Some hard truths

[chewy]

32 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Abshishek sharma, Riyan Paragh. need to be drafted in. INdian set up would have been great if only Jadeja had the ability of Maxwell, Sky had the ability of David Miller. At times it is hard to tell the difference between them and tail.

This what i mean by short sightness of selectors and management.

 

Abshishek Sharma is not complete package, but has shown enough at early age as decent opening batsmen with big shots and bowl good offspin. He is also left handed. He should have been fast tracked two years back

 

Yet India was reduced to testing part timers against Netherlands lol

[BlueBlood]

3 minutes ago, Strangering said:

Agree with everything except putting Rohit in the same "stat chasing" category as Kohli. 

 

Rohit was consistently our best batsman this world cup (including today). He played a blinder to start the inning. 

Head closed the deal and Rohit didn't.

 

Nothing else matters.

 

Rohit got out to a part-timer and got the best batting conditions. If he wants to win the cup, he needs to play his best ever innings not Afridi style innings.

 

At international level the margins are thin. Champions show up and close the deal.

 

Cummins, Hazelwood and Starc on a slow pitch out performed their spinners. That should show you how they brought their best for the final.

 

Rohit needed to play a Travis Headesque innings or what Maxwell did with AFG.

 

Otherwise he is Afridi/Kishan level in terms of gifting wicket.

[dilliboy]

Sorry man...toss isn't a factor today. Do you really think Rohit would have decided to bowl first on a big final after it had backfired in 2003 and 2017. India were batting first, no matter what

 

Agree with the rest though 

[Sooda]

36 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Hope selectors and higher ups finally learn some bitter lessons and hard truths from another knockout debacle...

1. Batting depth
The only time we won the world cups was when we had likes of Binny, Madan Lal, Kirmani batting in the tail with batsmen till no. 7. In 2011 we had Raina at 7 with likes of Harbhajan and Zaheer in the tail who could actually hold a bat. I don't reacll any top heavy team who could only bat till 5 or 6 ever winning anything. Lack of depth also affects the other batsmen as they know if they fail it's curtains resulting in knocks which Kohli and KL played. But unfortunately don't think the board and higher ups care as rule such as "Impact Player" actually downplays the role of all-rounders.

2. Differentiate between formats
Can't really understand how the selectors can't see what most fans can, i.e. selecting players suitable to formats. Tests, Odis, and T20s are different formats with different skills & requirements. For a country like India, which has no dearth of decent players, we should not be struggling to force players into a format which they're not a good fit for. Playing Suryakumar Yadav ahead of Sarfraz Khan in Tests was a slap in the face of all Ranji and FC players. And someone like Rinku Singh would've been a much better fit in odis who has proven performance in List A (average of 50+) and has shown a temperament to perform under pressure. Haven't seen anything from SKY which shows he has a good temperament and there's a reason he averages 30 odd in List A. Even someone like Jaiswal would've been a better fit. Hopefully we have separate teams for the three formats and folks such as Jaiswal, Rinku Singh, Sarfraz Khan, Tilak Varma get their due.

3. Prioritize all-rounders and part timers
Goes back to the first point, i.e. batting depth. It's proven again we can't carry 5 no. 11s and a non-performing Jadeja (as a batsman) in the team. We have to prioritize getting folks who can roll their arms over a la Sehwag, and bowlers who can bat a bit such as Deepak Chahar. IMO Pandya was a big miss today as he wouldn't have shat the bed like SKY and gives you some balance. Hope the useles "Impact Player" gets thrown out and someone sees the light.

4. Move away from oldies
No point in continuing with the likes of Rohit, Kohli, Shami etc. who won't be there for the next tourney. And I hope we get away from this infatuation with 50s, 100s etc. I don't care about 100 100s etc. with 0 trophies. Give me folks like Head who actually perform when it matters. When we count SRT's 11 100s, and Kohli's 80 100s we haven't managed to win jack shyte. And someone like Head with probably 10 100s has managed to win 2 tourneys for Australia.

5. Hire a coach who understands modern cricket
For crying out loud get someone who understands modern cricket. Get someone like Stephen Fleming. Dravid hasn't shown anything so far, and we're still stuck in 90s with 5 no. 11s and specialists. Relying on Shami to blow the opponents away is not a long term strategy, and we need depth to be successful in the longer run and win something of note. At least the coach will come with a fresh perspective and move away from TTFs. I don't expect likes of Kohli, KL, Jadeja etc. to win anything of note and let the coach get the right players in the team.

