Elections 23-24 NDA vs I.N.D.I.A (updated) -Poll Added

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, diga said:

I'm sure you have been long enough on this forum to understand the modus operandi... Anything BJP or Modi does gets more traction from the usual suspects and no wonder most of them are Abrahamics or Anarchists 

Except Pakistanis...  They don't matter when it comes to Modi or BJP. 

Indian abrahamics should be open if they dislike Modi or BJP.  Even Sikhs don't like BJP & prefer their tormentors Congress over them. 

Every one has their own take on Indian politics.  This is what happens when Country is so divided by so many factors. 

Modi & BJP are not India...  And should be opposed or supported by personal choice.  They are public servants not our overlords at the end of the day. 

You can oppose a individual or a party as long as it its not harmful to your own country. 

Never make political leaders cult figures...  A lesson we should have learnt long time ago. 

[diga]

35 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Except Pakistanis...  They don't matter when it comes to Modi or BJP. 

Indian abrahamics should be open if they dislike Modi or BJP.  Even Sikhs don't like BJP & prefer their tormentors Congress over them. 

Every one has their own take on Indian politics.  This is what happens when Country is so divided by so many factors. 

Modi & BJP are not India...  And should be opposed or supported by personal choice.  They are public servants not our overlords at the end of the day. 

You can oppose a individual or a party as long as it its not harmful to your own country. 

Never make political leaders cult figures...  A lesson we should have learnt long time ago. 

See the thread on DMK nepo kid and judge for yourself .. 

 

[someone]

3 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

I have said multiple times in other threads that Hindu voters on which Modi is running on he isn't nearly doing anything special...  His target audience has now become lal dulari OBC community... Other bunch are taken for granted...  Any other leader BJP would be wiped in next election.  His brand is what makes BJP a force possible. 

 

RaGa is not running on these ideals...  He is questioning Modi on national issues & border issues.  Seeing him intimidated by XI Jinping in that sofa video shows his age & negotiating power are all on sudden decline & all subsequent events proved it. 

Closing your eyes doesn't makes things all rosy. 

 

Seriously flawed. He and his party signed MOU with them. They didn't build border roads because they were scared and intimated.

 

BJP is only doing what Congress failed to do. It's decades of old problems which BJP is resolving. Nothing new.

 

Hating Modi doesn't give him a clean chit, RaGa track record is pathetic, combined with full arrogance, and undemocratic

[Lone Wolf]

3 hours ago, diga said:

See the thread on DMK nepo kid and judge for yourself .. 

 

I honestly don't care what that guy has to say... He is playing usual Periyar politics. 

If he seriously believes Sanatana Dharma can be wiped out then he or anyone else should be in mental institution.  There is a reason he is saying all this in a safe space. 

Such people pose no threat to anyone.  They are bogus & phonies.  

[Lone Wolf]

47 minutes ago, someone said:

 

Seriously flawed. He and his party signed MOU with them. They didn't build border roads because they were scared and intimated.

 

BJP is only doing what Congress failed to do. It's decades of old problems which BJP is resolving. Nothing new.

 

Hating Modi doesn't give him a clean chit, RaGa track record is pathetic, combined with full arrogance, and undemocratic

That's what they want you to believe.  20 years down the lane...  People would be calling Modi all sorts of things once his border policy with Chinese is exposed.  That's how things roll in India.  That's what happened to Nehru as well.  Except Indira (67) & Rajiv (87) nobody has come closer to deter Chinese aggression  

Everything comes up after a certain time. 

Btw Chinese have still occupied Depsang Plains... And India isn't patrolling to Karakoram pass where Much maligned Gen HS Panag used to roll tanks. 

XI has declined peace talks on the face of Modi in BRICS who failed to bring him at negotiating table even at a request.  Signs of a poor old declining leader. 

Edited September 3, 2023 by Lone Wolf

[BlueBlood]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

That's what they want you to believe.  20 years down the lane...  People would be calling Modi all sorts of things once his border policy with Chinese is exposed.  That's how things roll in India.  That's what happened to Nehru as well.  Except Indira (67) & Rajiv (87) nobody has come closer to deter Chinese aggression  

Everything comes up after a certain time. 

Btw Chinese have still occupied Depsang Plains... And India isn't patrolling to Karakoram pass where Much maligned Gen HS Panag used to roll tanks. 

XI has declined peace talks on the face of Modi in BRICS who failed to bring him at negotiating table even at a request.  Signs of a poor old declining leader. 

