Pakistan announced Squad for Asia Cup & Afg series

[Sgattick10]

On 8/16/2023 at 3:11 PM, Austin 3:!6 said:

@Norman @Lone Wolf you guys agree with this man to man comparison between 2 teams?

 

Rohit < Fakhar

Gill > Imam

Kohli < Babar

KL < Rizwan

Pandya > Shafique

SKY > Agha

Jadeja > Iftikhar

Kuldeep < Shadab

Shami < Naseem

Siraj < Rauf

Bumrah > Shaheen

Kohli is better then Babar. See their stats against each other 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

 

We are in transition stage. We may run into some shocking losses along the way.  They just have to hope Gill plays important matches on flat roads and he clicks.

Pallekelle is a flat pitch mostly...  Gill will struggle when tournament moves to RPS Colombo which is really slow like Chepauk. 

 

[Number]

If Shaheen, Naseem, Haris Rauf and Usama mir are going to be the 4 bowlers for Pakistan then I think ODI inexperience is going to be a major worry for them. 

Shaheen has played 36 ODIs, Haris 22, then Naseem 8 and Mir 6. 

Adapting to ODIs from T20s is not that easy as you have to bowl differently in different phases.

 

Edited August 18, 2023 by Number

[Norman]

On 8/9/2023 at 8:27 PM, Norman said:

 

It's always the case of 'grass is greener on the other side' when it comes to us. Isn't it? Yes... Pakistan have improved in the past year or so but it's still 60-40 in our favour all things considered. 

 

Their middle order is meh and their bowling apart from Shaheen and Rauf can be easily milked around in ODIs. Even their stronghold top 3 doesn't have the ability to be ruthless like Dhawan-Rohit-Kohli of the yesteryears. 

 

On 8/9/2023 at 9:08 PM, Norman said:

If Bumrah is anywhere near his pre-injury levels , him along with Siraj, Kuldeep and Shami/Axar can be a handful attack for the pak lineup. People here are treating them as if they're stacked from top to bottom with match winning batters like England or Australia.

 

On 8/9/2023 at 9:28 PM, Norman said:

That's a ridiculously flawed logic. 

 

Just because a team's performance curve is on the rise and another team's is going down, doesn't mean the former are better. It still comes down to the overall quality of the teams at a point of time. And I already said, Pakistan are improving, we have declined a bit and that's the reason for the 60-40 odds instead of 80-20 we had during the 2013-2019 phase.

 

On 8/9/2023 at 9:35 PM, Norman said:

A middle order of Rizwan/Iftikhar/Salman (?) followed by the bowling all rounders Shadab/Nawaz isn't really an encouraging prospect for poyzz if I'm being honest. 

 

And unlike T20s, Shadab and Nawaz are barely above average spinners in ODIs.

 

Two blaring weaknesses right there.

 

 

Haa bhai log... Is the paranoia finally over or is the "tHey aRe bEtTEr tHaN oUr oVeRrAtEd tEaM" non-sense still in your minds? 

 

 

Absolutely demolished them to smithereens and they couldn't even reach the final. Almsot every bit of what isaid in my above posts turned out to be true. 

[Norman]

On 8/14/2023 at 12:35 AM, Vijy said:

it's no joke. they are a top 3 team in LOIs in SC-like conditions (Eng and Aus are the other 2). Ind is not even in the top 5. massive thrashing for our team on the cards. I, for one, will enjoy seeing it

 

On 8/14/2023 at 12:36 AM, Vijy said:

the gap is huge. almost as much as the gap between ind and pak (in our favor) in other sports

 

  

 

[Norman]

On 8/15/2023 at 8:35 AM, Vijy said:

in other words, one mentally weak bowler (kuldeep) vs all of Pak XI. result is obvious, conclusion is foregone.

 

Fifer for the "mentally weak bowler" and the game was already over before he even picked his first... 

[Frustrated]

5 minutes ago, Norman said:

 

 

 

 

 

Haa bhai log... Is the paranoia finally over or is the "tHey aRe bEtTEr tHaN oUr oVeRrAtEd tEaM" non-sense still in your minds? 

 

 

Absolutely demolished them to smithereens and they couldn't even reach the final. Almsot every bit of what isaid in my above posts turned out to be true. 

