We got away with our bowling .. need to have a good balance

[straighttalk]

All said and done Bumrah magic saved us .that and Siraj rediscovering a part of his form.

But truth be told before the test..I was shocked to see the bowling attack

 

Bumrah - atg in making ..no doubt

Siraj- second in line but woefully out of form

Rana- making his debut. His performance showed that he has promise and will develop over time.

Reddy- he is marsh or slightly better version of Ganguly. Not Pandya or Thakur in bowling. He is a 6th baller not 4th.

 

Washy- he should be played as a batting allrounder and not a sole spinner. Fifth bowler. Even his coach said that.

 

If we play this attack..we will tire out Bumrah and get decimated in better batting conditions. We will have to take a risk. 

 

Reddy plays at 7 as 6th bowler..his batting is good. Jadeja or Washington plays at top 6... Decision is easy with Gill injured.

Ashwin or a paper comes in at 8. And then the three pacers choose themselves.

 When Gill comes back...focus shouldn't be on accommodating Gill if batting lineup is doing ok..if not Gill comes in  and the best spinner plays at 8.

 

 

Jaiswal

Rohit

KLR

Kohli

Pant

Jadeja/washy

Reddy

Ashwin

Akashdeep/Rana

Bumrah 

Siraj

 

 

 

 

[Ultimate_Game]

I'll say it again that for this series we need to play 4 specialist fast bowlers + Reddy and Sundar/Jadeja. We're gonna play a Pink ball Test at Adelaide, seam friendly Brisbane/Gabba, and a green pitch at MCG. We need pacers as we don't want to let up pressure on Aussie batsmen and use Bumrah as a shock bowler and not overbowl him.

 

An additional pacer will give us much more benefit than a batsman as a combo of Reddy, Sundar/Jadeja and Harshit can give us lower order runs. My team would be:

 

Rohit (c)

Jaiswal

Rahul

Kohli

Pant (wk)

Nitish

Sundar/Jadeja

Harshit

Akash Deep/ Shami

Bumrah

Siraj

 

Sundar or Jadeja will be batting at 7, which is one spot higher for them but we can't afford to let Aussie batsmen get away. We need continued pressure from our pacers and that'll only happen if we play 4 specialist pacers so they're fresh in every spell and bowl with pace throughout. Don't want a situation where we overbowl Bumrah, or we need to rely on Sundar and Reddy coz our 3 main pacers have bowled a lot of overs. This is what happened to Aus and they had to rely on Marsh, Lyon and Labuschagne, which was like free runs for us.

 

We can't be defensive and have to go all out. The best way to do it is to keep the Aussie batsmen down by not letting them get cheap runs and have a fresh pacer at them all the time. Plus Akash is likely to excel in seam friendly conditions for the next 3 Tests.

[Adamant]

There is absolutely no need of an extra pacer.

 

Australian pitches have been spicy lately and when you add pink ball into the mix the match is not gonna last for more than 3.5 days, maybe even less.

 

We should focus on increasing batting strength , Nitish and Sundar batting at 7 and 8 is perfect.

 

Last time we won the Gabba test because of our lower order batting only, posters who are saying that if your top 6 do not score then you shouldn’t expect 7 and 8 to do that aren’t really analysing test matches of this era.

 

Sundar and Shardul helped us win the Gabba test, and in a low scoring match I would rather have an extra batsman than an extra bowler.

 

BTW, bowlers like Nitish can actually do as well as a specialist pacers with a pink ball in hand on a spicy pitch.

 

 

My team would be

 

Jaiswal

Rahul

Rohit

Kohli

Pant

Jurel

Sundar

Nitish

Rana

Bumrah

Siraj/Akashdeep

[Lord]

31 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

I'll say it again that for this series we need to play 4 specialist fast bowlers + Reddy and Sundar/Jadeja. We're gonna play a Pink ball Test at Adelaide, seam friendly Brisbane/Gabba, and a green pitch at MCG. We need pacers as we don't want to let up pressure on Aussie batsmen and use Bumrah as a shock bowler and not overbowl him.

 

An additional pacer will give us much more benefit than a batsman as a combo of Reddy, Sundar/Jadeja and Harshit can give us lower order runs. My team would be:

 

Rohit (c)

Jaiswal

Rahul

Kohli

Pant (wk)

Nitish

Sundar/Jadeja

Harshit

Akash Deep/ Shami

Bumrah

Siraj

 

Sundar or Jadeja will be batting at 7, which is one spot higher for them but we can't afford to let Aussie batsmen get away. We need continued pressure from our pacers and that'll only happen if we play 4 specialist pacers so they're fresh in every spell and bowl with pace throughout. Don't want a situation where we overbowl Bumrah, or we need to rely on Sundar and Reddy coz our 3 main pacers have bowled a lot of overs. This is what happened to Aus and they had to rely on Marsh, Lyon and Labuschagne, which was like free runs for us.

