What the f*** was Pujara thinking?

[jalebi_bhai]

First and foremost, congrats to India on taking this to day 5. Thought we'd be done and dusted by end of day 4 but the boys have hung in there. So credit for showing resilience

 

Now someone please tell me, what in the blue hell was Pujara thinking? 

 

 

I can understand the IPL boys messing up like this....but Sus-sexy Pujara? 

[kosingh]

 

 

[zen]

If you look at the Brisbane Test, Pujara took his time to ensure that first India got into a position from which it could not lose, and then opened up, allowing guys like Pant (who was dropped) to play their natural game when the ball was relatively older. 
 

Here, if we look at Indian batting, almost everyone is going for shots (even in the last WTC final, India needed to draw the game but players went with shots). I won’t be surprised if the batsmen are under the “instruction” to look for boundaries to go for the win (when even not losing can give India the title). 
 

 

[jalebi_bhai]

10 minutes ago, zen said:

If you look at the Brisbane Test, Pujara took his time to ensure that first India got into a position from which it could not lose, and then opened up, allowing guys like Pant (who was dropped) to play their natural game when the ball was relatively older. 
 

Here, if we look at Indian batting, almost everyone is going for shots (even in the last WTC final, India needed to draw the game but players went with shots). I won’t be surprised if the batsmen are under the “instruction” to look for boundaries to go for the win (when even not losing can give India the title). 
 

 

It was nothing but a bluechip brainfart. Forget the shot, the situation itself didn't warrant it.

[jalebi_bhai]

Rohit and Pujara gift wrapped their wickets. Now Kohli and Rahane have miniscule margin for error.

 

Rohit's brainfart I can still rationalize, but Pujara's was absolutely egregious.

[zen]

13 minutes ago, jalebi_bhai said:

 Forget the shot, the situation itself didn't warrant it.

 

As I said, that is how all (or most of) the batsmen are playing so it looks like they are under the instructions. 

 

In Brisbane, Pujara waited to ensure that India was first in a situation where it would be difficult for it to lose. 

 

Tomorrow too, don't be surprised if wickers are lost in a similar fashion. 

[BacktoCricaddict]

He was backing himself, as the cliche goes.

[vvvslaxman]

Starc  41 runs

 

Pujara 14+27 = 41 runs

 

lol  Talk about getting outbatted

[Vijy]

9 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Starc  41 runs

 

Pujara 14+27 = 41 runs

 

lol  Talk about getting outbatted

Gill: 31 runs across 2 innings. vada pav also did badly

Edited June 10, 2023 by Vijy

[zen]

Just now, Vijy said:

Gill: 31 runs across 2 innings. vada pav also did badly

 

For teams like Ind, the top order can usually struggle in places like Eng.  The noobs here think that if #8 scored more runs, he can do the same batting in the top order (#1-3) where batsmen are facing the new ball or relatively new ball, opening session or last session conditions, relatively fresh bowlers, etc. 

 

In the last few years, Pujara is one of the top 2 best-performing top order batsmen in Eng 

[Vijy]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

 

For teams like Ind, the top order can usually struggle in places like Eng.  The noobs here think that if #8 scored more runs, he can do the same batting in the top order (#1-3) where batsmen are facing the new ball or relatively new ball, opening session or last session conditions, relatively fresh bowlers, etc. 

 

In the last few years, Pujara is one of the top 2 best-performing top order batsmen in Eng 

I just want to clarify, for the record, that I do think that Chepu's time is over. this is a point where we can agree to disagree.

 

now, moving on, I would agree it's silly to equate runs scored at low pressure down the order with top order runs. let's look at it this way - shami's batting avg so far in the test is 13, that of Gill is 15. therefore, would the posters agree that shami is nearly as good a bat as Gill is?

[zen]

Just now, Vijy said:

I just want to clarify, for the record, that I do think that Chepu's time is over. this is a point where we can agree to disagree.

 

now, moving on, I would agree it's silly to equate runs scored at low pressure down the order with top order runs. let's look at it this way - shami's batting avg so far in the test is 13, that of Gill is 15. therefore, would the posters agree that shami is nearly as good a bat as Gill is?