And finally when we're the hosts, at least schedule knockouts at venues and time when toss doesn't play a huge role. We were lucky at Wankhede but expecting to win 2 consecutive tosses was asking for too much when we've barely won 2 tosses out of last 9 or 10 knockouts. Haven't seen a more unlucky team with the coin ever. And would be great if we actually have BCCI use its clout to have someone who's not Kettleborough be the umpire - we would at least get some umpire calls.

 

The lack of all rounders is a systematic issue , there is no one the selectors could have got in who is ready for a world cup.

 

Dravid did well, giving clear roles to team which worked. Only question I have is around the placid field placements

[Norman]

5 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

 

@Norman look this guy is back. He got so excited after Asia cup first game which got washed out that he even changed in DP. Then ekdum se waqt badal diye and the guy was hiding since 9th Sept until today

 

Yeah let them enjoy.. It's not even fun engaging them now. Minnow fans with minnow mentality...

 

 

[Austin 3:!6]

1 minute ago, badmash said:

Aapki humiliation mein hum shaamil na ho … aisa ho nahi sakta  

 

Dil samajtay ho dil ? Meray dil ko thandak pahunchi hay 

 

Humiliation was losing by 229 runs and 36/8  

 

India played superb cricket throughout only to be lost by a better side on the day.

 

Kisi aur team ke jeet pe khush ho raha hai chewtiye

 

 

[badmash]

3 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

 

Humiliation was losing by 229 runs and 36/8  

 

India played superb cricket throughout only to be lost by a better side on the day.

 

Kisi aur team ke jeet pe khush ho raha hai chewtiye

 

 

Haan jis tarha aur log khush hoye thay pak vs eng WT20 final walay game mein… apun bhi aaj khush horela hay 

 

sharam karo.. ghar mein 130 000 pure all India support (no aus support at all), us par bhi one sided har Gaye hahahahha

 

Sanjay manjrekar was saying during the game “India got beaten by conditions today” hahahahahaha Abay kuch to sharam karlo 

[cricspirit]

I know people will abuse old players and there is some truth in it. However at least for this world cup Rohit, Virat, Shami, Jadeja, KL Rahul.. all performed consistently to get us to the Final. They would have  enjoyed lot of fanfare had they won tonight but will fave the wrath now that we lost.

 

Not a singe junior player stood up.

 

Having said that the older folks need to go now.

 

Plus you need a title luck and that special performance to win a tournament final which we did not have today.  EVEN with 240 head wicket when he was struggling would have won it for us.

[Ultimate_Game]

1 minute ago, Sooda said:

 

The lack of all rounders is a systematic issue , there is no one the selectors could have got in who is ready for a world cup.

 

Dravid did well, giving clear roles to team which worked. Only question I have is around the placid field placements

 

And the sad part is that instead of addressing the issue, they're changing the rules by coming up with non-sense such as "Impact Player" to paper over the cracks during IPL. No doubt our superstars and team management would've backed the proposal. Dravid failed as he never addressed Plan B, i.e. what happens if Rohit got out early? Dravid is a coach straight for 80s with clear defined roles for 5 bowlers and 6 batsmen. This is 2023 and not 1990s FFS! His failure is in the team selection where we never had one single part timer. Someone like Jaiswal or even Riyan Parag who could roll his arm over similar to Maxwell or Head and give us depth in batting. TBH any of us can slot in 5 best bowlers and 6 best batsmen, and even there he failed by picking SKY who has failed continuously in Tests and ODIs. 

 

8 minutes ago, dilliboy said:

Sorry man...toss isn't a factor today. Do you really think Rohit would have decided to bowl first on a big final after it had backfired in 2003 and 2017. India were batting first, no matter what

 

Agree with the rest though 

 

Toss was a factor in the sense it's known Ahmedabad pitch plays well under lights and with dew. That's the reason Rohit was going for a par+ score so we can have the buffer. We needed at least 290-300 here. If conditions had remained the same, 240 was a competitive total - not a winning one though. Batsmen shat the bed other than Rohit and TBH after 80 from the first 10 overs, we should've managed a total of 280-300 easily.

[wanted_desi]

SKY experiment was bad, we should have had a proper batsman in place of him. 

 

[neel roy]

47 minutes ago, Strangering said:

You need match winners for the big games. The likes of Yuvraj Singh. His career stat line may not be legendary but he showed up when it mattered. 

