The 4 basic qualities needed to be a top pacer .... and tracking Indian pacers who have them now

[rkt.india]

Both Kuldeep Sen and Yash Dayal are in bangluru for Asia cup camp

[Nikhil_cric]

Umran will leak runs like a broken tap. Express pace is useless with his poor control of line.  That said, youngsters missing this CWC are lucky. They won't get blamed for the thrashing that we are going to get. 

 

I really hope we don't even make the semis and get smashed thrice by Pakistan in the Asia Cup as well. Only if fans stop caring might the BCCI be forced into action.

[the don]

Yash dyal im the camp to prepare for Shaheen?

[singhvivek141]

3 hours ago, the don said:

Yash dyal im the camp to prepare for Shaheen?

Possibly..but Yash don't bring the ball in to the right handers by much.

 

Mukesh Choudhary swing in big and he's faster than Yash, but I guess he is still injured.

[singhvivek141]

5 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Umran will leak runs like a broken tap. Express pace is useless with his poor control of line.  That said, youngsters missing this CWC are lucky. They won't get blamed for the thrashing that we are going to get. 

 

I really hope we don't even make the semis and get smashed thrice by Pakistan in the Asia Cup as well. Only if fans stop caring might the BCCI be forced into action.

Umran has a fairly good control of his line, his problem is length as he is advised to stay on the shorter side and bowl like an enforcer..which doesn't come naturally to him as he is not very tall.

 

He should be advised to bowl good length so that his deliveries end at the stumps. He doesn't get much movement so his maximum chances to get wickets are through LBW and bowled. 

[Need4Speed]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

Possibly..but Yash don't bring the ball in to the right handers by much.

 

Mukesh Choudhary swing in big and he's faster than Yash, but I guess he is still injured.

Why cant bcci bring in any SENA domestic bowlers for practice for short contracts…they hv all the money

[express bowling]

Prasidh Krishna regularly hitting 144k to 146 k today.

 

While bowling in good areas, generating steep bounce and moving the ball.  

 

Saw both outswing and seam movement both ways. 

 

All 4 boxes ticked. 

[figo6762]

The concept of hurry is relative , I would think … the relative sense of motion is what makes batsman not to react … so change in pace with shuttle change in action can expressed as hurry up factor .. I don’t think it is the absolute max speed .. which needs to in 140s for sure .. 

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, figo6762 said:

The concept of hurry is relative , I would think … the relative sense of motion is what makes batsman not to react … so change in pace with shuttle change in action can expressed as hurry up factor .. I don’t think it is the absolute max speed .. which needs to in 140s for sure .. 

 

If a pacer has to hurry batters consistently then he needs either high release speeds or zip off the deck and preferably both. 

 

A change in pace may deceive and hurry a batter occasionally or from time to time but not consistently. 

[express bowling]

IMHO India should focus on these 12 pacers for the present and near future. There are quick bowlers, bounce bowlers, swing bowlers, seam bowlers, bowling allrounders and left armers in this pool.

 

 

Playing for India ..

 

Bumrah .. high pace, bounce, seam, swing, accuracy, yorkers, 

Siraj .. pace, seam, swing, bounce

Prasidh .. pace, steep bounce, tall, seam, swing

 

Next in line .. 

 

Kartik Tyagi .. high pace, steep bounce, tall, seam, swing, yorkers 

Harshit Rana  .. high pace, steep bounce, tall, movement, can bat

Mayank Yadav .. high pace, steep bounce, tall, seam, accuracy 

Kuldeep Sen .. high pace, steep bounce, tall, movement, 

Umran .. really high pace, skid off the deck

 

After that ..

 

Hangargekar .. pace, bounce, seam, swing, can bat

Mohsin .. pace, steep bounce, tall, swing, seam, accuracy, left armer, can bat 

Simarjeet .. classic swing, pace, bounce

Mukesh Chaudhary ( not Kumar ) .. classic swing, skid off the deck, left armer

 

 

Tyagi's skillsets are closest to lead pacer Bumrah provided he gets his line right.

Edited September 17, 2023 by express bowling

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

IMHO India should focus on these 12 pacers for the present and near future. There are quick bowlers, bounce bowlers, swing bowlers, seam bowlers, bowling allrounders and left armers in this pool.

 

 

Playing for India ..

 

Bumrah .. high pace, bounce, seam, swing, accuracy, yorkers, 

Siraj .. pace, seam, bounce

Prasidh .. pace, steep bounce, tall, seam, swing

 

Next in line .. 

