Major terror attack underway in Gaza Strip

[coffee_rules]

9 hours ago, bharathh said:

Scary indeed. I will never keep my phone in my clothes from here on.

I have worked on mobile comm starting from AMPS->5G, such a thing can be don't only with tampered hardware. Hardware is highly regulated and checked for radiation, etc, phones are hard to tamper as the new phones have no external batteries. And you have manufacture such tampared phones illegally. These pagers had what it seemed like a AAA batteries, they are not regulated by govt as much as phones. There have been cases of iPhones catching fire in airplanes. Hence, they will not let you keep phones, batteries and power-banks in checked baggage. But, it's scary when it's time any safeguard will eventually breached. These incidents can make you lose sleep definitely. How hard can it be to tamper supply chain and let loose faulty IOT devices that are in your homes now - from Alexa, to smart refridgerators and microwaves. that are accessible via internet now.

Edited September 18, 2024 by coffee_rules

[mishra]

24 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

I have worked on mobile comm starting from AMPS->5G, such a thing can be don't only with tampered hardware. Hardware is highly regulated and checked for radiation, etc, phones are hard to tamper as the new phones have no external batteries. And you have manufacture such tampared phones illegally. These pagers had what it seemed like a AAA batteries, they are not regulated by govt as much as phones. There have been cases of iPhones catching fire in airplanes. Hence, they will not let you keep phones, batteries and power-banks in checked baggage. But, it's scary when it's time any safeguard will eventually breached. These incidents can make you lose sleep definitely. How hard can it be to tamper supply chain and let loose faulty IOT devices that are in your homes now - from Alexa, to smart refridgerators and microwaves. that are accessible via internet now.

I have actually kept my phone since yesterday. Only when i need to read mssg or call, That too on speaker phone. Dont trust earphone either

[diga]

55 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

I have worked on mobile comm starting from AMPS->5G, such a thing can be don't only with tampered hardware. Hardware is highly regulated and checked for radiation, etc, phones are hard to tamper as the new phones have no external batteries. And you have manufacture such tampared phones illegally. These pagers had what it seemed like a AAA batteries, they are not regulated by govt as much as phones. There have been cases of iPhones catching fire in airplanes. Hence, they will not let you keep phones, batteries and power-banks in checked baggage. But, it's scary when it's time any safeguard will eventually breached. These incidents can make you lose sleep definitely. How hard can it be to tamper supply chain and let loose faulty IOT devices that are in your homes now - from Alexa, to smart refridgerators and microwaves. that are accessible via internet now.

Wow.. you are super senior. (AMPS - TDM system)

 

I started on 8-psk with e-gprs :)

[mishra]

Now walkie talkies started exploding. Totatl Communication breakdown of Hezbollah. Now they can use pigeons and hawks like the day and age of their messenger.

[diga]

9 minutes ago, mishra said:

Now walkie talkies started exploding. Totatl Communication breakdown of Hezbollah. Now they can use pigeons and hawks like the day and age of their messenger.

wow... this will take years for Hezbollah / Hamas to regroup. 

[mishra]

21 minutes ago, diga said:

wow... this will take years for Hezbollah / Hamas to regroup. 

And here comes the Impartials we call UN.

 

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'Civilian objects' should not be weaponized: UN chief Guterres

United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said that civilian objects should not be weaponized, following a series of deadly explosions in Lebanon targeting pagers used by Hezbollah.

"I think it's very important that there is an effective control of civilian objects, not to weaponize civilian objects -- that should be a rule that... governments should, be able to implement," Guterres said at a briefing at UN headquarters, AFP reported.

 

[Number]

This is borderline war crime. Makes me shiver.

[Haarkarjeetgaye]

2 hours ago, mishra said:

Now walkie talkies started exploding. Totatl Communication breakdown of Hezbollah. Now they can use pigeons and hawks like the day and age of their messenger.

Dude. Donkeys gonna fly if their planes explode ?

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, Number said:

This is borderline war crime. Makes me shiver.

 

But, think about the crimes committed by terrorists. Do they fall under statutory war crimes? They get a free pass. But the civil society tends to operate on ethics like war-crimes. Obama got a Nobel prize but he re-started wars - Syria, Libya and drone-bombed marriage parties in Afghanistan. Nobody talks about his war-crimes.

 

[bsriharsha]

I have no sympathy for the members of terrorist groups who got killed/castrated or whatever. They got what they deserved. 

 

What was stopping Israel from doing the same to Hamas members though ? Instead of engaging in a long drawn out war in which the death count keeps increasing as Israel continues its genocidal practices. 

[randomGuy]

8 hours ago, Number said:

This is borderline war crime. Makes me shiver.

They went too far here

 

 

 

[Number]

8 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

 

But, think about the crimes committed by terrorists. Do they fall under statutory war crimes? They get a free pass. But the civil society tends to operate on ethics like war-crimes. Obama got a Nobel prize but he re-started wars - Syria, Libya and drone-bombed marriage parties in Afghanistan. Nobody talks about his war crimes.

Yes, but this is a kind of unique precedence being set. Imagine Phones, TVs, ACs, Fridges exploding in our homes during war. 

[New guy]

1 hour ago, Number said:

Yes, but this is a kind of unique precedence being set. Imagine Phones, TVs, ACs, Fridges exploding in our homes during war. 

They (and other countries) have used such methods before, but never on such scale. Usually because such level of infiltration is not possible 

[New guy]

11 hours ago, Number said:

This is borderline war crime. Makes me shiver.

Considering those being targeted are only terrorists why is this wrong?

[New guy]

1 hour ago, Number said:

Yes, but this is a kind of unique precedence being set. Imagine Phones, TVs, ACs, Fridges exploding in our homes during war. 

Terrorists have always done such things. Remember the pressure cooker bombs used at Boston marathon, exploding TVs have been used to assassinate political figures before 

 

It's nothing new. The new thing was how they tapped into terrorists network and ensured only they get these devices and not innocent people.

[New guy]

7 hours ago, bsriharsha said:

I have no sympathy for the members of terrorist groups who got killed/castrated or whatever. They got what they deserved. 

 

What was stopping Israel from doing the same to Hamas members though ? Instead of engaging in a long drawn out war in which the death count keeps increasing as Israel continues its genocidal practices. 

How do they ensure such things reach only to terrorists? In this case they were able to set up a shell company, get intelligence on where and how they were going to buy decides only for those in the group and then insert untrackable explosives. 

 

It was a huge intelligent operation which would have taken months and months to plan.

[mishra]

5 hours ago, randomGuy said:

They went too far here

 

 

 

Seems like its as true as EVMs can be hacked

[mishra]

1 hour ago, New guy said:

Considering those being targeted are only terrorists why is this wrong?

As per Hezbollah, innocent civilians, Women and kids are only casualties. They just do propaganda.

[New guy]

18 hours ago, Haarkarjeetgaye said:

It is an academic connect and the tech they lead plus an admiration how a small country can be so powerful. It's a learning .

After world war 2 they learned the lesson that if they are not powerful and constantly on top of things, they would be wiped out. More than half the world hates them just because of their religion.

[Number]

1 hour ago, New guy said:

Considering those being targeted are only terrorists why is this wrong?

Well govts can't act like terrorists. They have much more accountability. 

And it may always not be a terrorist, the pager in some case may be lying around in a classroom in school, the cars with these explosive ridden radios may have babies inside it. 

I am not a terrorist apologist but this kind of leaves me worried because if countries start going on this path, wars will start having massive civilian casualties.