In 2023, India has 3 pacers bowling 150 kph+ .... Mayank Yadav, Kartik Tyagi and Umran Malik

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, SRT100 said:

 

 

For the record, WI fast bowlers of the 80s were generally all 6"5+ in height.

 

 

As far as I know, their heights were

 

Garner   6'8"

Ambrose   6'7"

Walsh    6'6"

Bishop   6'4"or 6'5"

Holding  6'4"

Roberts   6'1"

Marshall  5'10"

 

My impression is that, the best pace attacks these days should combine tall bouncy quicks + shorter skiddy quicks in the squad.

 

3 bouncy quicks + 2 skiddy quicks in SENA. 

 

1 bouncy quick + 3 skiddy quicks in Asia. 

 

Say 2 or 3 among Prasidh, Mayank, Harshit, Tyagi and Sen by rotation 

+  2 or 3  among Bumrah, Siraj, Shami, Umran by rotation.

Edited November 5, 2023 by express bowling

[express bowling]

14 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

saw Mayank's bowling yesterday in a few highlights- seems he has seriously fast bouncers. easily bowls 135 k to 153K. Extremely exciting Talent.  what i found very exciting is his bouncers, he created so many catching opportunities. Not sure if he has inswing and Outswinging capabilities and whether he has matured or not.

 

Saw Umesh Yadav's bowling too and seems he has now CONTROL over his bowling, entire life he never had control over his bowling but now it seems he has got the control and accuracy back, he has gone down on pace a little but can increase his pace whenever he feels the need. But i have to acknowledge that Umesh is impressive now. got 4 wickets in 4 overs in one of the matches.

 

Kartik tyagi- just saw one highlight where i saw few balls, he bowls a little full some times and has sheer Pace - no doubt about that. But I am not sure about his control still , he can bowl a Maiden or an leak 20 runs - i guess he has to improve his accuracy still. but extemmely exciting.

 

Umran- i have always been very impressed by him , i hope he improves and comes back into odi India team some times at least as I feel he is our answer to english quick bowler( mark wood/jefra archer) and New zealand fast bowler( lockie ferguson/adam milne)

 

ON accuracy - none of them are good yet. But yes may be mayank could be a shade better than Kartik tyagi or umran.

 

ON Pace- Umran should be the quickest followed by Karthik and then Mayank.

 

Over All who is the most exciting of the three - I am equally excited by the three of them ,all three should be trained and all three should get a lot of opportunities in IPL and a few international opportunities too. One who is bowling best should be picked and atleast one of them should be in INDIAN team at all times. these 3 should be rotated.

 

I am very excited about Prasidh and Kuldeep Sen too . Kaverappa is good but his pace is a little down though i know he is very Intelligent and bowlers like him are destined for success in international cricket.

 

Saini has disappointed ( not on pace) as he is always SHORT and his bouncers are not as dangerous as Mayank yadav. though on average pace he is as fast as Mayank but i guess now he is not in race for INDIA team. 

 

 

Mayank Yadav is quite accurate. I have watched him ball by ball in 3 games including 2   50 over games.  You just have to look at his economy rate. 

 

And the quickest of the trio in late 2023.  Lots of balls in the 149 k to 155 k range which even Umran isn't clocking these days. 

[vishalvirsingh]

ajit agarkar seems to be taking the right decisions and hats off to him. i had high expectations from him and he seems to be taking the right decisions too.

 

i hope he will monitor and play the three fast bowlers karthik/umran and mayank and kuldeep sen and Prasidh in right formats in the coming year. 

 

i have to definitely acknowledge that ajit is doing well for sure.

 

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

ajit agarkar seems to be taking the right decisions and hats off to him. i had high expectations from him and he seems to be taking the right decisions too.

 

i hope he will monitor and play the three fast bowlers karthik/umran and mayank and kuldeep sen and Prasidh in right formats in the coming year. 

 

i have to definitely acknowledge that ajit is doing well for sure.

 

 

Really like it that Agarkar has included Prasidh in the squads and there are no medium pacers barring allrounder Shardul.

 

His big test is after the World Cup.

 

Can he bring in Mayank Y and Sen in ODIs within a few months ?

 

Can he include Harshit, Tyagi and Umran in A team squads ?

 

How he handles these 5 quicks is his biggest test. 

Edited November 5, 2023 by express bowling

[Suhaan]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

Really like it that Agarkar has included Prasidh in the squads and there are no medium pacers barring allrounder Shardul.

 

His big test is after the World Cup.

 

Can he bring in Mayank Y and Sen in ODIs within a few months ?

 

Can he include Harshit, Tyagi and Umran in A team squads ?

 

How he handles these 5 quicks is is biggest test. 

