Does Rauf posses any bowling skill?

[jf1gp_1]

bowls 145+ overs. thats a rare skill.   

[MediumPacer]

 rauf has got wkts,he has 10. Afridi has 13

[Nikhil_cric]

Plenty of pace .

 

But the issue is that in longer formats , there is no substitute for accuracy.

 

He doesn't get a lot of threatening bounce either .

 

Very good T20 enforcer and a good ODI bowler in specific conditions and at the death. 

[MediumPacer]

7 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Gun Barrell Kandasamy - That is his new name.

Swinging bhuvi is also dud in odis

[bsriharsha]

Has pace but nothing else. 

 

Cant bowl a cutter , cant bowl a scrambled seam delivery even to make use of his pace and get the ball to do something off the wicket. 

 

His slower ball isn't well disguised. 

 

Relies on his pace to do him some favours with the older softer ball... Reverse swing etc. 

 

Can be difficult to get over at the end overs if some tail enders are on strike. Might work for T20 as captains can use him sparingly at the start and then do a job for 2-3 overs at the end but is not an ODI bowler 

 

 

 

[bsriharsha]

Even Mark wood got taken for runs and he's quick , probably as quick as Rauf is. 

 

Maybe the nature of these Indian wickets needs people with more guile about their bowling. The likes of Bumrah are thriving points to that. 

[vvvslaxman]

20 minutes ago, MediumPacer said:

Swinging bhuvi is also dud in odis

 

Thakur has similar numbers in the last few months. At the end of the day he was thrashed around by so many guys in recent times. Even in this match look how Jansen destroyed him down the ground.  He hasn't even achieved anything in this format.

[Number]

Other than being a good death over bowler with effective yorkers and slower ones, on certain pitches he gets the ball to move after pitching on seam. Check his wickets off Rohit, SKY and Butler in T20 world cup. 

Also his 5fer against Afghanistan in ODI series, he moved the ball considerably.

He has not been able to find right line length here in India. Also he doesn't understand that international class batsmen will not be troubled by just pace. He has to bowl in right channel, bowl to his field and apply pressure to take wickets in ODIs middle overs.

[vvvslaxman]

13 minutes ago, bsriharsha said:

Even Mark wood got taken for runs and he's quick , probably as quick as Rauf is. 

 

Maybe the nature of these Indian wickets needs people with more guile about their bowling. The likes of Bumrah are thriving points to that. 

Very idea of pace is to take pitch out of the equation. If they are going to rely on pitch then there is no use of pace.  Umran Malik during his 5 wicket haul completely took the pitch out of the equation. He was brutal. On slow pitches in Bangladesh he even managed to bully Shakib.  He is erratic. But if they can't do that no use of pace

[bsriharsha]

3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Very idea of pace is to take pitch out of the equation. If they are going to rely on pitch then there is no use of pace.  Umran Malik during his 5 wicket haul completely took the pitch out of the equation. He was brutal. On slow pitches in Bangladesh he even managed to bully Shakib.  He is erratic. But if they can't do that no use of pace

Then I guess they need around 155+ bowlers to take the pitch out of equation. Teams are used to handling 150 type bowlers

[MediumPacer]

32 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Thakur has similar numbers in the last few months. At the end of the day he was thrashed around by so many guys in recent times. Even in this match look how Jansen destroyed him down the ground.  He hasn't even achieved anything in this format.

He has 10 wkts in this wc ,one of the highest among pacers.he not used properly by pak.

[Lord]

suited for Aus/SA decks

[Adamant]

Perfect example of the fact that raw pace takes you nowhere 

 

Obtains no movement off the pitch or in the air, isn’t tall enough to get much extra bounce , doesn’t have the brains to plan batsman’s dismissal

[Adamant]

11 hours ago, tapandrun said:

He is no Lee/Akthar he has certain skill and that can be utilize. Bowls fast, have bouncer, yorkers and well disguised slower bowls works well when batters are looking for quick runs. We have seen he is able to make a come-back in last 10 overs when batters are looking to go after the ball.

 

He is a role player, he has to be used in a certain way. In ODIs when batters can negotiate some balls and hit on few and are in no hurry to get quick runs he may have some disadvantage. 