I visited PeePee.   Poyzz fans still believe that they are much better than Ind and SL.   Only reason they could not make it to the final is coz their strike bowlers Naseem and Rauf got injured at the wrong time.   And regarding their 228 run thrashing by Ind, they are saying it is due to law of averages.  Same pace trio won't be successful in every game.  

[Norman]

On 8/16/2023 at 11:25 AM, Nikhil_cric said:

We are definitely the inferior side

 

On 8/16/2023 at 12:22 PM, Gollum said:

Man to man, Pak is definitely better

 

[Norman]

So much comedy on the first few pages on this thread. 

 

 

Indian fans are the most reactionary , self loathing, negatively delusonal and paranoid beings on this plane of existence. It's actually unreal....

[Gollum]

Just now, Norman said:

So much comedy on the first few pages on this thread. 

 

 

Indian fans are the most reactionary , self loathing, negatively delusonal and paranoid beings on this plane of existence. It's actually unreal....

Jinxing concept sune ho?

[Norman]

3 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

I visited PeePee.   Poyzz fans still believe that they are much better than Ind and SL.   Only reason they could not make it to the final is coz their strike bowlers Naseem and Rauf got injured at the wrong time.   And regarding their 228 run thrashing by Ind, they are saying it is due to law of averages.  Same pace trio won't be successful in every game.  

 

 

Yeah but that is expected from intellectually challenged folks from Mirpur/Britstan. No surprises really...

[Norman]

1 minute ago, Gollum said:

Jinxing concept sune ho?

 

Nah man... you can't hide behind that now 

 

[Gollum]

22 minutes ago, Norman said:

 

Nah man... you can't hide behind that now 

 

Yes I can, and I will 

[Nikhil_cric]

25 minutes ago, Norman said:

 

 

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. That pace trio, when fit, were one wicket away from getting into our tail 2 matches ago and nobody knew if Ishan and Pandya would perform or not.  Our extremely shallow, right hander dominant batting lineup were nearly finished till we got a middle order left hander to counter attack and rotate and they attacked the spinners well and then again after Ishan got dismissed, we choked our way to 266 when we should have been 290 odd. 

 

On a spinning pitch, Wellalage ran through that lineup again and this time Kishan couldn't do anything either.  

 

Bowling and catching were horrible against Nepal.

 

We had 1 great match against Pakistan and that's great. 

 

Before every ICC tournament, weaknesses keep getting masked and then get thoroughly exposed at the business end of tournaments. Mind you, nobody was rating KL coming into this tournament and he is increasingly looking like the most important batsman in that middle order.

 

 

[R!TTER]

We're playing the WC in India - we should back ourselves even if we play just 5 specialist bats! Although in that case I'd pack the lower order with the likes of Sundar, Jadeja, Sobers lite etc.

[Norman]

24 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. That pace trio, when fit, were one wicket away from getting into our tail 2 matches ago and nobody knew if Ishan and Pandya would perform or not.  Our extremely shallow, right hander dominant batting lineup were nearly finished till we got a middle order left hander to counter attack and rotate and they attacked the spinners well and then again after Ishan got dismissed, we choked our way to 266 when we should have been 290 odd. 

 

On a spinning pitch, Wellalage ran through that lineup again and this time Kishan couldn't do anything either.  

 

Bowling and catching were horrible against Nepal.

 

We had 1 great match against Pakistan and that's great. 

 

Before every ICC tournament, weaknesses keep getting masked and then get thoroughly exposed at the business end of tournaments. Mind you, nobody was rating KL coming into this tournament and he is increasingly looking like the most important batsman in that middle order.

 

 

 

 

Bhai I'm not saying we will win the World Cup or that we don't have any weaknesses or any other such extravagant statements. Just pointing out the absurdity in some of the arguments on this thread regarding the relative strength of our and Pakistani ODI sides.

 

Do you still believe they are a better overall side than us like you claimed on this thread? 

 

[deathmonger]

34 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. That pace trio, when fit, were one wicket away from getting into our tail 2 matches ago and nobody knew if Ishan and Pandya would perform or not.  Our extremely shallow, right hander dominant batting lineup were nearly finished till we got a middle order left hander to counter attack and rotate and they attacked the spinners well and then again after Ishan got dismissed, we choked our way to 266 when we should have been 290 odd. 