 

The noobs here would probably say that open with Shami, he will score as many runs and you get an extra bowler as well (They use similar arguments for Jadeja, Ashwin, etc. too)  

 

The irony of ICF is that most post here believing that they know more than average fans but 90-95% of them can be almost clueless 

[Vijy]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

 

The noobs here would probably say that open with Shami, he will score as many runs and you get an extra bowler as well (They use similar arguments for Jadeja, Ashwin, etc. too)  

 

The irony of ICF is that most post here believing that they know more than average fans but 90-95% of them can be almost clueless 

their logic is to select 7-8 bowlers because some of them bat better than current top order.

 

let's have 3 "pure" bowlers + shardul/ashwin/jaddu/axar/sundar = 8 bowlers

Edited June 10, 2023 by Vijy

[zen]

1 minute ago, Vijy said:

their logic is to select 7-8 bowlers because they bat better than current top order.

 

let's have 3 "pure" bowlers + shardul/ashwin/jaddu/axar/sundar = 8 bowlers

 

Eventually, their preferred 11 will have 10 bowlers + 1 wk 

 

[BacktoCricaddict]

Nightwatchman openers? Nice concept.  Can save RGS, VK etc for when the ball is not jagging around. ;)

14 minutes ago, zen said:

 

The noobs here would probably say that open with Shami, he will score as many runs and you get an extra bowler as well (They use similar arguments for Jadeja, Ashwin, etc. too)  

 

The irony of ICF is that most post here believing that they know more than average fans but 90-95% of them can be almost clueless 

Nightwatchman openers? Nice concept.  Can save RGS, VK etc for when the ball is not jagging around. ;)

[vvvslaxman]

26 minutes ago, Vijy said:

Gill: 31 runs across 2 innings. vada pav also did badly

 

Pujara "eggsperienced" english condition specialist lol Averaging 19 in 8 innings at the oval. That is a sizable sample. This is to take a dig at this stupid logic of  "Moeen ali outbowling Ashwin" lol  Moeen's career average 36. In India 48.  

[Vijy]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

Pujara "eggsperienced" english condition specialist lol Averaging 19 in 8 innings at the oval. That is a sizable sample. This is to take a dig at this stupid logic of  "Moeen ali outbowling Ashwin" lol  Moeen's career average 36. In India 48.  

moeen is a better spinner for Eng conditions that he knows well. it is not unreasonable to claim that.

 

doesn't mean he is better than ashwin in all conditions

[zen]

5 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Nightwatchman openers? Nice concept.  Can save RGS, VK etc for when the ball is not jagging around. ;)

 

Those needing saving would likely be in early anyways! (PS and the team could lose out on some lower order runs)  

Edited June 10, 2023 by zen

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Vijy said:

moeen is a better spinner for Eng conditions that he knows well. it is not unreasonable to claim that.

 

doesn't mean he is better than ashwin in all conditions

 

Moeen Ali averages 47 against Australia at home 50 against New zealand.  72 against Srilanka 47 against Pakistan. So it is the problem of India rather Moeen being a better bowler

[zen]

41 minutes ago, Vijy said:

moeen is a better spinner for Eng conditions that he knows well. it is not unreasonable to claim that.

 

doesn't mean he is better than ashwin in all conditions

 

Yeah, Moeen was MoM v India at Rose Bowl where Ashwin couldn't do much despite bowling tons of overs - Link  

 

Ashwin is in fact among the least successful Ind spinner in SENA:

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
EAS Prasanna	1967-1978	20	34	5771	2336	78	8/76	11/140	29.94	2.42	73.9	5	1
BS Bedi	1967-1979	25	42	7076	2789	90	6/127	10/194	30.98	2.36	78.6	5	1
BS Chandrasekhar	1967-1979	19	32	4994	2225	71	6/38	12/104	31.33	2.67	70.3	6	1
RJ Shastri	1981-1992	21	36	4340	1628	47	5/125	8/179	34.63	2.25	92.3	1	0
A Kumble	1990-2008	35	67	11317	5224	141	8/141	12/279	37.04	2.76	80.2	5	1
RA Jadeja	2013-2022	18	31	4017	1777	47	6/138	7/258	37.80	2.65	85.4	1	0
Harbhajan Singh	1998-2011	19	34	4796	2476	62	7/120	7/102	39.93	3.09	77.3	3	0
R Ashwin	2011-2022	23	40	5685	2709	66	4/55	7/121	41.04	2.85	86.1	0	0

 

Edited June 10, 2023 by zen