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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_World_Cup_2023#Rounds_5–8

 

 

 

1) Gukesh

2) Pragna

3) Arjun Erigaisi

4) Nihal Sarin

 

3 young Indian players in the 17-19 age bracket are now in the in the final play off stages of the Chess world cup.  

 

Regardless of what happens from here- there is a lot to be proud here. 

 

Gukesh is against world no.1 and chess GOAT Magnus Carlsen in the quarters - and it would be an extraordinary feat if he prevails 

 

17 year old Gukesh is in the worlds top 7 and for the first time in 25 years probably ( now semi-retired ) legendary genius Vishy Anand has been overtaking in FIDE ratings ( by Gukesh)

 

6 out of top 30 global chess players are Indian - mostly very young Indian players ( see below).  Russia is now second to India. 

 

https://2700chess.com/#google_vignette

 

Indian chess has come a long long way thanks to the groundwork of Vishy Anand.

 

One of these 4 kids is going to be a future world champion - for sure.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, rangeelaraja said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_World_Cup_2023#Rounds_5–8

 

 

 

1) Gukesh

2) Pragna

3) Arjun Erigaisi

4) Nihal Sarin

 

3 young Indian players in the 17-19 age bracket are now in the in the final play off stages of the Chess world cup.  

 

Regardless of what happens from here- there is a lot to be proud here. 

 

Gukesh is against world no.1 and chess GOAT Magnus Carlsen in the quarters - and it would be an extraordinary feat if he prevails 

 

17 year old Gukesh is in the worlds top 7 and for the first time in 25 years probably ( now semi-retired ) legendary genius Vishy Anand has been overtaking in FIDE ratings ( by Gukesh)

 

6 out of top 30 global chess players are Indian - mostly very young Indian players ( see below).  Russia is now second to India. 

 

https://2700chess.com/#google_vignette

 

Indian chess has come a long long way thanks to the groundwork of Vishy Anand.

 

One of these 4 kids is going to be a future world champion - for sure.

 

 

 

won't be easy getting past alireza and even magnus is not yet wholly a spent force

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33 minutes ago, Vijy said:

won't be easy getting past alireza and even magnus is not yet wholly a spent force

 

Alireza had a hot run and rocketed to 2800 and has performed not really well after that.  He is a talent, but his temperament has been questionable again and again.

 

Guys like Pragg, Gukesh, Arjun and Nihal have amazing calm, maturity and temperament.

 

Magnus is a GOAT, but since he relinquished his WC title and decide not to compete for it,  his motivation is not so clear as he himself has indicated again and again.

 

Lets not forget guys - like Pragg and Gukesh are barely 17/18 - and competing superbly well at such a young age.

 

They will only get stronger - as long as they are under good influence. We are blessed to have someone like Vishy - expect him to nurture them to achieve the pinnacle of the sport.

 

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19 hours ago, rangeelaraja said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_World_Cup_2023#Rounds_5–8

 

 

 

1) Gukesh

2) Pragna

3) Arjun Erigaisi

4) Nihal Sarin

 

3 young Indian players in the 17-19 age bracket are now in the in the final play off stages of the Chess world cup.  

 

Regardless of what happens from here- there is a lot to be proud here. 

 

Gukesh is against world no.1 and chess GOAT Magnus Carlsen in the quarters - and it would be an extraordinary feat if he prevails 

 

17 year old Gukesh is in the worlds top 7 and for the first time in 25 years probably ( now semi-retired ) legendary genius Vishy Anand has been overtaking in FIDE ratings ( by Gukesh)

 

6 out of top 30 global chess players are Indian - mostly very young Indian players ( see below).  Russia is now second to India. 

 

https://2700chess.com/#google_vignette

 

Indian chess has come a long long way thanks to the groundwork of Vishy Anand.

 

One of these 4 kids is going to be a future world champion - for sure.

 

 

 

 

Vidit has made it too :hatsoff:

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44 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Vidit has made it too :hatsoff:

 

 

Yup....4 out of 8 quarter finalists are Indians.  

 

Good chance that atleast one 1 and possibly 2 Indians will qualify for the world championship candidates.

 

Gukesh and Pragg are so fearless...love watching them compete and trouble the likes of Magnus, Nakamura and Caruana.

 

 

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4 Indians in the Quarter finals. I followed most of the progress so far and have been following some of the games played by our young chess players for a while now. 

 

What is absolutely shocking is that there is no coverage from the media!!! No headline on TOI or NDTV. What is wrong with these guys?!! They post anything and everything about cricket, but such a major achievement in a game that is truly global is ignored. How ridiculous!

 

Anyways, kudos to Pragg, Gukesh, Arjun and Vidit. I am a big fan of Pragg in particular. What an amazing prospect he and Gukesh are. 

 

My dream would be to see Pragg battling Gukesh for the World Chess Championship one day.

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On 8/13/2023 at 10:32 PM, rangeelaraja said:

 

Alireza had a hot run and rocketed to 2800 and has performed not really well after that.  He is a talent, but his temperament has been questionable again and again.

 

Guys like Pragg, Gukesh, Arjun and Nihal have amazing calm, maturity and temperament.

