Let’s talk about jadeja

[vvvslaxman]

6 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

Cant he develop some carrom bowl or dusra…on 2nd thiught..why wud he do that now wen he is playing his last world cup…lol

 

I don't recall anyone analyzing Jadeja's bowling action. But i have seen Shakib's. He has this seam up delivery where he holds the seam upright like MOhammad shami when he bowls arm ball.  I know these bangla boys have these kind of deliveries although not mystery balls like you see from Srilankans and Afghans.

 

Heck even some random bangla youtuber elaborately talk about undercutter

 

 

[cricspirit]

2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Following matches will give you a more accurate picture than stat.  We all know how he stat pad in ODI. Tuk tuk till 40th over and hit a couple of useless four and sixes and make it look like he tried. It is the attitude, ability, skill, ceiling. Not the 'average' and 'strike rate' which is pathetic anyway. 

 

Also he bowls largely in the safe zone. Largely unthreatening against big sides. Sure he can bully Ireland, West Indies, Nepal. but not the threatening bowler like Kuldeep yadav. 

 

I have followed enough matches for 3 decades now. few useless fours and sixes wont make your striker rate 94. It simply does not work that way. Too many players stat pad and too many are accused of it when they are not necessarily doing it. I think at this point money matters more than stats like it did before IPL days. People with average stats make absurd amount of money. My question is, why would management not give directions to hit out if he is not doing what they want him to do ? Give me players with better attitude and ceiling and I will take them. Better yet the management should find them and replace Jadeja. I am defending him because he is being targeted or made a scapegoat too many times as if he is at fault for India not winning tournaments. As if India would have won many multi tournaments in his absence.  

 

He does not control when he gets to bowl. Its the captain. He is very dependable in bowling and can be trusted to give 10 economical overs more often than not. On top of that he takes wickets when conditions are good for him. We are in conditions that are better for him.  I have also noticed you pointing out safe zone many time. What is a safe zone in limited overs cricket ? few expensive overs during any period can tilt the balance in favor of the other team.  His stats over a decade are equal or better to other spinners. It averages out all conditions. Jadeja is not competing with Kuldeep. Kuldeep is an attacking bowler and has done well recently and high on confidence.  A year or so earlier no one wanted him saying he has no confidence. Definitely Kuldeep plays if we take one spinner and they are competing for the same spot at this point of time. 

 

Anyways, I am done defending him on this thread. Hopefully he wins some matches for India and it wont matter who thinks what skills he is missing. 

 

 

Edited September 29, 2023 by cricspirit

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, cricspirit said:

 

I have followed enough matches for 3 decades now. few useless fours and sixes wont make your striker rate 94. It simply does not work that way. Too many players stat pad and too many are accused of it when they are not necessarily doing it. I think at this point money matters more than stats like it did before IPL days. People with average stats make absurd amount of money. My question is, why would management not give directions to hit out if he is not doing what they want him to do ? Give me players with better attitude and ceiling and I will take them. Better yet the management should find them and replace Jadeja. I am defending him because he is being targeted or made a scapegoat too many times as if he is at fault for India not winning tournaments. As if India would have won many multi tournaments in his absence.  

 

He does not control when he gets to bowl. Its the captain. He is very dependable in bowling and can be trusted to give 10 economical overs more often than not. On top of that he takes wickets when conditions are good for him. We are in conditions that are better for him.  I have also noticed you pointing out safe zone many time. What is a safe zone in limited overs cricket ? few expensive overs during any period can tilt the balance in favor of the other team.  His stats over a decade are equal or better to other spinners. It averages out all conditions. Jadeja is not competing with Kuldeep. Kuldeep is an attacking bowler and has done well recently and high on confidence.  A year or so earlier no one wanted him saying he has no confidence. Definitely Kuldeep plays if we take one spinner and they are competing for the same spot at this point of time. 

 

Anyways, I am done defending him on this thread. Hopefully he wins some matches for India and it wont matter who thinks what skills he is missing. 