 

The problem with the current BJP bots is that they are single issue voters.

 

They will support BJP to death just because to them it gives a "safe harbour for Hindus".

 

An 80% Hindu Majority country is afraid of safety is laughable but all we need to know about censorship and corporatism.

 

The reality is that Modi has massively failed against China. The mess was created when Modi joined BRICS to isolate the US and Nato.

 

This was after like a fool (probably Shah's idea) he blocked TikTok and made Chinese investments in PayTM etc. as a national security issue. Instead of actually making a real case against Chinese imports to India like OPPO, Huawei, Xiaomi etc. which would have really brought Xi to the table.

 

But if he did that, it would hurt Ambani, Adani and other corporates who rely on cheap products from China to grow their services and infrastructure empire.

 

This is what "bluster without purpose" means. Modi and Shah knew they cannot win against China in diplomacy so banning TikTok was easy to placate the Bots and corporate media.

 

Even after joining BRICS, China and Xi Jinping are not willing to make any concessions.

 

If India has to counter China - it needs US and Nato behind them. But that ship has long sailed with BRICS.

 

Xi Jinping has insane leverage with India now as he knows that by joining BRICS, India has effectively ceded the leadership of BRICS to China as they are the one who benefits the most from it with their Belt and Road initiative etc.

 

Anyway, discussing this level of depth with BJP bots is futile as they read and watch Twitter and YouTube shorts for 1 minute news to satisfy their beliefs.

 

This is the most frustrating part of the country today.

[ravishingravi]

32 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

 

The problem with the current BJP bots is that they are single issue voters.

 

They will support BJP to death just because to them it gives a "safe harbour for Hindus".

 

An 80% Hindu Majority country is afraid of safety is laughable but all we need to know about censorship and corporatism.

 

The reality is that Modi has massively failed against China. The mess was created when Modi joined BRICS to isolate the US and Nato.

 

This was after like a fool (probably Shah's idea) he blocked TikTok and made Chinese investments in PayTM etc. as a national security issue. Instead of actually making a real case against Chinese imports to India like OPPO, Huawei, Xiaomi etc. which would have really brought Xi to the table.

 

But if he did that, it would hurt Ambani, Adani and other corporates who rely on cheap products from China to grow their services and infrastructure empire.

 

This is what "bluster without purpose" means. Modi and Shah knew they cannot win against China in diplomacy so banning TikTok was easy to placate the Bots and corporate media.

 

Even after joining BRICS, China and Xi Jinping are not willing to make any concessions.

 

If India has to counter China - it needs US and Nato behind them. But that ship has long sailed with BRICS.

 

Xi Jinping has insane leverage with India now as he knows that by joining BRICS, India has effectively ceded the leadership of BRICS to China as they are the one who benefits the most from it with their Belt and Road initiative etc.

 

Anyway, discussing this level of depth with BJP bots is futile as they read and watch Twitter and YouTube shorts for 1 minute news to satisfy their beliefs.

 

This is the most frustrating part of the country today.

 

Would have been amazing to have some facts in this long post. 

[BlueBlood]

2 hours ago, ravishingravi said:

 

Would have been amazing to have some facts in this long post. 

 

What facts do you need other than Modi bowing down to Xi Jinping?

 

China openly changed the map to control Indian territory.

 

Since the Galwan Valley skirmish other than banning Chinese apps like TikTok what has Modi/Shah achieved?

 

To make matters worse went and joined BRICS to further align with China against the west just so India can get cheaper Russian Oil which directly benefits Reliance as they own the world's biggest oil refinery and to a smaller extent Indian Oil corporation.

 

All the bluster is always against Pak which is the size of UP and never a contender. When it came to real threat, ran away from the challenge.

 

Not a single Chinese import has been banned. Banning TikTok has zero impact to China. But banning Huawei or Xiami and other cell phone makers does But Modi/Shah know very well that if they go too aggressive against China they will retaliate in a big way.

 

India had lost access to 26 out of 65 Patrolling Points in eastern Ladakh since June 2020. Plus close to 2000 sq km near Galwan. If Pakistan did the same thing it would have turned to a war. But ceded so much land to China just because of corporations who own the current government didn't want one.

 

But anyway a BJP bot like you will never understand that. Geo politics needs leadership that requires long term vision not short term media censorship and planning

Edited September 4, 2023 by BlueBlood

[Lone Wolf]

8 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

The problem with the current BJP bots is that they are single issue voters.