 

We can't be defensive and have to go all out. The best way to do it is to keep the Aussie batsmen down by not letting them get cheap runs and have a fresh pacer at them all the time. Plus Akash is likely to excel in seam friendly conditions for the next 3 Tests.

 

and NKR at 6?

[deathmonger]

6 minutes ago, Adamant said:

There is absolutely no need of an extra pacer.

 

Australian pitches have been spicy lately and when you add pink ball into the mix the match is not gonna last for more than 3.5 days, maybe even less.

 

We should focus on increasing batting strength , Nitish and Sundar batting at 7 and 8 is perfect.

 

Last time we won the Gabba test because of our lower order batting only, posters who are saying that if your top 6 do not score then you shouldn’t expect 7 and 8 to do that aren’t really analysing test matches of this era.

 

Sundar and Shardul helped us win the Gabba test, and in a low scoring match I would rather have an extra batsman than an extra bowler.

 

BTW, bowlers like Nitish can actually do as well as a specialist pacers with a pink ball in hand on a spicy pitch.

 

 

My team would be

 

Jaiswal

Rahul

Rohit

Kohli

Pant

Jurel

Sundar

Nitish

Rana

Bumrah

Siraj/Akashdeep

This.

 

Can replace Rana with Akashdeep. Once Shami comes in give Bumrah a rest.

 

Ideally finish the series before Sydney and then Bumrah can rest.

[kruiser]

14 minutes ago, Adamant said:

There is absolutely no need of an extra pacer.

 

Australian pitches have been spicy lately and when you add pink ball into the mix the match is not gonna last for more than 3.5 days, maybe even less.

 

We should focus on increasing batting strength , Nitish and Sundar batting at 7 and 8 is perfect.

 

Last time we won the Gabba test because of our lower order batting only, posters who are saying that if your top 6 do not score then you shouldn’t expect 7 and 8 to do that aren’t really analysing test matches of this era.

 

Sundar and Shardul helped us win the Gabba test, and in a low scoring match I would rather have an extra batsman than an extra bowler.

 

BTW, bowlers like Nitish can actually do as well as a specialist pacers with a pink ball in hand on a spicy pitch.

 

 

My team would be

 

Jaiswal

Rahul

Rohit

Kohli

Pant

Jurel

Sundar

Nitish

Rana

Bumrah

Siraj/Akashdeep

Agree and even Australia plays with 3 frontline seamers.

We should stick to 3 pacers and 1 spinner model.

[express bowling]

It's a difficult decision.

 

3 pacers + NKR + 1 Spinner would definitely tire out Bumrah.

 

4 pacers + 1 spinner will not cover for 2 inconsistent senior batsmen and make our batting weak.

 

We need a Hardik type player. 

 

Raj Bawa could have been the answer if picked.  Hit the deck pacer and can bat in the top 7. 

[Ultimate_Game]

44 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

and NKR at 6?

 

Yup. Or if you want to replace him with a better batter, that's an option. E.g., if Gill is back, or if you want to play Jurel ahead of NKR, that's an option as well.

[Ultimate_Game]

10 minutes ago, express bowling said:

It's a difficult decision.

 

3 pacers + NKR + 1 Spinner would definitely tire out Bumrah.

 

4 pacers + 1 spinner will not cover for 2 inconsistent senior batsmen and make our batting weak.

 

We need a Hardik type player. 

 

Raj Bawa could have been the answer if picked.  Hit the deck pacer and can bat in the top 7. 

 

We saw with Aus pacers how exhausted they were and had to rely on Labuschagne and Marsh. It could very well be us if conditions don't go our way. I would rather protect Bumrah by playing an extra pacer. That'll be more beneficial for us in the longer run than a batsman.

 

If Bumrah becomes ineffective due to being overbowled, or gets injured, we're doomed. Better to limit the risk of that happening and applying continual pressure on Aussie batters by going in with 4 pacers. We already saw that Bumrah wasn't looking at his best on the final day. It'll happen a lot more if he isn't used as a shock bowler and has to bowl more.

[vvvslaxman]

Without bowling we suck. Only place where batsmen step up are flat pattas. 

