When will a Indian Team management understand the value of a Fast Bowler?

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Years and years have passed yet no Indian team management have understood the value of having and using a fast bowler.
 

We have seen how over the years teams have used express fast bowlers as heavy artillery to blast batsman out.
 

The latest example is Mark Wood.
 

While Indian team management believes that taking the likes of Unadkat or Mukesh Kumar who are basically military medium seam bowlers, the likes of whom are plenty in county cricket, will serve their purpose.

 

Unlike two decades back, when India didn't have 90mph plus bowlers, we have a number of bowlers now who can bowl in late 140s and 150s, yet the mentality remains defensive and  defeatist.

 

They simply have no idea how to use express bowlers and hence young quicks wait while 30-32 year old dibbly doblers keep getting chances.

 

The only instance where a Indian bowler literally blasted the batsman, was Bumrah in England, where he took out Pope and Bairstow. It took Root and his immense ability to survive the spell.

 

How long before the team management realizes that in today's world, where batsman are in the attacking mode, you need heavy fire power to win.

[Majestic]

Injuries are one of the concerns behind that. 

[wazza]

1 hour ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

Years and years have passed yet no Indian team management have understood the value of having and using a fast bowler.
 

We have seen how over the years teams have used express fast bowlers as heavy artillery to blast batsman out.
 

The latest example is Mark Wood.
 

While Indian team management believes that taking the likes of Unadkat or Mukesh Kumar who are basically military medium seam bowlers, the likes of whom are plenty in county cricket, will serve their purpose.

 

Unlike two decades back, when India didn't have 90mph plus bowlers, we have a number of bowlers now who can bowl in late 140s and 150s, yet the mentality remains defensive and  defeatist.

 

They simply have no idea how to use express bowlers and hence young quicks wait while 30-32 year old dibbly doblers keep getting chances.

 

The only instance where a Indian bowler literally blasted the batsman, was Bumrah in England, where he took out Pope and Bairstow. It took Root and his immense ability to survive the spell.

 

How long before the team management realizes that in today's world, where batsman are in the attacking mode, you need heavy fire power to win.

It's not about pace. It's about bounce too. More so bounce. 

 

Players don't have to die playing in ranji to get a call up. One half season is more than sufficient. We have A tours too. 

 

Prasidh - injured however

Umran

Sen

Harshit

Keverappa

Tyagi - injured

 

Etc all these bowlers should be selected. All can touch 140 plus. And have bounce. Some have natural bounce. Some can use it as a surprise weapon.

 

Imagine tail facing umran. They would get blasted out. 

 

145 plus for number 7 to 10 batsmen will not bode well. 

 

Bumrah is way too good vs tail. Something we badly miss due to his injury. 

 

It's the number 4-6 batsmen that we need to make sure we remove. That's where bounce based bowlers cane into play. 

 

[Lord]

Wood debuted at 26

 

All pacers we have now are young and inexperience and are going through grooming process. They need to be selected for A tours etc.

 

Also they need to work on fitness. No captain likes players who get injured often

[wazza]

18 minutes ago, Lord said:

Wood debuted at 26

 

All pacers we have now are young and inexperience and are going through grooming process. They need to be selected for A tours etc.

 

Also they need to work on fitness. No captain likes players who get injured often

Harshit is ready man.

Sen is ready

Prasidh will come back soon. 

Keverappa

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, wazza said:

Harshit is ready man.

Sen is ready

Prasidh will come back soon. 

Keverappa

 

How is he ready playing less than 10 FC games? I understand the excitement to blood him in, but if he fails, same guys will bash him. And its very likely. At best he can be used for home games.

 

Sen should have been there in WI.Though he too has injury issues.

 

Prasidh should be groomed for SA tour once he's fit.

 

Kaverappa isn't quick. Tall inswing bowler.

[wazza]

37 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

How is he ready playing less than 10 FC games? I understand the excitement to blood him in, but if he fails, same guys will bash him. And its very likely. At best he can be used for home games.

 

Sen should have been there in WI.Though he too has injury issues.

 

Prasidh should be groomed for SA tour once he's fit.

