Paris Olympics 2024 Discussion Thread

[bharathh]

1 minute ago, coffee_rules said:

Jinxing Rule #1: Don't reveal it. 

 

Whole of Asia play it now. Why not? 

 

Games like Sepaktakraw, Squash, Compound Archery, Kabaddi are more universal than these US centric games.

[putrevus]

8 minutes ago, bharathh said:

Other teams were able to beat India because the other teams changed the surface and the nature of the game. Where is the growth in places like South America or Asia or Africa? Maybe it should not be in the Olympics till other teams across the world at least have a chance?

Argentina won gold medal beating  USA in Athens in 2004.Italy won Silver there.USA got only Bronze.

 

Now Australia which had few Number 1 draft picks is a very good team. Serbia is a great team.

 

The centre who is playing for USA is a naturalized citizen but is from Africa. There are lot of great basket ball players born in Africa. Teams will also come from there. It takes time.

 

Edited August 6, 2024 by putrevus

[bharathh]

Just now, putrevus said:

Argentina won gold medal beating  USA in Athens in 2004.Italy won Silver there.USA got only Bronze.

 

Now Australia which had few Number 1 draft picks is a very good team. Serbia is a great team.

 

The centre who is playing for USA is a naturalized citizen but is from Africa. There are lot great basked ball players born in Africa. Teams will also come.

Point is it shouldn't be an Olympic sport without more teams. The glamour is the NBA - not the Olympics. Same as tennis. This is just a cheap way for the US to win 2 guaranteed medals.

[maniac]

44 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

Why were you laughing @maniac, @AuxiliA, @Sgattick10 

 

You were not supporting?

I am supporting her……now

[maniac]

4 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Semis means medal right? In wrestling @maniac Time for you to join INDI jhatbandhan

Gold chahiye Gold

[New guy]

10 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Jinxing Rule #1: Don't reveal it. 

 

Whole of Asia play it now. Why not? 

Nah, it's like the placebo effect, it works even if you know you are faking it.

[Kron]

17 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

No, they didn't surpass India. They changed the rules. The biggest change was moving away from natural grass to astro turf. Playing hockey on grass needed a great amount of skill to control the ball on the field as grass/natural field isn't as flat as astro turf so you need skill to maintain control on the ball.

 

Next they gradually changed the rules with emphasis on Penalty Corner, fitness and speed instead of skills. Earlier hockey used to be similar to football with a lot of game played in the midfield. Now it's no longer the case. They've made it end-to-end sport and majority of the game is played at either end. The main players are not skillful midfielders but someone who is good at converting PCs.

 

The game is unrecognizable from what it used to be. Instead of catching up and getting better, Europeans simply changed the rules and made the game to align with their strengths - speed, fitness, stamina and strength - instead of skill. That's why Pakistan is a non-entity these days, and kudos to India they're still competing.

 

This scenario would be equivalent to US taking over cricket and changing rules to make the game 60 pitches per side (10 overs), bowler shouldn't be allowed to bounce/pitch the ball on the pitch, and the ball should be below batsman's waist. This is what Europeans did to hockey, and didn't really "catch up and surpass" India.

Indians are also fit and strong. But I agree PC killed hockey a hit. The bogus rules around PC, astro turf etc all aided European teams. 

 

Also the rubbish calls we get from refs. 

 

Main difference is India lost interest after cricket blossomed. Wasn't given the same importance since 70s. Hockey lost its lustre. 

 

India can't afford as many astro turfs too which dint help. Obviously now things are changing. 

[deathmonger]

9 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Argentina won gold medal beating  USA in Athens in 2004.Italy won Silver there.USA got only Bronze.

 

Now Australia which had few Number 1 draft picks is a very good team. Serbia is a great team.

 

The centre who is playing for USA is a naturalized citizen but is from Africa. There are lot of great basket ball players born in Africa. Teams will also come from there. It takes time.

 

That was not full strength US team though.

 

US usually send a couple of stars with newbies.

 

Exception was 92 Dream Team and the current one assembled by Lebron.

[deathmonger]

12 minutes ago, bharathh said:

 

Games like Sepaktakraw, Squash, Compound Archery, Kabaddi are more universal than these US centric games.

Compound Archery and cricket should be permanently included.

 

Kabaddi they should try and make it big this next decade so can still keep it post Olympics.

[Real McCoy]

17 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

No, they didn't surpass India. They changed the rules. The biggest change was moving away from natural grass to astro turf. Playing hockey on grass needed a great amount of skill to control the ball on the field as grass/natural field isn't as flat as astro turf so you need skill to maintain control on the ball.

 

Next they gradually changed the rules with emphasis on Penalty Corner, fitness and speed instead of skills. Earlier hockey used to be similar to football with a lot of game played in the midfield. Now it's no longer the case. They've made it end-to-end sport and majority of the game is played at either end. The main players are not skillful midfielders but someone who is good at converting PCs.

 

The game is unrecognizable from what it used to be. Instead of catching up and getting better, Europeans simply changed the rules and made the game to align with their strengths - speed, fitness, stamina and strength - instead of skill. That's why Pakistan is a non-entity these days, and kudos to India they're still competing.

 

This scenario would be equivalent to US taking over cricket and changing rules to make the game 60 pitches per side (10 overs), bowler shouldn't be allowed to bounce/pitch the ball on the pitch, and the ball should be below batsman's waist. This is what Europeans did to hockey, and didn't really "catch up and surpass" India.

