ungboysj Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) In tagging him a premium batsman or best in world Guy has only 2 shots cover drive and flick What will a youngster learn from him in batting Edited January 3 by ungboysj Link to comment
The Hound Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 He was the best in the world from 2013-2018. Yes he has fallen off the cliff in test matches after covid (still a great ODI player) but that doesn't erase all of his performances before that. Link to comment
CG Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 The greatest trick the devil ever fooled was by theatrics in front of camera to show fake aggression. sensible-indian 1 Link to comment
The Hound Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 28 minutes ago, CG said: The greatest trick the devil ever fooled was by theatrics in front of camera to show fake aggression. CG and singhvivek141 2 Link to comment
singhvivek141 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Kohli actually had pull shot, dab to third man and straight drive as well. In his prime he has taken up quicks like Johnson with ease. Problem is Kohli was always a player who worked hard to achieve excellence. The moment he stopped doing that (post Covid), his game deteriorated. He stopped going for practice matches and started doing nets instead. Adding to the above, now his eye sight is on a decline...he is lagging behind in making quick adjustments and thats hampering his technique. He can't decide whether to go back or front, and hence is stuck in a quicksand sinking further down. TBH, I don't think he can get out of it ever, ODI's are played on pattas so he may still be able to score some runs. But test matches on spicy pitches is going to be a challenge for him. I6MTW, bouncers, cricspirit and 3 others 6 Link to comment
Sean Bradley Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 A very limited player who got lucky to play soft bowlers with 2 new balls in ODI cricket. When was the last time he has ever played cut, upper cut, back foot punch on the offside, pull, hook, flick on the leg of a delivery which was on the stumps, sweep, paddle sweep, on drive. Btw all the above shots were the shots and range of the Great Sachin Tendulkar. For people who consider Virat > Tendulkar, go eat a Crow!!! clownkiller, Vijy, ungboysj and 6 others 1 8 Link to comment
CG Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 16 minutes ago, The Hound said: Theatrics attract fans.Fake aggression makes people think he cares. Link to comment
Vijy Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 9 hours ago, singhvivek141 said: Kohli actually had pull shot, dab to third man and straight drive as well. In his prime he has taken up quicks like Johnson with ease. Problem is Kohli was always a player who worked hard to achieve excellence. The moment he stopped doing that (post Covid), his game deteriorated. He stopped going for practice matches and started doing nets instead. Adding to the above, now his eye sight is on a decline...he is lagging behind in making quick adjustments and thats hampering his technique. He can't decide whether to go back or front, and hence is stuck in a quicksand sinking further down. TBH, I don't think he can get out of it ever, ODI's are played on pattas so he may still be able to score some runs. But test matches on spicy pitches is going to be a challenge for him. yea, he's pretty much done in tests. Link to comment
Ultimate_Game Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 13 hours ago, ungboysj said: In tagging him a premium batsman or best in world Guy has only 2 shots cover drive and flick What will a youngster learn from him in batting Coz his fans are morons like @putrevus who actually believe the "King" has never done anything wrong and in fact it's the others, including Bumrah, who've never supported the "King" You can't argue with these dimwits. They actually make MAGA crowd seem like rocket scientists Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 He had a great peak across the formats something nobody has achieved. Achieving peak in all 3 formats. Also stepping up in Pakistan encounters only enhanced his reputation. Aggressive mentality. Yes during his peak he deserved all the attention. But outside his peak getting the same attention is cringeworthy. I won't say it is just fans. Lot of heavy lifting was done by PR. There is no way in hell anyone would still call virat kohli a threat. Aussies dishonestly keep saying "Kohli is a threat". They know deep down he is more of a threat to India than Australia. But they can't say it. Link to comment