 

They will support BJP to death just because to them it gives a "safe harbour for Hindus".

 

An 80% Hindu Majority country is afraid of safety is laughable but all we need to know about censorship and corporatism.

 

The reality is that Modi has massively failed against China. The mess was created when Modi joined BRICS to isolate the US and Nato.

 

This was after like a fool (probably Shah's idea) he blocked TikTok and made Chinese investments in PayTM etc. as a national security issue. Instead of actually making a real case against Chinese imports to India like OPPO, Huawei, Xiaomi etc. which would have really brought Xi to the table.

 

But if he did that, it would hurt Ambani, Adani and other corporates who rely on cheap products from China to grow their services and infrastructure empire.

 

This is what "bluster without purpose" means. Modi and Shah knew they cannot win against China in diplomacy so banning TikTok was easy to placate the Bots and corporate media.

 

Even after joining BRICS, China and Xi Jinping are not willing to make any concessions.

 

If India has to counter China - it needs US and Nato behind them. But that ship has long sailed with BRICS.

 

Xi Jinping has insane leverage with India now as he knows that by joining BRICS, India has effectively ceded the leadership of BRICS to China as they are the one who benefits the most from it with their Belt and Road initiative etc.

 

Anyway, discussing this level of depth with BJP bots is futile as they read and watch Twitter and YouTube shorts for 1 minute news to satisfy their beliefs.

 

This is the most frustrating part of the country today.

I knew he had leverage but the extent of his arrogance towards Modi showed all we need to see.

Strong man image is crucial for Domestic audience consumption but he got exposed brutally in BRICS.  He was the one who asked to negotiate but XI paid no heed as he knows he has all what he needs.  He acted like a bully & a top dog. 

Fan boys don't consider India as their first priority but a political party or a leader which is sad to see. 

These guys would worship Nehru in the 60's who had otherworldly fan following among Indians. 

You can't convince someone who has his eyes blinded deliberately. 

[gattaca]

5 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

What facts do you need other than Modi bowing down to Xi Jinping?

 

China openly changed the map to control Indian territory.

 

Since the Galwan Valley skirmish other than banning Chinese apps like TikTok what has Modi/Shah achieved?

 

To make matters worse went and joined BRICS to further align with China against the west just so India can get cheaper Russian Oil which directly benefits Reliance as they own the world's biggest oil refinery and to a smaller extent Indian Oil corporation.

 

All the bluster is always against Pak which is the size of UP and never a contender. When it came to real threat, ran away from the challenge.

 

Not a single Chinese import has been banned. Banning TikTok has zero impact to China. But banning Huawei or Xiami and other cell phone makers does But Modi/Shah know very well that if they go too aggressive against China they will retaliate in a big way.

 

India had lost access to 26 out of 65 Patrolling Points in eastern Ladakh since June 2020. Plus close to 2000 sq km near Galwan. If Pakistan did the same thing it would have turned to a war. But ceded so much land to China just because of corporations who own the current government didn't want one.

 

But anyway a BJP bot like you will never understand that. Geo politics needs leadership that requires long term vision not short term media censorship and planning

Lol US has bigger axe to grind against china even they couldn’t ban TikTok. World is dependent on supply chain in china. USA has kickstarted the migration of these supply chains to other countries. If you stop imports from china it will hurt india as well. Indian govt banned laptops and computers imports. The banning is a slow process you need to have alternatives before a blanket ban. Importing Russia oil doesn’t mean India is joining hands with china. While you are in US and enjoying cheaper oil prices the common of India will suffer without cheap Russian oil. India also still sees Russia as an important partner.

Edited September 4, 2023 by gattaca

[Lone Wolf]

5 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

What facts do you need other than Modi bowing down to Xi Jinping?

 

China openly changed the map to control Indian territory.

 

Since the Galwan Valley skirmish other than banning Chinese apps like TikTok what has Modi/Shah achieved?

 

To make matters worse went and joined BRICS to further align with China against the west just so India can get cheaper Russian Oil which directly benefits Reliance as they own the world's biggest oil refinery and to a smaller extent Indian Oil corporation.

 

All the bluster is always against Pak which is the size of UP and never a contender. When it came to real threat, ran away from the challenge.

 

Not a single Chinese import has been banned. Banning TikTok has zero impact to China. But banning Huawei or Xiami and other cell phone makers does But Modi/Shah know very well that if they go too aggressive against China they will retaliate in a big way.