 

another point is no 3rd world country can produce artificial astroturf pitches. case in point even a developing country like India only has 40 something astroturf while netherlands, a small country in size but well developed has 600. it is not a stick and ball game no more, its also artificial expensive pitch game. no wondr european countries are doing well in this sport

[Kron]

9 minutes ago, bharathh said:

Point is it shouldn't be an Olympic sport without more teams. The glamour is the NBA - not the Olympics. Same as tennis. This is just a cheap way for the US to win 2 guaranteed medals.

USA are rubbish in singles tennis. Since roddick retired there is no one. 

 

They win only shitty doubl3s or mixed ones. Women's yea they win there. Cause of atg Serena the goat. 

 

In the most prestigious category which is males singles they lose very often

[bharathh]

Just now, Kron said:

Indians are also fit and strong. But I agree PC killed hockey a hit. The bogus rules around PC, astro turf etc all aided European teams. 

 

Also the rubbish calls we get from refs. 

 

Main difference is India lost interest after cricket blossomed. Wasn't given the same importance since 70s. Hockey lost its lustre. 

 

India can't afford as many astro turfs too which dint help. Obviously now things are changing. 

PCs make the game boring. Although I want India to do well I can't watch hockey games with interest anymore. There is little to no dribbling or skill. It's just run as fast as you can to the other side and try to hit the body of the opponent and set up to win. It's like football becoming a game only with penalties, corner kicks and free kicks. In fact, I think PC should be removed from hockey to make it more free flowing. have penalties and corners like football 

[Kron]

3 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

 

another point is no 3rd world country can produce artificial astroturf pitches. case in point even a developing country like India only has 40 something astroturf while netherlands, a small country in size but well developed has 600. it is not a stick and ball game no more, its also artificial expensive pitch game. no wondr european countries are doing well in this sport

Any game that requires cosnidebly financing is very hard for indiansnto thrive in as we just don't have access to such funding. Unless gov sanctions it like China did with state sponsored programs. 

Edited August 6, 2024 by Kron

[bharathh]

Just now, Kron said:

USA are rubbish in singles tennis. Since roddick retired there is no one. 

 

They win only shitty doubl3s or mixed ones. Women's yea they win there. Cause of atg Serena the goat. 

 

In the most prestigious category which is males singles they lose very often

Tennis is still played by everyone in the world. It is not a high-barrier sport. There are participants from all corners of the world and it's not like the medallists are guaranteed to be from 1 country.

[Kron]

2 minutes ago, bharathh said:

PCs make the game boring. Although I want India to do well I can't watch hockey games with interest anymore. There is little to no dribbling or skill. It's just run as fast as you can to the other side and try to hit the body of the opponent and set up to win. It's like football becoming a game only with penalties, corner kicks and free kicks. In fact, I think PC should be removed from hockey to make it more free flowing. have penalties and corners like football 

Yea chip the body lol to win a foul. So stupid. 

[maniac]

1 minute ago, bharathh said:

PCs make the game boring. Although I want India to do well I can't watch hockey games with interest anymore. There is little to no dribbling or skill. It's just run as fast as you can to the other side and try to hit the body of the opponent and set up to win. It's like football becoming a game only with penalties, corner kicks and free kicks. In fact, I think PC should be removed from hockey to make it more free flowing. have penalties and corners like football 

I think Astro turf makes it a more power game than skill unlike grass fields like most young  Indian hockey players start on.

 

similar to how White powers got the short ball  limit to counter WI fast bowlers or spirit of cricket crap they use to flaunt rules in their favor.

 

 

[Ultimate_Game]

2 minutes ago, Kron said:

Indians are also fit and strong. But I agree PC killed hockey a hit. The bogus rules around PC, astro turf etc all aided European teams. 

 

Also the rubbish calls we get from refs. 

 

Main difference is India lost interest after cricket blossomed. Wasn't given the same importance since 70s. Hockey lost its lustre. 

 

India can't afford as many astro turfs too which dint help. Obviously now things are changing. 

 

India lost interest in Hockey due to all the rule changes as well and move to Astro Turf. After all these changes, hockey was no longer the sport of the masses as access to astro turf was nearly impossible for the majority. At one point we only had 3-4 astro turs across the whole country!

 

Watch a hockey game from 70s on YT and compare it to what you see on TV these days. It's like a different sport entirely.

[Ultimate_Game]

5 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

 

another point is no 3rd world country can produce artificial astroturf pitches. case in point even a developing country like India only has 40 something astroturf while netherlands, a small country in size but well developed has 600. it is not a stick and ball game no more, its also artificial expensive pitch game. no wondr european countries are doing well in this sport

 

Yup. I recall at one point India only had 3-4 astro turfs across the whole country! How can you compete in a sport which changed so rapidly?

[bharathh]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

I think Astro turf makes it a more power game than skill unlike grass fields like most young  Indian hockey players start on.

 

similar to how White powers got the short ball  limit to counter WI fast bowlers or spirit of cricket crap they use to flaunt rules in their favor.

 

 

Astro-turf is fine. It makes the game fast. Remove PCs and make field goals the main way to score and field hockey will become a more popular mass sport.

[maniac]

Just now, bharathh said:

Astro-turf is fine. It makes the game fast. Remove PCs and make field goals the main way to score and field hockey will become a more popular mass sport.

Hockey already removes the off side rule right? Cant get rid of PC bro, its like getting rid of LBW in cricket.