 

Kartik Tyagi .. high pace, steep bounce, tall, seam, swing, yorkers 

Harshit Rana  .. high pace, steep bounce, tall, movement, can bat

Mayank Yadav .. high pace, steep bounce, tall, seam, accuracy 

Kuldeep Sen .. high pace, steep bounce, tall, movement, 

Umran .. really high pace, skid of the deck

 

After that ..

 

Hangargekar .. pace, bounce, seam, swing, can bat

Mohsin .. pace, steep bounce, tall, swing, seam, accuracy, left armer, can bat 

Simarjeet .. classic swing, pace, bounce

Mukesh Chaudhary ( not Kumar ) .. classic swing, skid off the deck, left armer

 

 

Tyagi's skillsets are closest to lead pacer Bumrah provided he gets his line right.

Plus except Kuldeep Sen, Mukesh Choudhary & Simarjeet....rest all are under 25 years of age as well. So they are quite young and hence developing them early will help us create a formidable bowling attack for next 10-12 years

[express bowling]

4 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Plus except Kuldeep Sen, Mukesh Choudhary & Simarjeet....rest all are under 25 years of age as well. So they are quite young and hence developing them early will help us create a formidable bowling attack for next 10-12 years

 

Yes ..

 

Hangargekar  20

Harshit            21

Mayank           21

Tyagi               22

Umran             23

 

[Vijy]

On 9/16/2023 at 2:25 AM, express bowling said:

IMHO India should focus on these 12 pacers for the present and near future. There are quick bowlers, bounce bowlers, swing bowlers, seam bowlers, bowling allrounders and left armers in this pool.

 

 

Playing for India ..

 

Bumrah .. high pace, bounce, seam, swing, accuracy, yorkers, 

Siraj .. pace, seam, swing, bounce

Prasidh .. pace, steep bounce, tall, seam, swing

 

Next in line .. 

 

Kartik Tyagi .. high pace, steep bounce, tall, seam, swing, yorkers 

Harshit Rana  .. high pace, steep bounce, tall, movement, can bat

Mayank Yadav .. high pace, steep bounce, tall, seam, accuracy 

Kuldeep Sen .. high pace, steep bounce, tall, movement, 

Umran .. really high pace, skid off the deck

 

After that ..

 

Hangargekar .. pace, bounce, seam, swing, can bat

Mohsin .. pace, steep bounce, tall, swing, seam, accuracy, left armer, can bat 

Simarjeet .. classic swing, pace, bounce

Mukesh Chaudhary ( not Kumar ) .. classic swing, skid off the deck, left armer

 

 

Tyagi's skillsets are closest to lead pacer Bumrah provided he gets his line right.

one thing I would like is someone who can get big swing and still operate in the 135-137 kph range. maybe mukesh fits the bill, and also adds the left arm angle

[express bowling]

4 hours ago, Vijy said:

one thing I would like is someone who can get big swing and still operate in the 135-137 kph range. maybe mukesh fits the bill, and also adds the left arm angle

 

Please mention Mukesh Chaudhary  ( not Koomer )    : ) 

[MediumPacer]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

Please mention Mukesh Chaudhary  ( not Koomer )    : ) 

Chaudhary isn't much quicker than kumar.

[Vijy]

4 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Please mention Mukesh Chaudhary  ( not Koomer )    : ) 

yes, indeed, referring to choudhury here, not the coomer

[singhvivek141]

3 hours ago, MediumPacer said:

Chaudhary isn't much quicker than kumar.

Fastest pace of Mukesh C is around 144

For Mukesh K it's almost 138/139

 

Average pace of Mukesh C is around 136-137, Mukesh K is around 131-132.

Edited September 25, 2023 by singhvivek141

[Need4Speed]

How many times Mukesh C has got injured..if he is unfit most of the time..its not good..could have been a good option

[singhvivek141]

4 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

How many times Mukesh C has got injured..if he is unfit most of the time..its not good..could have been a good option

He was fit last year, played domestic tournaments as well.

This year he is injured, maybe in the upcoming domestic season we can see hin playing (unlike other quicks he doesn't post much on Insta to tough to know the status of his injury).

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

Fastest pace of Mukesh C is around 144

For Mukesh K it's almost 138/139

 

Average pace of Mukesh C is around 136-137, Mukesh K is around 131-132.

yes, and these 5 kph make a difference