Ultimate_Game Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 13 hours ago, The Hound said: He was the best in the world from 2013-2018. Yes he has fallen off the cliff in test matches after covid (still a great ODI player) but that doesn't erase all of his performances before that. I'm sorry but that's patently false. Even during the 2013-2018 Kohli was only great in bilaterals with all those chases and 100s in ODIs coming in meaningless bilaterals. The moment there was a bit of pressure or a major ICC knockout he failed like always. Here're a few examples... 1. 2015 WC SF: We were chasing 328 but Dhawan had given us such a great start of around 80 at a high RR. If Kohli had played just a regular knock he used to play so often, we would've won. In fact he played 2-3 such knocks against Aussies in bilaterals chasing 300+ multiple times but when it was needed in a high pressure game he failed. 2. 2017 CT: Won the toss and decided to "chase" against traditional chokers Pak. And while batting was dropped on 0 and still got out on 1. As usual failed in an ICC final when the stakes were high. 3. 2019 WC SF: The "King" was at his peak at the time and all the so called "King" had to do to chase 239 was to handle the new ball and even if we score 20/1 off 10 overs and see off the opening spell from Boult and Henry, we win. And as usual the "King" scored 0 (or 1) and failed once again when it mattered. 4. Tests: None of his knocks resulted in wins or he made a difference the way Pujara did in 2018 or the way Pant in 2020-21. All his Away 100s came when the match was drawn or it was a lost cause, i.e. not much pressure. When the match was in balance he failed. 5. IPL playoffs: It's clear the "King" takes his IPL seriously and has opted out to "rest" in intl matches to play IPL. Kohli has played 14 matches in IPL knockouts and he averages in 20s with a SR in 120s. Those are not just poor numbers but Mandeep Singh kind of numbers. 14 playoff matches is a huge sample size and is as big as an IPL season! But the so called "King" couldn't deliver even one match-winning performance. 6. WTC Finals: Failed in both the WTC finals as usual. Someone like Head has shown how to play an impactful innings. It's clear Kohli is a stat padder who feasted in meaningless bilaterals to score impactless runs. He could never handle pressure and make a difference in either ICC tourneys or IPL playoffs. Even his best ICC performances have come in group stages when there're chances for you to come back and you're not in last chance saloon. But when it came to performing in high pressure games with something riding on it, the so called "King" invariably folded like a cheap tent. nevada, Vijy, clownkiller and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
Ultimate_Game Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 12 hours ago, Sean Bradley said: A very limited player who got lucky to play soft bowlers with 2 new balls in ODI cricket. When was the last time he has ever played cut, upper cut, back foot punch on the offside, pull, hook, flick on the leg of a delivery which was on the stumps, sweep, paddle sweep, on drive. Btw all the above shots were the shots and range of the Great Sachin Tendulkar. For people who consider Virat > Tendulkar, go eat a Crow!!! And just to add to that, Tendulkar actually added the ramp shot and paddle sweep relatively later in his career. Whereas Kohli couldn't even add a conventional sweep or a regular cut to his repertoire. Link to comment
Vijy Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said: And just to add to that, Tendulkar actually added the ramp shot and paddle sweep relatively later in his career. Whereas Kohli couldn't even add a conventional sweep or a regular cut to his repertoire. sacchu had paddle sweep from 90s. hardly late in his career, given that he played till 2010s Ultimate_Game 1 Link to comment
sensible-indian Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) Don't wanna be a grammar nazi but can someone edit the headline? Its so jarring lol. Edited January 4 by sensible-indian Link to comment
cricspirit Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Not sure he is in the same ballpark as Smith and Root but got considered as a Big 4 batter for a decade. Made.more money.than anyone else. Lots of drama and acting helped. Link to comment
ungboysj Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 (edited) Wrong Edited January 4 by ungboysj Link to comment
Vijy Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 50 minutes ago, cricspirit said: Not sure he is in the same ballpark as Smith and Root but got considered as a Big 4 batter for a decade. Made.more money.than anyone else. Lots of drama and acting helped. was trained by the same person that trained his wife Link to comment
Suhaan Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 33 minutes ago, Vijy said: was trained by the same person that trained his wife Yashraj? Link to comment
Vijy Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 minute ago, Suhaan said: Yashraj? seems like it. all the hamming Link to comment
Suhaan Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 2 hours ago, Vijy said: sacchu had paddle sweep from 90s. hardly late in his career, given that he played till 2010s Talent over flowed from that man,he could bowl tremendous offspin, legspin and medium pace I haven't seen people before him,started watching cricket in 90s but since those times I havent seen a single player as skilled as him Had all the shots in the book,cut ,pull,drive,on drive,glance,paddle sweep everything He was way too aggressive for his time Vijy and clownkiller 2 Link to comment
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