Using Left Handed Batsmen to counter inswinging conditions from leftie bowlers?

[vice]

 

If you look through Ind Pak matches, India's right handed top order was  susceptible to left arm swing.  Dhawan, being the leftie, fared much better.
The new ball only swings for just the first 5 overs max which would mean negating just the first 2-3 overs from Afridi.  Lefty options are Kishan, Jadeja, Kuldeep, Axar, Tilak.  
Very low chance of  Tilak making the team. If he plays, I'd let him open with Kishan. Axar is another option. Bottom line lefties fare better against left arm swing at the open . I'd open with lefties, if early wicket falls, bring in another leftie.

 

It's just about negating the first 2-3 overs of left swing.  Left handed batsmen are the best approach IMO. 

So if there's any swing on offer, here's my order of preference:

 

0) Default: Most safe option which team management might be willing to consider is atleast left right combination should be tried with the leftie facing bulk of the overs against leftie bowler.
1) Top order lefties: open with two lefites Kishan/Tilak
2) Balanced: Lower order medium level lefties Kishan/ Axar/Jadeja   
3) Sacrificial approach: Reverse order batting order and let them swing or bat thru first5  : Shardul/Axar/Kuldeep

 

As the level increases, so does the extremity of the swinging conditions

Early fall of wicket inside 5 overs , bring in lefty. After 5 overs, resume normal order

For these non-impact games, try to see if current openers can handle swing.  In a pressure swinging conditions, I'd implement the above strategy

Dont' expect any such drastic changes. At best left right combination may be considered. India doesn't have experienced lefties going into the WC.

 

Gill handled Afridi pretty well in u19, let's see how this matchup fares.

 

TLDR: bring in lefties to counter inswinging conditions from leftie bowlers. Approach depends on opposition left bowlers and amount of swing.

[Lord]

Lefties are actually more susceptible as both edges come into play.

[tweaker]

12 minutes ago, vice said:

 

If you look through Ind Pak matches, India's right handed top order was  susceptible to left arm swing.  Dhawan, being the leftie, fared much better.
The new ball only swings for just the first 5 overs max which would mean negating just the first 2-3 overs from Afridi.  Lefty options are Kishan, Jadeja, Kuldeep, Axar, Tilak.  
Very low chance of  Tilak making the team. If he plays, I'd let him open with Kishan. Axar is another option. Bottom line lefties fare better against left arm swing at the open . I'd open with lefties, if early wicket falls, bring in another leftie.

 

It's just about negating the first 2-3 overs of left swing.  Left handed batsmen are the best approach IMO. 

So if there's any swing on offer, here's my order of preference:

 

0) Default: Most safe option which team management might be willing to consider is atleast left right combination should be tried with the leftie facing bulk of the overs against leftie bowler.
1) Top order lefties: open with two lefites Kishan/Tilak
2) Balanced: Lower order medium level lefties Kishan/ Axar/Jadeja   
3) Sacrificial approach: Reverse order batting order and let them swing or bat thru first5  : Shardul/Axar/Kuldeep

 

As the level increases, so does the extremity of the swinging conditions

Early fall of wicket inside 5 overs , bring in lefty. After 5 overs, resume normal order

For these non-impact games, try to see if current openers can handle swing.  In a pressure swinging conditions, I'd implement the above strategy

Dont' expect any such drastic changes. At best left right combination may be considered. India doesn't have experienced lefties going into the WC.

 

Gill handled Afridi pretty well in u19, let's see how this matchup fares.

 

TLDR: bring in lefties to counter inswinging conditions from leftie bowlers. Approach depends on opposition left bowlers and amount of swing.

Rohit ,Virat are experienced enough to counter Left arm bowlers.They should face it as a challenge. 

The middle order is highly suspect with injured players selected ie Rahul,Iyer or inexperienced players ie Kishan,Verma.

 

Verma should not be made a scapegoat to protect the seniors and Rohit and Virat should take the responsibility and set a example for young  players.