 

 

 

A no,7 batsman doesn't need instructions. Most of the time his job would be to smash the bowlers. Not tuk tuk and expose the guys like Kuldeep first ball of next over. it is not like he has it in him to bat aggressively. He relies on someone at the other end to do the acceleration. He is a 14 year investment. Played in T20/ODIs undeservingly without any skills to back up. Jadeja is neither a wicket taking bowler nor a dasher. He is  bang average in both departments. Been that way all his career. 

In 2023  he has one of the worst strike in world cricket. Strike rate of 64.12. This 3 team  series 5 team  series filters won't reveal 90% of the real aukad of this fraudeja. 

[cricspirit]

11 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

A no,7 batsman doesn't need instructions. Most of the time his job would be to smash the bowlers. Not tuk tuk and expose the guys like Kuldeep first ball of next over. it is not like he has it in him to bat aggressively. He relies on someone at the other end to do the acceleration. He is a 14 year investment. Played in T20/ODIs undeservingly without any skills to back up. Jadeja is neither a wicket taking bowler nor a dasher. He is  bang average in both departments. Been that way all his career. 

In 2023  he has one of the worst strike in world cricket. Strike rate of 64.12. This 3 team  series 5 team  series filters won't reveal 90% of the real aukad of this fraudeja. 

 

He is playing for India and I want him doing well. It does not matter what this forum thinks or wants. Anybody with better Aukat is free to take his spot. I wont complain if management drops him for another player. If I was team management, I wont bat him no.7 but its not my call. Not every player is a star player. Jadeja is not a star player in LOI cricket but he has his use until someone clearly better is available to management. 

 

India won the Asia cup which Jadeja dint do well. Thats fine for me. Not everyone will do well always. 

 

This forum has a habit of calling names to each of our good players. Be it Rahul, Dhawan, Virat, Rohit, Jadeja .. the list is long. Its always as if all the great talent who would absolutely smash on batting or bowling are somehow not playing and missing out. Too much complaining and less enjoying the game. Impatience and anger every ball, every over, every innings, every match. This was not the scene during 90's or even early 2000's. 

Edited September 30, 2023 by cricspirit

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, cricspirit said:

 

He is playing for India and I want him doing well. It does not matter what this forum thinks or wants. Anybody with better Aukat is free to take his spot. I wont complain if management drops him for another player. If I was team management, I wont bat him no.7 but its not my call. Not every player is a star player. Jadeja is not a star player in LOI cricket but he has his use until someone clearly better is available to management. 

 

India won the Asia cup which Jadeja dint do well. Thats fine for me. Not everyone will do well always. 

 

This forum has a habit of calling names to each of our good players. Be it Rahul, Dhawan, Virat, Rohit, Jadeja .. the list is long. Its always as if all the great talent who would absolutely smash on batting or bowling are somehow not playing and missing out. Too much complaining and less enjoying the game. Impatience and anger every ball, every over, every innings, every match. This was not the scene during 90's or even early 2000's. 

 

This cricket forum is unfortunately not the usual "Fan boy" forum which we see in twitter. There will be critical analysis. Nobody is complaining about his Test performance. If they have general dislike for someone they won't complain just about one aspect. ONly reason they do that is because they are Indian fans. Despite occasional bias most of us are Indian fans rather than fanboys.

[mani sha]

13 hours ago, cricspirit said:

I say drop Jadeja and Satisfy ICF.. lol  .  We demand it. We know better. . lol 

 

Whoever plays will have negatives thrown at him. We really do not have great alternatives for what we are looking for. Safe or Wicket taking bowler who hits from world go and is consistently reliable. They do not exist. Be it AXAR, Sundar or anyone else.. everyone is debatable and marginal.  Heck people are silent against Hardik momentarily but lot of abuse will follow if he fails to accelerate few times. This is definitely possible. 

 

KLR is a good middle order bat but he has taken extreme abuse. 