 

On a spinning pitch, Wellalage ran through that lineup again and this time Kishan couldn't do anything either.  

 

Bowling and catching were horrible against Nepal.

 

We had 1 great match against Pakistan and that's great. 

 

Before every ICC tournament, weaknesses keep getting masked and then get thoroughly exposed at the business end of tournaments. Mind you, nobody was rating KL coming into this tournament and he is increasingly looking like the most important batsman in that middle order.

 

 

Ifs and buts don't mean anything. Their pace trio was thumped around in the next match.

 

Only teams better than India are Australia and England.

[Austin 3:!6]

Must admit...brother @Norman was right all along

 

There is another Pakistani cricket forum where most banned Pak PP posters posts...you guys should have read the meltdown there. One guy even said he wish heavy storm comes in Colombo now and blow Bumrah out...he hates him so much

 

#TheyCantPlayHim

[R!TTER]

 

19 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

Only teams better than India are Australia and England.

No they're not, at least looking at some of the recent results at home for Eng (vs NZ) or Oz (vs SA) away. The biggest issue with India is that we choke in KO games & tbf to our chumps we also chase a lot in those games - chasing is harder in WC because of the obvious pressure, just take a look for the best chasers in KO games & you'll see no one does well there! The two players from best ODI side ever have been ordinary while chasing, only exceptions being Dean Jones & astonishingly Attapatu.

 

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0
DM Jones (AUS)	1984-1994	13	13	5	508	102*	63.50	676	75.14	1	4	1
MS Atapattu (SL)	1997-2006	13	13	2	529	132*	48.09	754	70.15	2	2	0
JH Kallis (SA)	1997-2011	16	16	4	541	97	45.08	835	64.79	0	4	0
SR Tendulkar (IND)	1991-2011	26	25	2	998	134	43.39	1153	86.55	2	7	3
RT Ponting (AUS)	1995-2009	22	21	5	659	111*	41.18	790	83.41	1	2	2
G Kirsten (SA)	1994-2002	16	16	3	530	118*	40.76	755	70.19	1	3	0
BC Lara (WI)	1993-2006	18	18	2	652	153	40.75	890	73.25	1	3	1
AC Gilchrist (AUS)	1998-2008	17	17	2	598	122	39.86	540	110.74	2	3	1
M Azharuddin (IND)	1985-1998	21	21	4	594	90*	34.94	736	80.70	0	4	3
PA de Silva (SL)	1986-2003	19	19	3	558	107*	34.87	708	78.81	2	2	1
ST Jayasuriya (SL)	1996-2009	20	20	1	571	82	30.05	500	114.20	0	4	4

 

 

 

 

Edited September 15, 2023 by R!TTER

[Nikhil_cric]

Just now, Norman said:

 

 

Bhai I'm not saying we will win the World Cup or that we don't have any weaknesses or any other such extravagant statements. Just pointing out the absurdity in some of the arguments on this thread regarding the relative strength of our and Pakistani ODI sides.

 

Do you still believe they are a better overall side than us like you claimed on this thread? 

 

Did you believe that Pakistan was a much superior T20 side when they thrashed us in 2021?  

 

I didn't think so, either. 

 

But they have rapidly improved since 2015/16.  

 

They were a rubbish white ball outfit. But they are constantly improving and I can't say the same about us.

 

They have closed the gap considerably and it was much more evident in T20's .  There was a time when we would go to a T20 World Cup and beat them blindfolded.

 

Last year, Kohli had to roll back the years and bat out of his skin to get us over the line.  

 

They are a better catching and fielding side than we are.  I think 2nd or 3rd in the world in terms of catch success percentage, India are only better than Netherlands. And that was before the Nepal match where we dropped 3 catches and Shardul could be trusted   to bowl only 4 overs.

 

Some of the catching under pressure yesterday was impressive. Their out cricket is, I daresay, on par or sometimes even better than ours. That never was the case in years gone by

 

They have had an absolute shocker of an Asia Cup but even now Abdullah came in and completely out batted Fakhar.

 

The gap is not enough to consistently beat them. If we they play their best cricket, India will find it very tough to beat them.