 

Kaverappa isn't quick. Tall inswing bowler.

Kevarrappa gets natural bounce. He can be deadly. 

 

Harshit should be unleashed. No need to wait. Pacers have a short life span. 23 is fine. So what if he fails. He will learn. We csnt just discard him off. You don't need to toil hard in ranji to be selected. Wasting potential by doing that as in sena pitches, the conditions are more fast bowler friendly. 

 

Sena pacers would struggle to survive in ranji given the conditions. So performances in ranji shouldn't be used as a main metric for selection. 

 

Look for skills. See if the bowler can generate bounce. Does he have pace. Is he aggressive. Does he have stamina.

 

Harshit is more than ready. 

 

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, Lord said:

 

How is he ready playing less than 10 FC games? I understand the excitement to blood him in, but if he fails, same guys will bash him. And its very likely. At best he can be used for home games.

 

Sen should have been there in WI.Though he too has injury issues.

 

Prasidh should be groomed for SA tour once he's fit.

 

Kaverappa isn't quick. Tall inswing bowler.

Anyone can bash these days on SM, but any seasoned cricket fan will understand there are ups and downs, a talented talented cricketer will learn from his bad days and improve (Siraj, Bumrah are prime examples). 

 

Tyagi was super expensive in IPL, but still I am ready to back him because he has much higher potential than Mukesh or Unadkut or any other run of mill trundler. Quicks sometimes need a bit of time to understand what their strengths are, and when they do it's just a matter of executing it consistently.

 

Our pace attack is ageing and we need quick replacements, Unadkut, Thakur and Mukesh are not the answer. Harshit, Tyagi, Sen, Prasidh are.

Edited July 8, 2023 by singhvivek141

[rkt.india]

3 hours ago, wazza said:

It's not about pace. It's about bounce too. More so bounce. 

 

Players don't have to die playing in ranji to get a call up. One half season is more than sufficient. We have A tours too. 

 

Prasidh - injured however

Umran

Sen

Harshit

Keverappa

Tyagi - injured

 

Etc all these bowlers should be selected. All can touch 140 plus. And have bounce. Some have natural bounce. Some can use it as a surprise weapon.

 

Imagine tail facing umran. They would get blasted out. 

 

145 plus for number 7 to 10 batsmen will not bode well. 

 

Bumrah is way too good vs tail. Something we badly miss due to his injury. 

 

It's the number 4-6 batsmen that we need to make sure we remove. That's where bounce based bowlers cane into play. 

 

Tyagi is not injured

[rkt.india]

3 hours ago, Lord said:

 

How is he ready playing less than 10 FC games? I understand the excitement to blood him in, but if he fails, same guys will bash him. And its very likely. At best he can be used for home games.

 

Sen should have been there in WI.Though he too has injury issues.

 

Prasidh should be groomed for SA tour once he's fit.

 

Kaverappa isn't quick. Tall inswing bowler.

Fast bowlers will never be ready by just playing domestic. They learn at the top level.

[Lord]

50 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Anyone can bash these days on SM, but any seasoned cricket fan will understand there are ups and downs, a talented talented cricketer will learn from his bad days and improve (Siraj, Bumrah are prime examples). 

 

Tyagi was super expensive in IPL, but still I am ready to back him because he has much higher potential than Mukesh or Unadkut or any other run of mill trundler. Quicks sometimes need a bit of time to understand what their strengths are, and when they do it's just a matter of executing it consistently.

 

Our pace attack is ageing and we need quick replacements, Unadkut, Thakur and Mukesh are not the answer. Harshit, Tyagi, Sen, Prasidh are.

 

its not about fans but the guy himself handling those ups and downs. Might lose his place too.

 

They need some basic exposure to learn about their strengths and weaknesses, how to bowl in different situations etc.

[Lord]

6 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Fast bowlers will never be ready by just playing domestic. They learn at the top level.

 

nah Bumrah,Shami were good from start in Tests. They didn't need to learn too much.

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

 

nah Bumrah,Shami were good from start in Tests. They didn't need to learn too much.

Some bowlers like Umesh have never learnt anything even after playing more than decade.