[Lord]

5 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Yup. Or if you want to replace him with a better batter, that's an option. E.g., if Gill is back, or if you want to play Jurel ahead of NKR, that's an option as well.

 

Our top 6 already has Rohit and Kohli. Lower order is saving them. Why do you want to change that?

 

Even in Perth Test,the Pant-NKR partnership saved us. Else we could have been shot out under 100 and it'd be totally different game. 

 

NKR would bowl lot more with pink ball and may even pick some wickets. There are lot of ways to protect Bumrah with current combination itself

[Ultimate_Game]

3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Without bowling we suck. Only place where batsmen step up are flat pattas. 

 

That's why I'm putting my faith in pacers and going with a 4th pacer in place of a batsman. The only way we win is if our pacers keep on dismissing Aus batsmen cheaply and put pressure on them. For that to happen we need our pacers relatively fresh which will require a 4th pacer. A 3 pace attack will be run into the ground, which happened to Aus trio in 2020-21 and we saw it in the first Test.

 

Even if an extra batsman gives us 30 more runs, it won't matter if our pace attack is tired and ineffective. Keeping our pace attack fresh and firing should be our top priority. Without it we don't win no matter how many batters we play.

[express bowling]

19 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

We saw with Aus pacers how exhausted they were and had to rely on Labuschagne and Marsh. It could very well be us if conditions don't go our way. I would rather protect Bumrah by playing an extra pacer. That'll be more beneficial for us in the longer run than a batsman.

 

If Bumrah becomes ineffective due to being overbowled, or gets injured, we're doomed. Better to limit the risk of that happening and applying continual pressure on Aussie batters by going in with 4 pacers. We already saw that Bumrah wasn't looking at his best on the final day. It'll happen a lot more if he isn't used as a shock bowler and has to bowl more.

 

 

I agree. Bumrah is the difference between the 2 teams and must be protected at all costs. 

 

Harshit + Akashdeep can provide about 0.7 batsman. 

 

6. Washington 

7. Nitish

8. Harshit .. can bat 

9. Akashdeep .. can bat a bit 

10. Bumrah

11. Siraj.

 

 

[Ultimate_Game]

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Our top 6 already has Rohit and Kohli. Lower order is saving them. Why do you want to change that?

 

Even in Perth Test,the Pant-NKR partnership saved us. Else we could have been shot out under 100 and it'd be totally different game. 

 

NKR would bowl lot more with pink ball and may even pick some wickets. There are lot of ways to protect Bumrah with current combination itself

 

Have to keep Bumrah rested and firing. He was already looking a little bit ineffective on Day 4.  As I mentioned in my previous post, the only way we win is if our pacers continue to put pressure on Aussie batsmen and limit their scoring. That won't happen if our pace attack tires, which will happen if we play with 3 man attack.

 

That's what happened to Aus in 2020-21. They stuck with 3 men attack and they were knackered by the end of it. We won coz we were forced to make changes due to injuries, and our bowlers were always fresh. I don't want to go the Aussie way and Bumrah looked  tad ineffective on the final day. This series will hinge on our bowlers' ability to pick up wkts, and we want to give them the best chance.

[Ultimate_Game]

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

I agree. Bumrah is the difference between the 2 teams and must be protected at all costs. 

 

Harshit + Akashdeep can provide about 0.7 batsman. 

 

6. Washington 

7. Nitish

8. Harshit .. can bat 

9. Akashdeep .. can bat a bit 

10. Bumrah

11. Siraj.

 

 

 

Yup, that's what I'm looking for. An extra batsman giving us say extra 30-40 runs but with a jaded/tired attack isn't going to benefit us. A fired up pace attack with a fresh Bumrah is what'll make the difference, and for that to happen if we have to play a 4th pacer, so be it. We don't have an option other than keeping our pacers effective.

[Lord]

41 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Have to keep Bumrah rested and firing. He was already looking a little bit ineffective on Day 4.  As I mentioned in my previous post, the only way we win is if our pacers continue to put pressure on Aussie batsmen and limit their scoring. That won't happen if our pace attack tires, which will happen if we play with 3 man attack.

 

That's what happened to Aus in 2020-21. They stuck with 3 men attack and they were knackered by the end of it. We won coz we were forced to make changes due to injuries, and our bowlers were always fresh. I don't want to go the Aussie way and Bumrah looked  tad ineffective on the final day. This series will hinge on our bowlers' ability to pick up wkts, and we want to give them the best chance.