 

This is kind of same as Ind has with Deepak Chahar and Bhuvi both have bowl upfront and have to get their good amount of quota done before 35th over

Bhuvi is twice the bowler Rauf ever will be

[Adamant]

2 hours ago, bsriharsha said:

Even Mark wood got taken for runs and he's quick , probably as quick as Rauf is. 

 

Maybe the nature of these Indian wickets needs people with more guile about their bowling. The likes of Bumrah are thriving points to that. 

Mark wood is another overrated bowler.

After 8 years of getting smacked he finally became a but usedul in tests, in odis and t20s he still gets smacked on a regular basis.

He is also quite similar to Rauf, gun barrle straight, gets a bit more bounce though 

[randomGuy]

He is gun barrel straight but he has

 

1. Pace. A good action and run-up. Pace means potential, means he can work on other things. 

2. he has stamina and fitness to bowl 150 in second,third spells.

3. Slower ball and bouncer.

 

Such kind of good looking fast bowlers are good for cricket becoming popular..I won't trade him for bumrah, Siraj , shami but may trade him for shardul.

 

 

[express bowling]

8 hours ago, bsriharsha said:

Even Mark wood got taken for runs and he's quick , probably as quick as Rauf is. 

 

Maybe the nature of these Indian wickets needs people with more guile about their bowling. The likes of Bumrah are thriving points to that. 

 

The best pacers seem to be those who bowl 135 k to 145 k / 147 k with objectivity, movement, bounce, accuracy, yorkers, bouncers, slower ones. (  Not necessarily all these qualities but most of them ).  Our quicker pacers like Bumrah, Siraj, Prasidh and Shami during his better years all fall in this category. Cummins, Rabada, Shaheen among foreigners. 

 

The ones quicker than this, like Wood or Rauf, who are more like 140 k to 150 k / 152 k, seem to lack skills like movement, accuracy, objectivity, and even good yorkers.

 

And the ones slower than this, who bowl 130 k to 140 k or less, have to depend too much on conditions or movement. They cannot hurry batters and become toothless when the ball stops moving. Like Bhuvi, Chahar, Harshal, Arshdeep etc. [  Exceptions are the really tall, hit the deck, bounce bowlers with great accuracy, like McGrath, Garner, Pollock. But Medium paced bounce bowlers rarely work in Asia ].

 

We should look for more 135 k to 145 k / 147 k pacers with skills. Like say Harshit Rana. 

 

 

Edited October 28, 2023 by express bowling

[MK55]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

The best pacers seem to be those who bowl 135 k to 145 k / 147 k with objectivity, movement, bounce, accuracy, yorkers, bouncers, slower ones. (  No necessarily all these qualities but most of them ).  Our quicker pacers like Bumrah, Siraj, Prasidh and Shami during his better years all fall in this category. Cummins, Rabada, Shaheen among foreigners. 

 

The ones quicker than this, like Wood or Rauf, who are more like 140 k to 150 k / 152 k, seem to lack skills like movement, accuracy, objectivity, and even good yorkers.

 

And the ones slower than this, who bowl 130 k to 140 k or less, have to depend too much on conditions or movement. They cannot hurry batters and become toothless when the ball stops moving. Like Bhuvi, Chahar, Harshal, Arshdeep etc. 

 

We should look for more 135 k to 145 k / 147 k pacers with skills. Like say Harshit Rana. 

 

 

It can’t be generalized that way. It depends massively on the pitches too. Pitches in India are the absolute worst for fast bowlers lately. 

 

Bumrah is gonna do well anywhere. Prasidh and even Siraj for that matter have got things to prove yet.

 

Get a bouncy pitch with some pace, and all of a sudden, batters will be hurried/start mistiming and things will be drastically different.

[MK55]

Rauf has to build some skills for sure. Looks limited as of now. 

But I think Nortje Wood etc. will also struggle over here. They may not in Australia.

[express bowling]

7 hours ago, bsriharsha said:

Then I guess they need around 155+ bowlers to take the pitch out of equation. Teams are used to handling 150 type bowlers

 

Or bowl Accurate Yorkers at 142 k to 145 k or higher. 

Edited October 28, 2023 by express bowling