 

India had lost access to 26 out of 65 Patrolling Points in eastern Ladakh since June 2020. Plus close to 2000 sq km near Galwan. If Pakistan did the same thing it would have turned to a war. But ceded so much land to China just because of corporations who own the current government didn't want one.

 

But anyway a BJP bot like you will never understand that. Geo politics needs leadership that requires long term vision not short term media censorship and planning

Official stand is China has refused to budge at all from Depsang Plains since 2020...  It is a large stretch of land in Sub sector North (SSN)  which enabled us access to Karakoram pass &,  Xinjiang. 

Multiple round of talks have failed. 

Now latest is they have set up posts in Demchok (SE Ladakh) including bringing locals. 

 

Pangong TSO which was widely reported is that buffer zones have been set up on Indian side...  Imagine losing or setting up buffer zones on your own portion.  Successful salami slicing. 

[ravishingravi]

Rahul, the dynamic and young warrior for Hindus has spoken. Through his minion. 

 

https://twitter.com/IndiaSpeaksPR/status/1698599950676787434?t=V7YrqkwKP2HHB3wn1-0MYQ&s=19

 

 

 

 

[Lone Wolf]

3 hours ago, ravishingravi said:

Rahul, the dynamic and young warrior for Hindus has spoken. Through his minion. 

 

https://twitter.com/IndiaSpeaksPR/status/1698599950676787434?t=V7YrqkwKP2HHB3wn1-0MYQ&s=19

 

 

 

 

Meanwhile Congress leader Dr Karan Singh has openly condemned the statement....  Push your agenda elsewhere.  Keep defending PeeJeP

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.india.com/news/most-unfortunate-congress-leader-karan-singh-objects-to-udhayanidhi-stalins-sanatan-dharma-statement-6289020/amp/

 

[BlueBlood]

6 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Official stand is China has refused to budge at all from Depsang Plains since 2020...  It is a large stretch of land in Sub sector North (SSN)  which enabled us access to Karakoram pass &,  Xinjiang. 

Multiple round of talks have failed. 

Now latest is they have set up posts in Demchok (SE Ladakh) including bringing locals. 

 

Pangong TSO which was widely reported is that buffer zones have been set up on Indian side...  Imagine losing or setting up buffer zones on your own portion.  Successful salami slicing. 

 

My biggest concern since past 10 years is not even the BJP bots like here who run away when facts are given to them and hide behind patriotism or saying Modi is better than RG.

 

The issue is, culturally people from Assam, Arunachal Pradesh, Sikkim etc. Have been marginalized and discriminated against as they have Chinese looking features. This has been the case with Nepali people too.

 

The problem with this behavior which current BJP and then later COVID made worse indirectly is if China takes over these regions and puts a referendum, these people may not have full loyalty to India as they have been consistently marginalized and discriminated. All China has to do is throw money and job promises to them.

 

If that happens you have another Kashmir where India will be battling in two different fronts.

 

I have met a few people from these North East regions and they are not happy with the constant racism they face from fellow Indians due to their look.

 

This isn't BJP'S fault entirely but they made it worse than it ever was after COVID. Not a single statement of unity or equality was ever made to bridge these people together and integrate them to society.

 

Edited September 4, 2023 by BlueBlood

[Lone Wolf]

24 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

 

My biggest concern since past 10 years is not even the BJP bots like here who run away when facts are given to them and hide behind patriotism or saying Modi is better than RG.

 

The issue is, culturally people from Assam, Arunachal Pradesh, Sikkim etc. Have been marginalized and discriminated against as they have Chinese looking features. This has been the case with Nepali people too.

 

The problem with this behavior which current BJP and then later COVID made worse indirectly is if China takes over these regions and puts a referendum, these people may not have full loyalty to India as they have been consistently marginalized and discriminated. All China has to do is throw money and job promises to them.

 

If that happens you have another Kashmir where India will be battling in two different fronts.

 

I have met a few people from these North East regions and they are not happy with the constant racism they face from fellow Indians due to their look.

 

This isn't BJP'S fault entirely but they made it worse than it ever was after COVID. Not a single statement of unity or equality was ever made to bridge these people together and integrate them to society.

 

I don't think locals would opt under a Chinese regime... They very well know what's happening with Tibetans.  Most of them are Buddhists in Sikkim or Tawang the contentious areas.  They are more patriotic than random people saying it is Nehru's fault.  In future People will say it was Modi's fault. 

 

Racism is a different matter.  Indians are inherently racist.  And When you visit East Asia or in Japan Korea..  You will see what is actual racism towards South Asians... 

