Jadeja's 77 (59) in WC SF v Pandya's 76(43) in CT 17 Final

[Nikhil_cric]

31 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

2013 CT final MoM. Scored 33 of 25 and we won the match by 5 runs. 

 

Everyone after Kohli contributed 9 runs off 23 in that game.

And that was more than 10 years ago. That's exactly the point I'm trying to make.  

 

Jadeja bats like that once in a blue moon and doesn't take enough wickets against top sides to justify a place in the ODI team.  CT 2013 was the high watermark of his ODI career.

[Trichromatic]

24 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

And that was more than 10 years ago. That's exactly the point I'm trying to make.  

 

Jadeja bats like that once in a blue moon and doesn't take enough wickets against top sides to justify a place in the ODI team.  CT 2013 was the high watermark of his ODI career.

That was last time India won an ICC trophy.

[vvvslaxman]

56 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

That was last time India won an ICC trophy.

 

I say Ishan't out of the blue double wicket over put us in box seat. We were all set to lose that match with 20 to get in 16 balls with 6 wickets in hand.

[Nikhil_cric]

2 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

That was last time India won an ICC trophy.

And Jadeja's lack of performances with bat and ball despite his continued selection is part of the reason why we haven't won an ICC trophy afterwards.

[Lord]

On 9/4/2023 at 7:21 PM, Austin 3:!6 said:

I prefer Pandya's knock. That was a brutal assault on their spinners and was absolutely gutted when Jadeja ran him out. Who know what would have happened had that run out not happened?

yeah we lost by just 180 runs. Who knows Pak would have kept bowling part timers and Pandya could have scored 150 of those

[Lord]

3 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

I say Ishan't out of the blue double wicket over put us in box seat. We were all set to lose that match with 20 to get in 16 balls with 6 wickets in hand.

no that just got us back in the game. Spinners killed the game. Even in batting he did well in final

[Lord]

On 9/4/2023 at 5:52 PM, vvvslaxman said:

Jaddu's knock. Because Pandya smashed Fakar Zaman's bowling and other spinners mostly. But Jaddu not finishing the game make it an useless knock. Pandya scoring 76 in this match instead of that match would have made both innings more meaningful. India was chasing a paltry total. 

 

That makes Lara's 153, Sachin's 136, Kohli's twin tons in Adelaide etc. useless knocks.

 

Jaddu got us very close from hopeless position. If Dhoni wasn't so bad we could have won.

[Lord]

9 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

That's the only knock of value Jadeja has played in 10 years. Where is the comparison even?  I can't even think of another knock he played in LOI's that was of any consequence.  Hardik has played more knocks in the last 2 years than Jadeja's entire career.

 

 

Jadeja was our GOAT Test cricketer - Cricviz rated him the MVP Test cricketer in the ball tracking era of Test cricket and I think we undervalue him in that format even now.   

 

But he' an absolute fraud in LOI's and has been so for 10 years. 

 

Comparison is of two innings not players. Everyone knows Pandya is better LOI player.

[Austin 3:!6]

15 minutes ago, Lord said:

yeah we lost by just 180 runs. Who knows Pak would have kept bowling part timers and Pandya could have scored 150 of those

 

Pandya would have emulated Kapil Dev's 175 that day had Jadeja not ran him out. 

 

[Lord]

17 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

 

Pandya would have emulated Kapil Dev's 175 that day had Jadeja not ran him out. 

 

Phir bhi kam padte. 

[Number]

Both are useless innings. 

Nothing to compare.

[vvvslaxman]

4 hours ago, Lord said:

 

That makes Lara's 153, Sachin's 136, Kohli's twin tons in Adelaide etc. useless knocks.

 

Jaddu got us very close from hopeless position. If Dhoni wasn't so bad we could have won.

 

Dhoni has finished several games in his career. He was on his last legs. Jaddu had one chance in his life to do that. He couldn't close it out. Yes. Ball was getting old. Their attack was not that threatening. SHould have closed it. Yes Sachin's knock is a great knock. But useless in the end because he played one too many shots when the game was so close. When you take it so close you should try to finish.

[Lord]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Dhoni has finished several games in his career. He was on his last legs. Jaddu had one chance in his life to do that. He couldn't close it out. Yes. Ball was getting old. Their attack was not that threatening. SHould have closed it. Yes Sachin's knock is a great knock. But useless in the end because he played one too many shots when the game was so close. When you take it so close you should try to finish.

That doesn't dilute Jaddu's knock. The RRR was too high because Dhoni wasnt doing anything at all. No way those runs could come from one end only.

 

Dhoni finished games but had support of Raina/Yuvi etc when he did it. Infact he used to attack very late.This time he gave no support.

[vvvslaxman]

4 hours ago, Lord said:

no that just got us back in the game. Spinners killed the game. Even in batting he did well in final

 

But the equation was ridiculously easy when Ishant started. Ishant was terrible upto  that point. Call it midas touch of Dhoni. That worked. Two set bastmen perished in the same over. That over completely changed the dynamics.

[Lord]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

But the equation was ridiculously easy when Ishant started. Ishant was terrible upto  that point. Call it midas touch of Dhoni. That worked. Two set bastmen perished in the same over. That over completely changed the dynamics.

yes already said that got us back in the game. Game was still not over by any means.

[vvvslaxman]

5 minutes ago, Lord said:

That doesn't dilute Jaddu's knock. The RRR was too high because Dhoni wasnt doing anything at all. No way those runs could come from one end only.

 

Dhoni finished games but had support of Raina/Yuvi etc when he did it. Infact he used to attack very late.This time he gave no support.

MSD shouldn't even have played that world cup. He was on his last legs. Anyway it was a better innings than for Pandya's for sure. But the result of the match is the same. So not sure what is the point of comparing one innings from a lost match with another innings from another lost match. Same goes for Sachin's 136, 171. 

 

[Lord]

33 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

MSD shouldn't even have played that world cup. He was on his last legs. Anyway it was a better innings than for Pandya's for sure. But the result of the match is the same. So not sure what is the point of comparing one innings from a lost match with another innings from another lost match. Same goes for Sachin's 136, 171. 

 

Win/loss is a team result. Individual performances need to judged irrespective of team result.

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

45 minutes ago, Lord said:

Win/loss is a team result. Individual performances need to judged irrespective of team result.

 

 

 

77 on the winning side > 77 on the losing side always. Same innings will have more value. That is the point.

[Lord]

On 9/6/2023 at 2:51 AM, vvvslaxman said:

 

77 on the winning side > 77 on the losing side always. Same innings will have more value. That is the point.

Thats just dumb logic. Player can only control his 77, not team result.

 

Both are equal innings if they came in similar circumstances.

[putrevus]

On 9/5/2023 at 3:43 PM, Lord said:

That doesn't dilute Jaddu's knock. The RRR was too high because Dhoni wasnt doing anything at all. No way those runs could come from one end only.

 

Dhoni finished games but had support of Raina/Yuvi etc when he did it. Infact he used to attack very late.This time he gave no support.

Dhoni got this tag of finisher but he was never capable to finishing chases in high scoring games.

 

His batting that day was atrocious, if he had taken some initiative that match was there to be won.

 

Dhoni never gave any captain support as a batsman but got help as a captain from many players.