Does he know about them?

All they do is ,as per their informers who just go through stats of a season and name those stat leaders

 

Edited November 5, 2023 by Suhaan

[MK55]

4 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Aaaannnnnddddd the slower you bowl ,slowest the ball goes to the boundary

I thought the fast ball disappearing faster cliche was only reserved among old Indian commies 

[express bowling]

58 minutes ago, MK55 said:

I thought the fast ball disappearing faster cliche was only reserved among old Indian commies 

 

It's spreading among foreigners too who are spending time in India.   : )

 

Yesterday, when Rauf was bowling, Waqar said that raw pace doesn't work any more in white ball cricket and it is those bowling cutters and bowling line and length who are feared. 

 

Never heard anything like this from him earlier. 

[MK55]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

It's spreading among foreigners too who are spending time in India.   : )

 

Yesterday, when Rauf was bowling, Waqar said that raw pace doesn't work any more in white ball cricket and it is those bowling cutters and bowling line and length who are feared. 

 

Never heard anything like this from him earlier. 

 Everyone disappeared yesterday. Master swing and seam specialist Mr Shaheen went for 90 runs with no wickets. Old man Boult .. never saw a bowler look so f innocuous in a match. 

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, MK55 said:

 Everyone disappeared yesterday. Master swing and seam specialist Mr Shaheen went for 90 runs with no wickets. Old man Boult .. never saw a bowler look so f innocuous in a match. 

 

Yeah, medium pacers Shaheen, Hasan and Boult went for lots of runs. But Fast bowler Rauf gets targeted.

 

It's in the air of India.  Surrounded by pansies Manjrekar, Karthick and Bhogle, you start thinking like this. 

[express bowling]

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Edited November 5, 2023 by express bowling

[tweaker]

22 hours ago, express bowling said:

@SRT100, @raki05, @vishalvirsingh, @Vilander, @tweaker

 

This will really interest you guys even if you have not watched.

Always exited to see young pacers,hope they are handled well.

There were lots of talks how domestic commentators ie Malhotra runs down this pacers at every opportunity.

If their feedback is taken by BCCI ,it will ruin career of many young players.

 

Sen,Yadav,Tyagi should be fastracked .They should first make into playing 11 of their respective state team,play the full season to gain some experience.

[Lord]

5 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Does he know about them?

All they do is ,as per their informers who just go through stats of a season and name those stat leaders

 

 

It takes an IPL season to get noticed. Performance in IPL is non negotiable.

[express bowling]

11 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

It takes an IPL season to get noticed. Performance in IPL is non negotiable.

 

If a pacer performs + is quick in domestic matches then he should get noticed too.

[Vijy]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

It's spreading among foreigners too who are spending time in India.   : )

 

Yesterday, when Rauf was bowling, Waqar said that raw pace doesn't work any more in white ball cricket and it is those bowling cutters and bowling line and length who are feared. 

 

Never heard anything like this from him earlier. 

he has gone native (i.e., indian commentator style)

[Vijy]

bumrah will play for a few more years, as will shami, but we need to groom the next 5-6 players. these are the ones that I rate the most highly for multiple formats.

 

1. prasidh -- has already played ODIs and T20s. should play tests ASAP; and be mostly restricted to ODIs and Tests. speed, bounce, skills, and control.

2. rana -- primarily tests and ODIs (for now). has potential to become shardul or shardul+ batter too

3. mayank yadav -- primarily ODIs and T20s (for now). has high speed, good control, and decent skills

4. kuldeep sen -- should play ODIs and maybe Tests, assuming he is fine post=injury. has high speed, good control, and good skills

5. kartik tyagi -- primarily ODIs and T20s (for now). has high speed, high skills, but poor control

6. raj bawa -- too raw, but can easily rise quickly through the ranks if he gets more batting and bowling chances. I see him as a better player than hardik. can bat in top 6/7 and bowl 7-8 overs in ODIs.

7. umran -- primarily T20s and ODIs, but only if he bowls fast, attacks stumps, and gets the ball to do a bit. has regressed of late.

8. Hangu -- bit similar to rana, but much more raw. can bowl quite fast and tonk well. has potential to be no. 8 after developing.

 

Overall, I feel that our pace reserves are doing well again. Need to get rid of Mukesh Coomer, Boobi Coomer, Undercutter, rishi dhawan, etc.

 

@express bowling@Mosher@Suhaan@singhvivek141@SRT100

[singhvivek141]

6 minutes ago, Vijy said:

bumrah will play for a few more years, as will shami, but we need to groom the next 5-6 players. these are the ones that I rate the most highly for multiple formats.

 

1. prasidh -- has already played ODIs and T20s. should play tests ASAP; and be mostly restricted to ODIs and Tests. speed, bounce, skills, and control.