 

No one player will win or lose the World cup for India. Too much attention to Jadeja as if he alone is responsible for the big LOI losses. Lot of blame games have gone to DHONI too in the Past. 

 

In my opinion they should keep the batting order flexible after Top3 and react to situations. Also keep playing 11 flexible depending on Conditions (Extra pacer or spinner for example). It is a team game and they will win if they focus on Team objectives and everyone rises to the occasion when needed.

 

 

I don’t think dropping him is an option . 
 

why has his batting gone down . I think he is not suited for no 7 . He is better off at no 4 

 

axar is a good no 7 . Hits big sixes . 
 

if u get his batting position right , u can get better outcomes 

[cricspirit]

3 minutes ago, mani sha said:

I don’t think dropping him is an option . 
 

why has his batting gone down . I think he is not suited for no 7 . He is better off at no 4 

 

axar is a good no 7 . Hits big sixes . 
 

if u get his batting position right , u can get better outcomes 

 

Don't think his batting has gone down. He is not struggling. He just does not show purpose and intent while batting. Needs to be more aggressive than defensive. Most people are against him because we need momentum at his position if the field is already set to hit. People prefer 15 or 8-9 balls at that position which he fails to provide more often than not.  He is more suited on mid total chases or giving some stability after quick wickets.

 

If he plays which I think he will, my first preference is having him at no.8 for depth. In this scenario India can include 6 batters and Hardik. Rohit/Virat/Iyer should be ready to bowl some overs if Jadeja and Hardik fall short. 

 

My second preference for him to be used as floater. Bring him up if some quick wickets fall to protect Rahul and Hardik or even Iyer. He is the only left hander to create left right combo. He can take some balls in that scenario and then others can accelerate.

 

But right now I think India team will not experiment and he will bat no.7.

 

I wish all of them play well and give their best. Rest anything happens in a knock out game.

 

 

 

[cricspirit]

2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

This cricket forum is unfortunately not the usual "Fan boy" forum which we see in twitter. There will be critical analysis. Nobody is complaining about his Test performance. If they have general dislike for someone they won't complain just about one aspect. ONly reason they do that is because they are Indian fans. Despite occasional bias most of us are Indian fans rather than fanboys.

 

Been here long enough to know what this forum is and what most posters position and analysis is. Not comparing to Twitter which I never visit and honestly dont know what happens there.  I was just comparing to life before social media and forum where we discussed cricket in person and during group watching of matches. This forum goes too much critical on everything and that is just my opinion. One fielding miss, few bad balls, one bad over.. Name calling starts. I am not disturbed or bothered by it. Just saying what happens.  I do enjoy the analysis and passion which is why I am here and read more than I type.

 

[Need4Speed]

4 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

I don't recall anyone analyzing Jadeja's bowling action. But i have seen Shakib's. He has this seam up delivery where he holds the seam upright like MOhammad shami when he bowls arm ball.  I know these bangla boys have these kind of deliveries although not mystery balls like you see from Srilankans and Afghans.

 

Heck even some random bangla youtuber elaborately talk about undercutter

 

 

Thats what..not sure how you can content being an avg bowler..if carrom bowl is asking too much..just work hard on little tweaks and it will help the test bowling too..may be sometime try spin grip with one and other times with two fingers..try to play with revs, angles but atleast do something instead of bowling same all the time and rely on pitch..same goes to Axar’s bowling as well..

[singhvivek141]

8 minutes ago, cricspirit said:

 

Don't think his batting has gone down. He is not struggling. He just does not show purpose and intent while batting. Needs to be more aggressive than defensive. Most people are against him because we need momentum at his position if the field is already set to hit. People prefer 15 or 8-9 balls at that position which he fails to provide more often than not.  He is more suited on mid total chases or giving some stability after quick wickets.

 

If he plays which I think he will, my first preference is having him at no.8 for depth. In this scenario India can include 6 batters and Hardik. Rohit/Virat/Iyer should be ready to bowl some overs if Jadeja and Hardik fall short. 