 

Jaiswal could have been groomed for this role ,but it is too late now

[Nikhil_cric]

Depends. A left-right combo is certainly preferable, provided they rotate the strike and force a change in line. Shikhar had a good record vs Aamir but his record against Starc and Boult was not great. So it depends.

 

 

[cricketfan28]

gill vs afridi(I think gill will win) will be interesting, sharma better avoid afridi.

[Lone Wolf]

10 hours ago, Lord said:

Lefties are actually more susceptible as both edges come into play.

It is same as like a Right hander facing a Right arm bowler.. 

A leftie needs to watch out for that  outswinger from left armer. 

All lefties are pretty strong on the pads that comes in with the angle of a left armer. 

Technique comes into play though.  Someone like Afridi with new ball can exploit any chink in the armor. 

[Number]

For right handers it is a problem if they are looking to play across the line. If they can present full face of the bat it will be less of a worry imo. Reason Shaheen is more effective in T20s first 2 overs is because batsmen have first instinct of scoring runs so they try to flick across the line and end up missing those late inswingers.

[vvvslaxman]

33 minutes ago, Number said:

For right handers it is a problem if they are looking to play across the line. If they can present full face of the bat it will be less of a worry imo. Reason Shaheen is more effective in T20s first 2 overs is because batsmen have first instinct of scoring runs so they try to flick across the line and end up missing those late inswingers.

 

It is a tough ball for all right handers. Especially if you have players who don't get to practice against left armers they will struggle. Irfan Pathan, Zaheer, RP singh all have dismissed players like that.  Most recently Arshdeep nailed Babar first ball. Arshdeep also ran through SA at Kochi.  Boult have done that to a lot of teams and in lot of leagues.  Surprisingly Starc, Johnson have not posed the same inswinging problems as much as Boult or Amir.  It could be bounce, length. 

[Nikhil_cric]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

It is a tough ball for all right handers. Especially if you have players who don't get to practice against left armers they will struggle. Irfan Pathan, Zaheer, RP singh all have dismissed players like that.  Most recently Arshdeep nailed Babar first ball. Arshdeep also ran through SA at Kochi.  Boult have done that to a lot of teams and in lot of leagues.  Surprisingly Starc, Johnson have not posed the same inswinging problems as much as Boult or Amir.  It could be bounce, length. 

It depends on the conditions. Boult has been hammered a lot as well. He only got on top of our batsmen when the conditions aided swing.  Starc destroyed us in an ODI recently.

 

It's also the version of kookaburra being used. 2021 onwards, batting in the powerplay has gotten harder and the ball is swinging a fair bit more and holding it's seam for longer.   

 

Hence, the Shaheen threat. Until 2020, even Shaheen was playable in the Powerplay.

 

Even now, it's a question of negotiating his first 2 overs. His threat reduces substantially after that.

 

 

[nevada]

The likelihood of Shaheen getting an early wicket is very high. But what happens after that is critical. If our batsmen go into panic mode and poke the ball away from their body like mesmerized sheep, then it will be disaster for us. Our coaches need to do prevent this from happening. 

[vvvslaxman]

5 hours ago, nevada said:

The likelihood of Shaheen getting an early wicket is very high. But what happens after that is critical. If our batsmen go into panic mode and poke the ball away from their body like mesmerized sheep, then it will be disaster for us. Our coaches need to do prevent this from happening. 

In which case open with lower order. Some sacrificial lamb. Pandya.

[Throwaib_Chuckter]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

In which case open with lower order. Some sacrificial lamb. Pandya.

Krunal

 

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[tweaker]

Shaheen Afridi took wicket of Rohit and Virat

[mani sha]

Tactically makes more sense to play left hand ….unfortunately , we don’t seem to learn . Yashashwi needs to open 

[nevada]

20 minutes ago, mani sha said:

Tactically makes more sense to play left hand ….unfortunately , we don’t seem to learn . Yashashwi needs to open 

They might bring back Dhawan. Inexperience will be cited to keep Jaiswal out.