Abhimanyu Easwaran

[Vk1]

5 hours ago, sandeep said:

Badri was good, very good but not that great.  Unlucky for sure with the clog in the middle order. Honestly even Rahane was bit unlucky, spent some of his best years waiting for his chance.

Rahane imo holds our record for most number of tests with lowest impactful

performances.

[tweaker]

11 hours ago, Gollum said:

Unluckiest Indian cricketer in a long long time. This gen's Amol Mazumdar. 

Then there are Ankit Bawne,Baba Aparajit,Jalaj Saxena ,Siddesh Lad

[rkt.india]

23 minutes ago, tweaker said:

Then there are Ankit Bawne,Baba Aparajit,Jalaj Saxena ,Siddesh Lad

None of them are international quality.  Lad hasn't been very good even in domestic cricket. If they don't average 50 or more in domestic cricket, they are unlikely to do well in test cricket. Even 50+ FC average is no guarantee of test success. Great example Badrinath.

[Gollum]

3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

His domestic record is okayish, averages 48 which is nothing earth shattering for FC cricket. Used to be inconsistent. Only now he started scoring regularly.

Wasim Jaffer just 50, Pravin Amre 48, Amol M 46. Domestic pitches not necessarily easy.

Edited October 16, 2024 by Gollum

[Gollum]

11 hours ago, gattaca said:

Amre was good too ?

Yeah, but at least he played 11 tests, 37 ODIs.

 

Easwaran may never represent India, neither does he play in IPL. 

Edited October 16, 2024 by Gollum

[Gollum]

18 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

None of them are international quality.  Lad hasn't been very good even in domestic cricket. If they don't average 50 or more in domestic cricket, they are unlikely to do well in test cricket. Even 50+ FC average is no guarantee of test success. Great example Badrinath.

Murali Vijay FC average 41.86

 

61 tests for India, average almost 39, 12 100s. Played on some tough pitches as well, even at home. 

[Gollum]

9 hours ago, bowl_out said:

S Badrinath comes to mind.

Dude was averaging 60 something in domestics, but got to play some 2-3 Tests. He didn't look like he belonged at the international level, but deserved a longer rope given his domestic exploits 

Got just 3 innings against peak Steyn, scored a 50. 

 

Should have been preferred over Yuvraj/Raina once Ganguly left the scene. Both those guys were horrible in red ball cricket. 

[Chakdephatte]

There was Mayank Agarwal who kept dominating domestic cricket before making debut at 29. Had some two good years and then became a sitting duck and got dropped. 

 

There was Hanuma Vihari who averaged 60 in Ranji Trophy but as we saw in international cricket, he did not even have a lot of scoring options. 

 

Shreyas Iyer had crazy numbers in Ranji and scored 200 on tour games every time before making his debut. Has been average in test cricket. 

 

 

Currently, there are players like Manish Pandey, Baba Indrajith, Prithvi Shaw who have better numbers than Easwaran. And Shaw is considered a failure by many. Domestic cricket is bit crazy in that respect. 

 

[tweaker]

Many of the players are selected after a succesful.u 19 world cup.They they get selected in IPL and are directly selected in team India.

 

Many times domestic performers are ignored and rookie players from IPL are directly selected ,inspite of not playing in domestic cricket.ie Mayank Yadav.

 

Siraj ,Sarfaraz were ignored for many season inspite of performing very well in domestic and A games.

 

[rkt.india]

30 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Murali Vijay FC average 41.86

 

61 tests for India, average almost 39, 12 100s. Played on some tough pitches as well, even at home. 

That's the point 39 which isn't any great especially if you play lot of tests in India, you must average at least 40-45 as an opener. Sehwag despite poor overseas, averages close to 50. 

[Gollum]

Just now, rkt.india said:

That's the point 39 which isn't any great especially if you play lot of tests in India, you must average at least 40-45 as an opener. Sehwag despite poor overseas, averages close to 50. 

Not great, but passable. Gambhir who played on flatter pitches in 2000s averages 41 odd. These are openers. 

 

Dada as middle order averaged 42, Rahane 38, Pujara 43. 

 

Real disappointments are Yuvraj (avg 33), Raina (26).

[Chakdephatte]

Just now, Gollum said:

Not great, but passable. Gambhir who played on flatter pitches in 2000s averages 41 odd. These are openers. 