 

My second preference for him to be used as floater. Bring him up if some quick wickets fall to protect Rahul and Hardik or even Iyer. He is the only left hander to create left right combo. He can take some balls in that scenario and then others can accelerate.

 

But right now I think India team will not experiment and he will bat no.7.

 

I wish all of them play well and give their best. Rest anything happens in a knock out game.

 

 

 

This would have happened if someone from our top 6 can do a Markram or Maxwell.

As it's not the case and given the unreliability on Pandya to delivery 10 overs consistently match after match, you need a sixth bowling option...which comes with a compromise.

[singhvivek141]

4 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

I don't recall anyone analyzing Jadeja's bowling action. But i have seen Shakib's. He has this seam up delivery where he holds the seam upright like MOhammad shami when he bowls arm ball.  I know these bangla boys have these kind of deliveries although not mystery balls like you see from Srilankans and Afghans.

 

Heck even some random bangla youtuber elaborately talk about undercutter

 

 

He is content with his space, there is no incentive for him to improve and add new things in his repitoire because he knows he is safe. Same issue with Chahal who never worked hard to improve his other facets i.e. fielding, batting by an inch.

 

Sundar, Ashwin can bowl in powerplay, even Kuldeep has bowled in powerplay. They have variations...Sundar now seems to giving a bit of flight, Kuldeep has a mean faster one which he randomly uses but is 110kph+ as a surprise. Ashwin has multiple deliveries on his arsenal, he even tried to bowl legspin at times (albeit in domestics only). 

 

It's important to keep the players on their toes, so that they can innovate and improve. 

[MediumPacer]

4 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

I don't recall anyone analyzing Jadeja's bowling action. But i have seen Shakib's. He has this seam up delivery where he holds the seam upright like MOhammad shami when he bowls arm ball.  I know these bangla boys have these kind of deliveries although not mystery balls like you see from Srilankans and Afghans.

 

Heck even some random bangla youtuber elaborately talk about undercutter

 

 

Other than Ashwin all Indian finger spinners are one dimensional.

[MediumPacer]

Even in terms of trajectory he is very one dimensional,but once pitch starts to turn he becomes dangerous due to his speed .

[vvvslaxman]

26 minutes ago, MediumPacer said:

Even in terms of trajectory he is very one dimensional,but once pitch starts to turn he becomes dangerous due to his speed .

I like this Manav suthar.  Good eye line level release and generates bounce

 

 

[Need4Speed]

5 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

I like this Manav suthar.  Good eye line level release and generates bounce

 

 

Should groom him as he bats as well.

[Lord]

9 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

I like this Manav suthar.  Good eye line level release and generates bounce

 

 

 

Unfortunately this style doesn't work anymore in ODI pattas. Batsmen will keep charging and hitting him out of the attack.

 

 

[cricketfan28]

Jadeja is due for a  "innings of a lifetime" , hopefully he delivers this time, almost did it in wc 2019 semifinal.

[Nikhil_cric]

Orthodox finger spinners don't have the revolutions to cause false shots.  So they are inherently defensive and lack consistent wicket taking threat

 

Simply can't play specialist finger spinners nowadays. They either have to be real hitters or batters who bowl a bit. 

 

If at all this guy and the "balance" he provides cannot be avoided, why can't he bowl at the death?

 

Let him dart full and flat outside off stump with 5 outfielders.

 

His defensive bowling is more useful there than in the middle overs where we need more wickets .

 

Not sure why we haven't tried this.

Edited September 30, 2023 by Nikhil_cric

[Chaos]

Jadeja is only good in tests. He is a great fielder and dud recently in bowling and batting. Also, its not like our other spinners minus kuldeep takes wickets consistently.

 

we used to be great players of spin and always had great spinners.  Now they suck in both areas. Maxwell 4 wickets, smh 

[Adamant]

Jadeja will hit a century in this world cup 
(In b4 :with the bat)