 

He was looking ineffective simply because it was a road by then. Still he was getting something out of the pitch.Pace attack won't tire if matches last 3-4 days. Rotate them well and use NKR/Sundar more when partnership develops and we are okay. 

 

You can play 5 pacers and it wont matter if our batting doesnt give them decent scores. And you know its our lower order that does the rescue job most times. What happened in 2nd dig was an abberation

 

2020-21 was different as Aus were playing same 3 bowlers for all Tests. We can rotate them and play Akash and others too. Shami will come back too. There are also lot more rest days.

 

The key is to bowl Bumrah only in key moments. That will depend on Rohit now

[Ultimate_Game]

29 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

He was looking ineffective simply because it was a road by then. Still he was getting something out of the pitch.Pace attack won't tire if matches last 3-4 days. Rotate them well and use NKR/Sundar more when partnership develops and we are okay. 

 

You can play 5 pacers and it wont matter if our batting doesnt give them decent scores. And you know its our lower order that does the rescue job most times. What happened in 2nd dig was an abberation

 

2020-21 was different as Aus were playing same 3 bowlers for all Tests. We can rotate them and play Akash and others too. Shami will come back too. There are also lot more rest days.

 

The key is to bowl Bumrah only in key moments. That will depend on Rohit now

 

I would rather a fresh pacer and someone like Akash Deep bowling at Aus batters than Nitish. Nitish should be used only to give our main pacers a break and Sundar should be there mostly ofr the 2nd innings if pitch takes some spin, or for giving a very brief respite to pacers. But we need 4 pacers to make life hell for Aus batsmen. Don't give them an inch. Akash Deep with the Pink ball at Adelaide, or at Gabba or MCG gives us a much better option. At SCG we can have a rething. But I would rather go the aggressive route backing my pacers.

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

I would rather a fresh pacer and someone like Akash Deep bowling at Aus batters than Nitish. Nitish should be used only to give our main pacers a break and Sundar should be there mostly ofr the 2nd innings if pitch takes some spin, or for giving a very brief respite to pacers. But we need 4 pacers to make life hell for Aus batsmen. Don't give them an inch. Akash Deep with the Pink ball at Adelaide, or at Gabba or MCG gives us a much better option. At SCG we can have a rething. But I would rather go the aggressive route backing my pacers.

3 fresh pacers are already there and Nitish to give them rest. With pink ball he'll even move it. 

 

First we need to ensure life isnt hell for our batsmen. We cant compete with sub 100 scores even if we have greatest attack ever. Batting depth isnt defensive, its what needed to fight. 

[Ultimate_Game]

26 minutes ago, Lord said:

3 fresh pacers are already there and Nitish to give them rest. With pink ball he'll even move it. 

 

First we need to ensure life isnt hell for our batsmen. We cant compete with sub 100 scores even if we have greatest attack ever. Batting depth isnt defensive, its what needed to fight. 

 

I have confidence in a lower order of Nitish, Sundar, Harshit and Akash Deep contributing runs, and bowlers going flat out knowing there're 4 of them + Reddy to go up against Aussies. 3 Pacers + Nitish is similar to Aus. We all saw how they fared in the 2020-21 series where they struggled to pick up wkts towards the end of the series, or how ineffective they became in the 1st Test at the end.

 

We have to keep Bumrah fresh for 5 Tests. Aus couldn't do it las series despite there being only 4 Tests instead of 5. This series depends on our pacers's ability to pick up wkts. I would back Akash Deep instead of a batter to give our bowling the best chance to do so.

[Lord]

6 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

I have confidence in a lower order of Nitish, Sundar, Harshit and Akash Deep contributing runs, and bowlers going flat out knowing there're 4 of them + Reddy to go up against Aussies. 3 Pacers + Nitish is similar to Aus. We all saw how they fared in the 2020-21 series where they struggled to pick up wkts towards the end of the series, or how ineffective they became in the 1st Test at the end.

 

We have to keep Bumrah fresh for 5 Tests. Aus couldn't do it las series despite there being only 4 Tests instead of 5. This series depends on our pacers's ability to pick up wkts. I would back Akash Deep instead of a batter to give our bowling the best chance to do so.

Nitish is not lower order in your combo. He bats at 6. Neither is he good enough to bat at 6, nor Sundar

 

Harshit looked like a rank tailender in Perth,Akash is even worse. 

 

As I said 20-21 Aus had same 3 pacers, we can choose any 3 among the options we have. Even Bumrah can be rested once we win the series. We won without him in Gabba. Even there lower order had saved us.