Is Bihar a lost cause ?

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State	Initial Per Capita GDP	Final Per Capita GDP	Percentage Change
Uttar Pradesh	41771	47066	12.68% increase
West Bengal	64007	75561	18.05% increase
Tamil Nadu	133029	166727	25.33% increase
Kerala	137181	148810	8.48% increase upto 2021
Telangana	131503	169006	28.52% increase
Karnataka	140745	176383	25.32% increase
Bihar	26719	31280	17.07% increase

 

 

Updated the list with Bihar included. 

 

Even Bihar has grown faster than UP and topic is Bihar is hopeless.

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Growth in NET STATE VALUE ADDED BY ECONOMIC ACTIVITY - MANUFACTURING (2017-2022)

 

West Bengal 34%

Telangana 39%

Tamil Nadu 28%

Karnataka 11%

Bihar 22%

UP 23%

 

https://rbidocs.rbi.org.in/rdocs/Publications/PDFs/38T_151120233B8CAAF786AF4704A0EAE9D1DD2E0AC9.PDF

 

Bihar seems to be doing as decent as UP.

[coffee_rules]

@Trichromatic to @ravishingravi …. 
 

 

#Ghamandia Tejaswi Yadav :
Bihar has best Infrastructure and highest GDP !!! pic.twitter.com/rzsBONvzlA

— Gems Of Ghamandia (@GemsOfGhamandia) September 2, 2023

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4 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

@Trichromatic to @ravishingravi …. 
 

 

 

Didn't know that Tejaswi Yadav controls and writes report for RBI.

[coffee_rules]

2 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Didn't know that Tejaswi Yadav controls and writes report for RBI.

The OP was about how caste politics has brought Bihar down when compared to other backward states like Odisha in last 40 years. Recent growth rates of is not an indication  of tarakki as they will be higher for states that are in catch-up growth phase

Edited December 18, 2023 by coffee_rules

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3 hours ago, randomGuy said:

'At least two Indian states, Maharashtra and Uttar Pradesh, will break the $500 billion mark in 2027 (or FY28) when India achieves the third place in global economy, adding the Yogi Adityanath-ruled northern state is the ''land of the midnight sun''.'

 

https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/economy/story/india-to-become-worlds-third-largest-economy-by-fy28-two-states-will-break-500-bn-mark-sbi-ecowrap-391550-2023-07-27

 

Also, One should not compare UP with any other state in per capita GDP because of the size of UP. Smaller states tend to have higher per capita GDP, for ex. Delhi Goa Sikkim have 1.5-2x the per capita GDP of TN in the link which you shared. 

 

Maharashtra is at 486 billion already and may hit 500 billion in 2024-25.

 

Other states are like Tamil Nadu, Gujarat, Karnataka, UP are around 320 billion and all are likely to become 500 billion by 2030.

[G_B_]

I think its the yadavs block voting which is the issue in bihar.

 

Bihar overall has done well under Nitish rule. Gdsp ppp per capita is $2800. Needs to double for poverty ( absolute poverty to reduce to under 5%) to be eliminated. 

 

Up benefits from proximity to Delhi ncr. Bihar needed Kolkata to be a booming economy. That has not happened. If you dissect Up the ncr regions are driving growth. Eastern Up is on same level as bihar.

 

 

[Trichromatic]

Bihar's high rate of growth over 5-10 years doesn't count as tarakki because it's in catch up phase.

 

UP low per capita GDP doesn't count because it's large state.

 

High growth rate of southern states doesn't count and should be considered hopeless.

 

Low growth rate of UP in catch up phase should be treated very highly and as brightest hope of the country.

 

Bihar should be considered lost cause despite growing faster than UP because of xyz reasons.

[randomGuy]

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/uttar-pradesh-outpace-tamil-nadu-gujarat-to-become-the-second-largest-economy-in-india-report/articleshow/106078632.cms

 

Uttar Pradesh outpaces Tamil Nadu to become the second-largest economy in India: Report

 

 

[randomGuy]

12 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Bihar's high rate of growth over 5-10 years doesn't count as tarakki because it's in catch up phase.

 

UP low per capita GDP doesn't count because it's large state.

 

High growth rate of southern states doesn't count and should be considered hopeless.

 

Low growth rate of UP in catch up phase should be treated very highly and as brightest hope of the country.

 

Bihar should be considered lost cause despite growing faster than UP because of xyz reasons.

Smaller states point is actually a valid point if you look at gdp per capita of the countries of the world. 

 

In India as per data shared by you

 

GDP per capita of smaller states such as Goa is 3,10,000, Delhi is 2,70,000 Sikkim is 260000 which is 1.5-2x of southern states ....