 

[gattaca]

4 hours ago, ravishingravi said:

Rahul, the dynamic and young warrior for Hindus has spoken. Through his minion. 

 

https://twitter.com/IndiaSpeaksPR/status/1698599950676787434?t=V7YrqkwKP2HHB3wn1-0MYQ&s=19

 

 

 

 

At least this is good. We clearly understand what congress thinks of Hinduism as a disease. He is the leader of opposition. No matter who are you shouldn’t call a religion a disease. Does that mean he would call other religions as disease ? Will he alive if he calls a particular minority community that ? 

[gattaca]

1 hour ago, BlueBlood said:

 

My biggest concern since past 10 years is not even the BJP bots like here who run away when facts are given to them and hide behind patriotism or saying Modi is better than RG.

 

The issue is, culturally people from Assam, Arunachal Pradesh, Sikkim etc. Have been marginalized and discriminated against as they have Chinese looking features. This has been the case with Nepali people too.

 

The problem with this behavior which current BJP and then later COVID made worse indirectly is if China takes over these regions and puts a referendum, these people may not have full loyalty to India as they have been consistently marginalized and discriminated. All China has to do is throw money and job promises to them.

 

If that happens you have another Kashmir where India will be battling in two different fronts.

 

I have met a few people from these North East regions and they are not happy with the constant racism they face from fellow Indians due to their look.

 

This isn't BJP'S fault entirely but they made it worse than it ever was after COVID. Not a single statement of unity or equality was ever made to bridge these people together and integrate them to society.

 

Lol. Congress neglected north east completely. BJP is building roads and infrastructure in north east India, Ladakh and Kashmir. Kashmir highway would get blocked and they are building tunnels now which will reduce travel time. India is in a tough spot because of infrastructure in north east India which was neglected by congress. BJP has ministers from Ladakh and north east India. How are they discriminated by BJP ? People have discriminated but there are enough movies made to not call them Chinese. It’s people who need to understand that.

Edited September 4, 2023 by gattaca

[Lone Wolf]

5 minutes ago, gattaca said:

Lol. Congress neglected north east completely. BJP is building roads and infrastructure in north east India, Ladakh and Kashmir. Kashmir highway would get blocked and they building tunnels now which will reduce travel time. India is in a tough spot because of infrastructure in north east India which was neglected by congress. BJP has ministers from Ladakh and north east India. How are they discriminated by BJP ? People have discriminated but there are enough movie made to not call them Chinese. It’s people who need to understand that.

It's ten years nearly into BJP govt..  Obviously nations move forward not backward...  Many projects in JK & Ladakh were planned during MMS regime. 

India under Congress maintained highest military presence in North East...  Arunachal or NEFA is so well defended since multiple regiments Placed there since decades ever since special operations in 1987 that shocked Chinese & Deng Xiaoping.  Your tinted glasses don't change facts. 

Edited September 4, 2023 by Lone Wolf

[coffee_rules]

13 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

It's ten years nearly into BJP govt..  Obviously nations move forward not backward...  Many projects in JK & Ladakh were planned during MMS regime. 

India under Congress maintained highest military presence in North East...  Arunachal or NEFA is so well defended since multiple regiments Placed there since decades ever since special operations in 1987 that shocked Chinese & Deng Xiaoping.  Your tinted glasses don't change facts. 

One this true, BJP is finally finishing a lot of projects that were only planned under UPA but never worked on implementing. So many highways were planned in 80s. , 90s and were allotted funds too. 

[coffee_rules]

15 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

It's ten years nearly into BJP govt..  Obviously nations move forward not backward...  Many projects in JK & Ladakh were planned during MMS regime. 

India under Congress maintained highest military presence in North East...  Arunachal or NEFA is so well defended since multiple regiments Placed there since decades ever since special operations in 1987 that shocked Chinese & Deng Xiaoping.  Your tinted glasses don't change facts. 

So much presence that China usurped 20 kms of our border n 2013. AK Anthony  admitted in parliament that China was years ahead of India in border infrastructure. 
 

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/defence-minister-rajnath-singh-to-inaugurate-bridge-in-ladakh-to-facilitate-movement-of-troops-to-lac

 

This coincides with the MoU singed by Congress party with CCP!

 

https://x.com/adityarajkaul/status/1273875289748234246?s=46

 

The current standoff is directly a result of India developing border infrastructure while PLA expected India to meekly surrender land and strategic interests like in 2013 Depsang standoff