2. rana -- primarily tests and ODIs (for now). has potential to become shardul or shardul+ batter too

3. mayank yadav -- primarily ODIs and T20s (for now). has high speed, good control, and decent skills

4. kuldeep sen -- should play ODIs and maybe Tests, assuming he is fine post=injury. has high speed, good control, and good skills

5. kartik tyagi -- primarily ODIs and T20s (for now). has high speed, high skills, but poor control

6. raj bawa -- too raw, but can easily rise quickly through the ranks if he gets more batting and bowling chances. I see him as a better player than hardik. can bat in top 6/7 and bowl 7-8 overs in ODIs.

7. umran -- primarily T20s and ODIs, but only if he bowls fast, attacks stumps, and gets the ball to do a bit. has regressed of late.

8. Hangu -- bit similar to rana, but much more raw. can bowl quite fast and tonk well. has potential to be no. 8 after developing.

 

Overall, I feel that our pace reserves are doing well again. Need to get rid of Mukesh Coomer, Boobi Coomer, Undercutter, rishi dhawan, etc.

 

@express bowling@Mosher@Suhaan@singhvivek141@SRT100

Nicely summarised....this WC bowling attack is a template for our selectors on how to pick the bowlers based on their skills. Selectors should look at the pace reserves mentioned above (plus Yudhvir & Gurnoor) and help them develop across formats.

 

Imagine instead of Bumrah & Shami if we were playing Mukesh Kumar & Bhuvi with Shardul as our backup pacer. I don't think we would even scratched 4-5 wins so far. The pace trio of Bumrah, Shami & Siraj has been relentless against the opposition.

 

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, singhvivek141 said:

Nicely summarised....this WC bowling attack is a template for our selectors on how to pick the bowlers based on their skills. Selectors should look at the pace reserves mentioned above (plus Yudhvir & Gurnoor) and help them develop across formats.

 

Imagine instead of Bumrah & Shami if we were playing Mukesh Kumar & Bhuvi with Shardul as our backup pacer. I don't think we would even scratched 4-5 wins so far. The pace trio of Bumrah, Shami & Siraj has been relentless against the opposition.

 

yes, it should be conditions based grooming. we need bowlers who check a min of 3 out of the following boxes, and the ones I listed do that:

 

1. high pace (should be high 130s minimum in terms of avg pace)

2. good control

3. yorkers/bouncers

4. swing/seam

5. extract bounce

6. batting ability

 

what I would like to see is the development of at least one "classical" swing bowler who can be a bit slower (avg pace of mid 130s), but would only play on certain SA, Eng, and NZ pitches (if they aid swing). in other words, someone like peak bhuvi or peak praveen, but with more pace

[singhvivek141]

Just now, Vijy said:

yes, it should be conditions based grooming. we need bowlers who check a min of 3 out of the following boxes, and the ones I listed do that:

 

1. high pace (should be high 130s minimum in terms of avg pace)

2. good control

3. yorkers/bouncers

4. swing/seam

5. extract bounce

6. batting ability

 

what I would like to see is the development of at least one "classical" swing bowler who can be a bit slower (avg pace of mid 130s), but would only play on certain SA, Eng, and NZ pitches (if they aid swing). in other words, someone like peak bhuvi or peak praveen, but with more pace

Mukesh Choudhary was one, sadly no news about him since last year VHT. He was a classical left armer, on the mould of Trent Boult.

Bumrah & Siraj are semi classical as well, they also swing the bowl if needed. 

Tyagi & Sen has potential too, but not 100% developed.

[Suhaan]

4 minutes ago, Vijy said:

yes, it should be conditions based grooming. we need bowlers who check a min of 3 out of the following boxes, and the ones I listed do that:

 

1. high pace (should be high 130s minimum in terms of avg pace)

2. good control

3. yorkers/bouncers

4. swing/seam

5. extract bounce

6. batting ability

 

what I would like to see is the development of at least one "classical" swing bowler who can be a bit slower (avg pace of mid 130s), but would only play on certain SA, Eng, and NZ pitches (if they aid swing). in other words, someone like peak bhuvi or peak praveen, but with more pace

And a little tall

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, singhvivek141 said:

Mukesh Choudhary was one, sadly no news about him since last year VHT. He was a classical left armer, on the mould of Trent Boult.

Bumrah & Siraj are semi classical as well, they also swing the bowl if needed. 

Tyagi & Sen has potential too, but not 100% developed.

yes, I had my eye on choudhary too. had many of the attributes that others do not possess. I agree that bumrah, siraj, sen, tyagi do get varying degrees of swing (especially boom), but I think there can be space for one classic swing bowler on some pitches