Edited December 20, 2023 by randomGuy

[randomGuy]

Another major factor for lower GDP per capita (as of now) for UP Bihar is the relatively higher dependent ratio particularly age 0-14. Age 15-59 is the age population which produces ...for UP it's 60% , for TN is 72%....it means 60% of 23 cr. UP population and 72% of 8 cr people... that also affects GDP per capita....

 

On the other hand, it means TN will have older people and UP more working age people percentage in near to medium future.

Edited December 20, 2023 by randomGuy

[coffee_rules]

12 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Bihar's high rate of growth over 5-10 years doesn't count as tarakki because it's in catch up phase.

 

UP low per capita GDP doesn't count because it's large state.

 

High growth rate of southern states doesn't count and should be considered hopeless.

 

Low growth rate of UP in catch up phase should be treated very highly and as brightest hope of the country.

 

Bihar should be considered lost cause despite growing faster than UP because of xyz reasons.

I have heard eminent economists use the same logic. I was merely paraphrasing them. India’s high GDP growth rate is explained as catch-up with other economies , hence obviously high. The higher absolute GDP is obvious because of higher population. 
 

Bihar might be growing steadily, but you can’t deny that for 30 years of Yadav rule has brought down Bihar as one of the most backward states in India.
 

 

[Trichromatic]

 

WB is close 2nd in lost cause list and yet poverty index of Gujarat is similar to that of WB.

 

UP with 22% is beacon of hope when compared to hopeless states like TN with 2% and entire 5 states of south.

 

 

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Since Uttar Pradesh is now the land of the midnight sun, I suppose there's no need for tax revenue from Maharashtra , SI and other states to flow into Uttar Pradesh anymore. Im sure they can manage fairly well without it now.

[ash]

On 12/20/2023 at 12:12 AM, randomGuy said:

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/uttar-pradesh-outpace-tamil-nadu-gujarat-to-become-the-second-largest-economy-in-india-report/articleshow/106078632.cms

 

Uttar Pradesh outpaces Tamil Nadu to become the second-largest economy in India: Report

 

 

good thread to go through.

https://x.com/Saiarav/status/1736639997338599804?s=20

 

[coffee_rules]

Bihar se UP kaise pahunchgaye? 

[Trichromatic]

On 12/20/2023 at 5:42 AM, randomGuy said:

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/uttar-pradesh-outpace-tamil-nadu-gujarat-to-become-the-second-largest-economy-in-india-report/articleshow/106078632.cms

 

Uttar Pradesh outpaces Tamil Nadu to become the second-largest economy in India: Report

 

 

Not confirmed by any official source.

[Trichromatic]

On 12/20/2023 at 5:56 AM, randomGuy said:

Smaller states point is actually a valid point if you look at gdp per capita of the countries of the world. 

 

In India as per data shared by you

 

GDP per capita of smaller states such as Goa is 3,10,000, Delhi is 2,70,000 Sikkim is 260000 which is 1.5-2x of southern states ....

 

Those are smallest states, while other are still large states of India, so no it's not a valid point.

 

Giving examples of tiny states while comparing top 10 states of India doesn't mean anything.

 

Otherwise Tamil Nadu wouldn't have larger economy than UP.

[randomGuy]

On 12/21/2023 at 7:23 PM, Trichromatic said:

 

Those are smallest states, while other are still large states of India, so no it's not a valid point.

 

Giving examples of tiny states while comparing top 10 states of India doesn't mean anything.

 

Otherwise Tamil Nadu wouldn't have larger economy than UP.

Take the case of one smaller state carved out of a larger state

1. Chattisgarh 1.3x GDP per capita to that of MP

2. Jharkhand 2x GDP per capita to that of Bihar

3. Uttarakhand 3.5x GDP per capita to that of UP.

 

There are legitimate reasons which I can think of, why smaller states have more GDP per capita on average than larger states..

[Trichromatic]

2 hours ago, randomGuy said:

Take the case of one smaller state carved out of a larger state

1. Chattisgarh 1.3x GDP per capita to that of MP

2. Jharkhand 2x GDP per capita to that of Bihar

3. Uttarakhand 3.5x GDP per capita to that of UP.

 

There are legitimate reasons which I can think of, why smaller states have more GDP per capita on average than larger states..

 

And larger states have larger GDP.

 

TABLE 30: NET STATE DOMESTIC PRODUCT (in lakh)

 

https://rbidocs.rbi.org.in/rdocs/Publications/PDFs/30T_15112023327A5701AD0D4190BE86191A48792DA8.PDF

 

Maharashtra - 173118894 (2022)

Tamil Nadu - 127987821 (2023)

Karnataka - 119085053 (2023)

Gujarat - 119761271 (2022)

Telangana + Andhra Pradesh - 129786924 (2023)

UP - 110460765 (2023)

 

Yet UP with higher population and lower GDP is preferable than 5 hopeless states of south.

 

Even WB and Kerala which are considered lost cause are combined over 127085829 (Kerala 2022 and WB 2023) with just 60% population of UP.