 

Magnus is a GOAT, but since he relinquished his WC title and decide not to compete for it,  his motivation is not so clear as he himself has indicated again and again.

 

Lets not forget guys - like Pragg and Gukesh are barely 17/18 - and competing superbly well at such a young age.

 

They will only get stronger - as long as they are under good influence. We are blessed to have someone like Vishy - expect him to nurture them to achieve the pinnacle of the sport.

 

no doubt alireza is temperamental, but that also makes his difficult to predict if/when he returns to form

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Incredible achievement especially when you consider their ages. All of them are also being mentored by Anand in his chess academy in Chennai (hope it develops into something like Botvinnik's Soviet School of Chess), so they have the best guidance and resources possible to achieve their potential.

Hope to see 2 Indians competing for the crown, last time we saw that was during Soviet/Russian period of dominance.

 

Jai Hind:isalute:

 

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There are 9-10 year old kids in India (both boys and girls) who will be National champions in more than half of the countries on this planet. Frightening tsunami of talent coming from India. Recently Peter Svidler said that the wave of young Indian chess talent is more impressive than what USSR chess produced at its peak. Kasparov, Kramnik and Carlsen have said similar things in the past, Carlsen called India the superpower of chess last year. 

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We had 0 chess GMs in 1986.

 

Bangladesh gave South Asia it's first GM, before India.

 

In the 70s and early 80s school children from USSR would give simuls in Delhi and Madras against our top players. 

 

We were nothing. Now look at us.

 

India is capable of greatness despite so many odds stacked against us, nothing is beyond our reach (except maybe cricket, when will we figure out this sport?:phehe:). We will also prove it in Olympics in coming decades. Bindra, Neeraj and others lit the fire starting in 2008 Beijing, we have crossed the mental hurdle even in athletics where it was long thought that Indians (genes, diet whatever) can't compete with the best of the rest of the world.

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1:25-1:40

"From nobodies at chess to arguably the greatest chess country behind Russia", GOAT's words from 2 years back.

 

Even 10 years ago when hype train was behind China (remember Wei Yi's results as a prodigy back then?), Carlsen was an exception, always said that India is the country to look out for, not China. In 2013 when he was giving a simul in Chennai he marked out Pragg and his sister as the future, both siblings had beaten him in that simul.

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7 hours ago, Texan said:

What is absolutely shocking is that there is no coverage from the media!!! No headline on TOI or NDTV. What is wrong with these guys?!! They post anything and everything about cricket, but such a major achievement in a game that is truly global is ignored. How ridiculous!

Even our Asian Champions Trophy (hockey) triumph last Saturday hardly got any coverage, incredible comeback from 1-3 down (till final minute of 3rd quarter) to win 4-3 in the summit clash  against world #9 Malaysia. Useless Indian media is obsessed with only sadak chaap politics, kirkit (that too mainly IPL) and Bollywood. Public is also to blame. 

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9 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

Is carslen going to compete for next world championship? Good if he does,but unfortunately that would mean significantly less chance for anyone else to qualify for the championship match (vs ding liren)...

 

He isn't going to compete, said so yesterday. 

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USA has 2 QFists but Caruana is a product of Italian federation, Dominguez played for Cuba till 4 years ago. Wesley So is from Philippines. Nakamura was born in Japan but his formative years were in America, so home made. Aronian is Armenian but now plays for USA. US is good at poaching overseas talent.

 

Our talent is entirely home grown, Uzbekistan is also impressive in that regard. Iran has lots of strong players but their brightest talents prefer to escape their evil regime.

 

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15 hours ago, Gollum said:

USA has 2 QFists but Caruana is a product of Italian federation, Dominguez played for Cuba till 4 years ago. Wesley So is from Philippines. Nakamura was born in Japan but his formative years were in America, so home made. Aronian is Armenian but now plays for USA. US is good at poaching overseas talent.

 

Our talent is entirely home grown, Uzbekistan is also impressive in that regard. Iran has lots of strong players but their brightest talents prefer to escape their evil regime.

 

US poaches in chess and so many sports, Eng in cricket and so many sports, etc... all of it is so shameless. wish there were rules against this kind of naked poaching. at least when poaches are done, people should be wearing clothes, not going nanga

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17 hours ago, Vijy said:

US poaches in chess and so many sports, Eng in cricket and so many sports, etc... all of it is so shameless. wish there were rules against this kind of naked poaching. at least when poaches are done, people should be wearing clothes, not going nanga

Qatar and KSA have been poaching talent from African countries in Football. That's what the Developed world teaches, get your talent globally as nobody wants to be poached by the Developing world. We should be extremely proud that our talent is homegrown. 

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Right now I think only Gukesh and Praggu can challenge the likes of Caruana, Ding, Nepo. Carlsen is on another level, like 90s Kasparov. Give these boys some more time, even teenager Carlsen used to lose frequently against elites, his beast version at least in classical started only in 2011. Also he had much lesser competition as Anand/Kramnik/Topalov generation was quite old (Kasparov retired) and the Aronian/Grischuk generation wasn't that big a challenge. Indian youngsters have much more difficult competition to deal with, which includes prime Carlsen. 

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