rollingstoned Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 I thought the one yday was much more not out than the Vizag one. Link to comment
cowboysfan Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 On 2/5/2024 at 9:30 PM, sensible-indian said: This umpires call scam has to end tho. Factor in error percentage and decide how much the error % should be for a decision to be out or not in case of marginal calls. Or decide the impact % for decision to be out or not out. isnt that what umpires call does? it is giving a percentage on marginal calls whether it is out or not Link to comment
diga Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 On 2/6/2024 at 9:52 AM, SRT100 said: There is a reason why in Australia, the English are referred to as the whinging Poms. Even with a neutral DRS they claim bias. Neutral? Isnt Hawkeye software owned by an Englishman? Frustrated and SRT100 2 Link to comment
SRT100 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 21 minutes ago, diga said: Neutral? Isnt Hawkeye software owned by an Englishman? Probably of Indian heritage. Vijy 1 Link to comment
Frustrated Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 (edited) The fundamental rule of bazball is that Eng batting can't fail. If it fails, always ensure that the captain(stokes) comes up with any one or all of the following excuses. 1) Moral victory achieved due to x, y, z reason. And/or 2) Technology got many decisions wrong. So our batters couldn't hv done much about it. And/or 3) A lot of umpire's call (DRS) went in opponent's favour. Luck favoured the opponent. Umpire's call must be removed from DRS. So, there is either a victory or a moral victory irrespective of the outcome. Edited February 19 by Frustrated Link to comment
R!TTER Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, diga said: Isnt Hawkeye software owned by an Englishman? No it's owned by Sony. Link to comment
sensible-indian Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 3 hours ago, cowboysfan said: isnt that what umpires call does? it is giving a percentage on marginal calls whether it is out or not It assumes umpires knows best during marginal calls. Which is a flawed assumption. If umpires felt differently, half of England's dismissals yesterday would be not out. Link to comment
sensible-indian Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 All the umpires calls yesterday flatters England. All those dismissals looked plumb. Still time to get rid of this umpires call. Kron 1 Link to comment
diga Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 29 minutes ago, R!TTER said: No it's owned by Sony. Originally developed by Englishmen and still headquartered in England Link to comment
R!TTER Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Yes but Sony bought them some time last decade, it's a wholly owned subsidiary(?) of Sony now. Link to comment
goose Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 abolishing umpires call makes the target bigger which changes the sport, leave it alone. yesterday's marginal Crawley dismissal showed the seam of the ball hitting the very top of leg. very unlucky but still out. Link to comment
cowboysfan Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, sensible-indian said: It assumes umpires knows best during marginal calls. Which is a flawed assumption. If umpires felt differently, half of England's dismissals yesterday would be not out. as it should be.you have to remember why we have DRS in the first place,to get rid of howlers.the crawley LBW look plumb live and that is why the bowling team and umpire thought so.imo players are not using DRS in the spirit it was used for and that is why the angst. Link to comment
sensible-indian Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) 20 minutes ago, cowboysfan said: as it should be.you have to remember why we have DRS in the first place,to get rid of howlers.the crawley LBW look plumb live and that is why the bowling team and umpire thought so.imo players are not using DRS in the spirit it was used for and that is why the angst. England looked plumb so it worked out in this test. But it doesn't always happen. The umpires make crazy mistakes all the time. But we are to assume they will make an accurate guess on a marginal call. The fundamental assumption is wrong. A batsmen being out or not out literally depends on an umpires mood. Umpires call overrules DRS in such cases. It's like the soft signal scam. If a fielder acts like he has taken the catch, the umpire will give the soft signal as out. And if a fielder is honest, the umpire might give it not out and all the onus is on the proving the umpire wrong. Same delivery. Different outcome. Based on how well a fielder acts. Better option is to simply define what % of the ball is hitting the stumps...or what error margins is considered out...and be done with it. It's a much fairer system than the monstrosity we have now. Edited February 19 by sensible-indian Link to comment
sensible-indian Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 minute ago, sensible-indian said: England looked plumb so it worked out in this test. But it doesn't always happen. The umpires make crazy mistakes all the time. But we are to assume they will make an accurate guess on a marginal call. The fundamental assumption is wrong. A batsmen being out or not out literally depends on an umpires mood. Umpires call overrules DRS in such cases. It's like the soft signal scam. If a fielder acts like he has taken the catch, the umpire will give the soft signal as out. And if a fielder is honest, the umpire might give it not out and all the onus is on the proving the umpire wrong. Same delivery. Different outcome. Based on how well a fielder acts. Better option is to simply define what % of the ball is hitting the stumps...or what error margins is considered out...and be done with it. It's a much fairer system than the monstrosity we have now. Pure technology will still throw up weird results Like Tendulkar's lbw against Ajmal Marnus Labuchayne lbw against Ashwin in Melbourne Elgar lbw in SA 2021 All looked plumb but the instances of a technology acting up is wayyyyy lesser than an umpire having a bad day. Link to comment
sensible-indian Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) 10 minutes ago, sensible-indian said: Pure technology will still throw up weird results Like Tendulkar's lbw against Ajmal Marnus Labuchayne lbw against Ashwin in Melbourne Elgar lbw in SA 2021 All looked plumb but the instances of a technology acting up is wayyyyy lesser than an umpire having a bad day. Another interesting fact is that when technology truly messes up, they override the umpire anyway. When the ball is missing the stumps, the umpires decision is irrelevant. So might as well use technology for marginal calls where they will do a better job than umpires. Edited February 19 by sensible-indian Link to comment
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