 

Dada as middle order averaged 42, Rahane 38, Pujara 43. 

 

Real disappointments are Yuvraj (avg 33), Raina (26).

All of them you named are either underachievers, if not disappointments. Including Vijay. 

 

Ganguly is simply an overrated test cricketer. 

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Not great, but passable. Gambhir who played on flatter pitches in 2000s averages 41 odd. These are openers. 

 

Dada as middle order averaged 42, Rahane 38, Pujara 43. 

 

Real disappointments are Yuvraj (avg 33), Raina (26).

Pujara regressed in the last few years. Otherwise he too averaged 50 for the most part. 40-45 in today's bowling friendly conditions is fine. Rahane was inconsistent.  He played many good innings but never had a big series like Kohli and Pujara. So remained a middling batsman. 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, tweaker said:

Then there are Ankit Bawne,Baba Aparajit,Jalaj Saxena ,Siddesh Lad

Priyank panchal is also among those unlucky cricketers.

 

Faiz Fazal got capped in Zimbabwe ODI some years back like Kedar Jadhav 

[rkt.india]

6 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Priyank panchal is also among those unlucky cricketers.

 

Faiz Fazal got capped in Zimbabwe ODI some years back like Kedar Jadhav 

You can name many such players like Paras Dogra, Yashpal Singh both 50 average in domestic 100+ games. Rajat Paliwal 93 games 46 average. Still active. 

[bowl_out]

6 hours ago, Gollum said:

Got just 3 innings against peak Steyn, scored a 50. 

 

Should have been preferred over Yuvraj/Raina once Ganguly left the scene. Both those guys were horrible in red ball cricket. 

Exactly. Should have played at least 10 tests instead of bringing Yuvraj/Raina into Tests

[sandeep]

8 hours ago, tweaker said:

Then there are Ankit Bawne,Baba Aparajit,Jalaj Saxena ,Siddesh Lad

Lad I think aint that great. Haven't ever seen Jalaj play, but his numbers are solid.  Jaddu I guess trumped him though and deservedly so.

[sandeep]

6 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Pujara regressed in the last few years. Otherwise he too averaged 50 for the most part. 40-45 in today's bowling friendly conditions is fine. Rahane was inconsistent.  He played many good innings but never had a big series like Kohli and Pujara. So remained a middling batsman. 

Rahane an underachiever relative to ability - kinda like KLPD. 

[sandeep]

11 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Ajinkya Rahane for WTC on basis of IPL.

SKY

Shreyas Iyer

KS Bharath

 

IPL gives recognition and instant fame. Player rise through ranks quickly.

 

Biggest example of lobbying in recent years, Mukesh Kumar. Ganguly backed him endlessly coz he plays for DC, became an all 3 format bowler. NO such favour for Akashdeep. Who rose through ranks and still only playing one format i.e. Tests.

Sanju Samson is another example of lobbying, Gaekwad is next in line. Getting precedence over Sai Sudharshan.

if you think Samson is in the mix for selection due to "lobbying" I don't know what to tell you.

 

Samson is a legit batting talent with obvious skill - he has issues with consistency and shot selection at times, but don't forget, Rohit Sharma was derided as similarly talented but 'useless maggi noodles' for quite some time until he found a slot that worked for him as ODI Opener. Sanju I believe is a good #3 in ODIs and T20s, but hasn't gotten an extended consistent run at that slot.  Lot of his 'chances' were in the lower middle order.

 

I believe in Samson's ability.  I know he's not delivered, but I think he's got that 'something special' that great batters have. 

 

 

You're just listing a bunch of selections that you 'dont like' or disagree with and pretending that its because of lobbying.  Each and every player you listed had logical arguments in their favor from Bharath (who I also didn't rate btw) to Iyer to Sky and even Jinx. 

 

This the mindset of folks who believe celebrity gossip as 'news'.

Edited October 16, 2024 by sandeep

[cricspirit]

7 hours ago, rkt.india said:

That's the point 39 which isn't any great especially if you play lot of tests in India, you must average at least 40-45 as an opener. Sehwag despite poor overseas, averages close to 50. 

 

Sehwag was once in a generation player. Completely different to anyone being discussed. A freak batter. 

 

I still considered Vijay to be a better batter than his average shows. 

Edited October 16, 2024 by cricspirit