[putrevus]

People are going gaga over Mark Wood, he is 33 and he has played 28 tests.

 

India always had 135-140 kind of bowlers.That is what we have right now. Who are those bowlers other than Umran who can bowl over 145 consistently.

 

 

Indian TM understands the importance of  fast bowlers but they did not have anyone as skillfull as Bumrah in all formats  so he was playing all formats, yet he was given ample breaks.

 

People are under some illusion that there are number of express bowlers who have been left out or mismanaged.

 

A guy like Prasidh Krishna was huffing and puffing in an ODI was bowling in 130s in odis. and has played 11 FC in 8 years.He is not express by any means.

 

Coaching might have been a problem after Arun left the team.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 8, 2023 by putrevus

[singhvivek141]

44 minutes ago, putrevus said:

People are going gaga over Mark Wood, he is 33 and he has played 28 tests.

 

India always had 135-140 kind of bowlers.That is what we have right now. Who are those bowlers other than Umran who can bowl over 145 consistently.

 

 

Indian TM understands the importance of  fast bowlers but they did not have anyone as skillfull as Bumrah in all formats  so he was playing all formats, yet he was given ample breaks.

 

People are under some illusion that there are number of express bowlers who have been left out or mismanaged.

 

A guy like Prasidh Krishna was huffing and puffing in an ODI was bowling in 130s in odis. and has played 11 FC in 8 years.He is not express by any means.

 

Coaching might have been a problem after Arun left the team.

 

 

 

 

Tyagi is a genuine express bowler now. He consistently clock 145+ and even breached 150+ many times.

Sen and Harshit are slower than Tyagi but are faster than Bumrah and Siraj.

Mayank Yadav also looks as quick S Harshit but have to see him on the speedometer.

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, singhvivek141 said:

Tyagi is a genuine express bowler now. He consistently clock 145+ and even breached 150+ many times.

Sen and Harshit are slower than Tyagi but are faster than Bumrah and Siraj.

Mayank Yadav also looks as quick S Harshit but have to see him on the speedometer.

I would not call Tyagi an express bowler. He is fast medium. Tyagi is very talented, I sincerely hope he is not lost as he has all the tools  but he will not blow away anyone with his pace.

 

 

[Lord]

5 hours ago, wazza said:

Kevarrappa gets natural bounce. He can be deadly. 

 

Harshit should be unleashed. No need to wait. Pacers have a short life span. 23 is fine. So what if he fails. He will learn. We csnt just discard him off. You don't need to toil hard in ranji to be selected. Wasting potential by doing that as in sena pitches, the conditions are more fast bowler friendly. 

 

Sena pacers would struggle to survive in ranji given the conditions. So performances in ranji shouldn't be used as a main metric for selection. 

 

Look for skills. See if the bowler can generate bounce. Does he have pace. Is he aggressive. Does he have stamina.

 

Harshit is more than ready. 

 

 

Looks a floaty inswing bowler here

 

 

[wazza]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

People are going gaga over Mark Wood, he is 33 and he has played 28 tests.

 

India always had 135-140 kind of bowlers.That is what we have right now. Who are those bowlers other than Umran who can bowl over 145 consistently.

 

 

Indian TM understands the importance of  fast bowlers but they did not have anyone as skillfull as Bumrah in all formats  so he was playing all formats, yet he was given ample breaks.

 

People are under some illusion that there are number of express bowlers who have been left out or mismanaged.

 

A guy like Prasidh Krishna was huffing and puffing in an ODI was bowling in 130s in odis. and has played 11 FC in 8 years.He is not express by any means.

 

Coaching might have been a problem after Arun left the team.

 

 

 

 

Lot of good bowlers are available. Need chances. That's it. 

[putrevus]

4 minutes ago, wazza said:

Lot of good bowlers are available. Need chances. That's it. 

I don't think so.

[wazza]

5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I don't think so.

I think so.

Prasidh

Sen

Tyagi

Umran

Mayank yadav

Harshit rana

 

There is plenty of talent. They just need chances. We don't need to wait till they play 50 games in ranji to debut. 

 

Dhami and bumrah debuted when they just had around 20 games experience.