He won us 2. Lost us the t20 2014 wc. But i ll give anything to have a player like him who gives us 7/8 overs on top of the batting

Edited November 19, 2023 by neel roy

[neel roy]

3 minutes ago, wanted_desi said:

SKY experiment was bad, we should have had a proper batsman in place of him. 

 

Who? Take your pic : ishan kishan, sanju samson? Tilak verma jaiswal not ready but should be drafted asap. 

[Austin 3:!6]

11 minutes ago, badmash said:

Haan jis tarha aur log khush hoye thay pak vs eng WT20 final walay game mein… apun bhi aaj khush horela hay 

 

sharam karo.. ghar mein 130 000 pure all India support (no aus support at all), us par bhi one sided har Gaye hahahahha

 

Sanjay manjrekar was saying during the game “India got beaten by conditions today” hahahahahaha Abay kuch to sharam karlo 

 

Troll...there is a difference. India beat Pakistan in that WT20 last year and Pak only fluked their way to finals bcoz SA choked against Netherlands. They didnt deserve to be in finals. India on the other hand has played brilliant cricket this world cup, remain undefeated and beaten your sorry a$$ team to oblivion twice in 2 months by humiliating margins. You coming here to take solace and cheer Australian team just bcoz your own team cannot beat India tells a lot abt your minnow mentality. Now go back to Cornered Tigers or Pakpassion or wherever you creeped from

Edited November 19, 2023 by Austin 3:!6

[badmash]

1 minute ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

 

Troll...there is a difference. India beat Pakistan in that WT20 last year and Pak only fluked their way to finals bcoz SA choked against Netherlands. They didnt deserve to be in finals. India on the other hand has played brilliant cricket this world cup, remain undefeated and beaten your sorry a$$ team to oblivion twice in 2 months by humiliating margins. You coming here to take solace and cheer Australian team just bcoz your own team cannot beat India tells a lot abt your minnow mentality. Now go back to Cornered Tigers or Pakpassion or wherever you creeped from

Kyu Kya mein Australia ko support nahi karsakta? Australia zindabad 

[Austin 3:!6]

1 minute ago, badmash said:

Kyu Kya mein Australia ko support nahi karsakta? Australia zindabad 

 

Beshak support kar....no problem. But dnt give silly excuse that you guys laughed at us in last Wt20 final so I am doing it too. Your team fluked their way to finals last time where India went to the finals as table topper and best team. 

[Suhaan]

50 minutes ago, badmash said:

Tum say na ho paye ga .. home conditions, full crowd support to the point where no other team support is present in the stadium… us par bhi haar gaye.. laanat hay 

Bhikmange tumse first round bh clear na ho payega terrorist

[Suhaan]

9 minutes ago, neel roy said:

He won us 2. Lost us the t20 2014 wc. But i ll give anything to have a player like him who gives us 7/8 overs on top of the batting

He was the biggest match winner in history of Inidan cricket

I would trade 10 Kohlis to get 1 Yuvraj

[badmash]

6 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

 

Beshak support kar....no problem. But dnt give silly excuse that you guys laughed at us in last Wt20 final so I am doing it too. Your team fluked their way to finals last time where India went to the finals as table topper and best team. 

Pak went to finals because they peaked at right time. Just like how aus peaked at right time. Chalo us ko choro, You guys laughed during 152-0 wala WC when pak played aus in semi .. usmay to pak nay India ko jota Mara tha na? Yaad hay na Wade Wade? Hahahhha 

 

Edited November 19, 2023 by Austin 3:!6

[aditya19]

56 minutes ago, badmash said:

Tum say na ho paye ga .. home conditions, full crowd support to the point where no other team support is present in the stadium… us par bhi haar gaye.. laanat hay 

Useles dude. Had india won.. pitch doctored, bcci conspiracy , match fixing, rohit kohli farewell etc. Abhi home condirions, crowd support etc phir bhi haar gye kar rahe ho.

Edited November 19, 2023 by aditya19

[Suhaan]

2 minutes ago, badmash said:

Pak went to finals because they peaked at right time. Just like how aus peaked at right time. Chalo us ko choro, You guys laughed during 152-0 wala WC when pak played aus in semi .. usmay to pak nay India ko jota Mara tha na? Yaad hay na Wade Wade? Hahahhha 

 

aaj to Aus nay kutto ki tarha  dhoya on home ground 

bhikhari kal ki bheekh mangne ki planning kar yaha behes mat kar