Stalin government replaces Rupee symbol with Tamil letter in state budget amid language row

[gattaca]

22 hours ago, Gollum said:

Classic diversion tactic, huge TASMAC (liquor monopoly by state govt) scam getting buried. Don't call DMK dumb, they are smart, always a step ahead of the rest in TN, Karunanidhi and Maran families are what you call evil genius. I am no fan of them, but they know very well how politics is played in India. 

 

BJP arrogantly and foolishly took down AIADMK, the only legit counterbalance to DMK/DK. Similar blunder in Punjab with Akalis. Ab bhugato. 

DMK and AAP have very similar tactics blame opposition and divert. Lucky for DMK the gullible people of TN voted for them. AIADMK loosing Jayalalitha is a big blow no opposition for DMK now in the state.

[IndianRenegade]

3 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Tamizha? Should have guessed ?

not sure what you guessed, but tamil to me is just a language I speak. I see myself as Indian who speak it.

[Gollum]

20 hours ago, G_B_ said:

Bjp cannot compromise its own growth at behest of admk or akali. 

 

Blunt truth, in bjp interest admk dont come to power. Eps will have to step down. True bjp target is admk not dmk.

Why does BJP have to be hero everywhere? Why can't they be supporting cast in some states for the greater good? 

 

SAD, SS, AIADMK, BJD have never been ideological enemies of BJP. In fact former three supported BJP during some tough times, right from RJB movement. Yet BJP didn't want to take them along once they had upsurge (at least SAD and AIADMK). This cutting of ties has only benefitted AAP/INC in Punjab and DMK in TN. 

 

Amma was the first national leader to welcome Modi to national fold in 2007 or 08 when he was a political pariah and even shunned by NDA folks. She was pro Ayodhya temple, pro UCC, was against special status to Kashmir, on the same page as BJP on every sensitive issue. What did BJP do when she passed away? Preyed on internal weakness/division in AIADMK, made them the enemy at par with DMK. There is someone sitting above us all noticing everything, karma will eventually restore balance. Attacking you steadfast allies when they are at their weakest is the lowest of all lows, adharma. 

 

AIADMK was the perfect antidote to DMK. A nationalist centre right party which could work well in tandem with BJP even if not part of NDA (like BJD before), sure few differences may still have come up but nothing unsolvable. Now you have given DMK free run for the next 30 years, is it good for the country? 

[Gollum]

4 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

₹ is not Hinthi , mutthal makkal, it is Devanagari- which is used to write many languages of India , Sanskrit being foremost 

Tamil is the least Sanskritized language in India, that is the crux of the issue. In fact some Sanskrit influence has crept up in Indian Tamil of late but Sri Lankan Tamils have their own shlokas and rituals free from Sanskrit, language preserved in its purest form. Malayalam has heavy Sanskrit influence, not even going to the rest.  

 

Making a Tamil person learn Hindi is like making you learn Mandarin. 

[coffee_rules]

28 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

not sure what you guessed, but tamil to me is just a language I speak. I see myself as Indian who speak it.

I was just trying to be  funny. Not a serious remark. You are a rarity that way to put nation before language. Kudos

[Gollum]

I too got swept away by the Annamalai hype/hysteria (educated, seemingly intelligent politicians a rarity in India, that's why many of us were also enamored by Kejri when he first came in) but now think he is a political noob. He is destined to be a loser and money drainer for BJP. Should have remained in IPS. 

 

Before him, BJP never had such enmity with AIADMK. There was always a mutual understanding between them against DMK gang. 

 

Or is he a Trojan horse sent by DMK? Only time will tell. But 2026 is a gone case, DMK crooks will win by a record margin despite their shoddy track record in governance. Even Joseph Vijay won't do much. 

[coffee_rules]

30 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Tamil is the least Sanskritized language in India, that is the crux of the issue. In fact some Sanskrit influence has crept up in Indian Tamil of late but Sri Lankan Tamils have their own shlokas and rituals free from Sanskrit, language preserved in its purest form. Malayalam has heavy Sanskrit influence, not even going to the rest.  

 

Making a Tamil person learn Hindi is like making you learn Mandarin. 

Don’t go Modi on Tamil. I know how much sanskritized is Tamil. Every language of India has been under the influence of Sanskrit or Prakrit which were laid bol before regional languages came popular, don’t go by what Modi says that Tamil is the oldest language. I’d say about 20-30% of Tamil is Sanskritized. For the sake of it, people are inventing new words parallel to sanskritzed words just to be contrarian without any scholarly basis. The same Dravidian movement has also started in Kannada . Ellara Kannada imovement is doing the same to Kannada . That we are different identity. Union of states mumbo jumbo. Listen to a real Tamizh scholar

 

 about VadaSoll or Vadacholl at about 6:30

Edited March 15, 2025 by coffee_rules

[AKane]

I mean even in Canada in Quebec - there is hardly any English. It is all French. As it should be...... Try to speak French - even broken or with an accent or with errors. As long as you try to speak French, the Quebecois will appreciate it.

 

So why not Tamil forever and ever  in Tamil Nadu? It is, it should be and it will be. Respect to the people of the great state of Tamil Nadu.

 

Now Maharashtra .... please learn from Tamil Nadu. 

 

Edited March 15, 2025 by AKane

[coffee_rules]

4 hours ago, AKane said:

I mean even in Canada in Quebec - there is hardly any English. It is all French. As it should be...... Try to speak French - even broken or with an accent or with errors. As long as you try to speak French, the Quebecois will appreciate it.

 

So why not Tamil forever and ever  in Tamil Nadu? It is, it should be and it will be. Respect to the people of the great state of Tamil Nadu.

 

Now Maharashtra .... please learn from Tamil Nadu. 

 

Quebec used to be French only, went there last summer. Sab jagah English hi English chalra bhai. Economic conditions in Kaneda has opened their minds . They embrace anybody investing on them. This kind of closed minds with only hurt Tamizhs. They can’t find any jobs outside of TN . MH is the largest economic engine of India by opening their minds and borders for all people. It’s not like there are no Marathi speaking there, language is flourishing in its speakers when they get rich

[AKane]

2 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Quebec used to be French only, went there last summer. Sab jagah English hi English chalra bhai. 

False. It is getting more strict. I can quote anecdotes too - here are legal facts about Bill 96 from 2022. People want even stricter laws!!!

 

Business Doubts
Perhaps the most dramatic effect of Bill 96 will be its impact on businesses in Québec. Every company with 25 workers or more must now transact in French or face the wrath of the language enforcement police.

In Montréal, a major business hub in North America, those doing transnational trade, especially with the US, say the law is so damaging that it may force them to relocate their offices from Québec. Any French speaker in Québec who sees prices, say at a KFC restaurant, written in English has a right to sue such a business for thousands of dollars for “violation of his/her rights,” says the bill.

 

https://languagemagazine.com/2022/06/21/dread-and-delight-as-quebec-passes-strict-french-law/

2 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

They can’t find any jobs outside of TN

Just now a nephew of ours from Mumbai had to go and work in Chennai. Give it a rest. The great state of TN will be fine. Maybe some people need to focus on their own states and create job opportunities there for the locals. You know who I am speaking about. The south was fine, is fine and will be fine.

Edited March 16, 2025 by AKane

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, AKane said:

False. It is getting more strict. I can quote anecdotes too - here are legal facts about Bill 96 from 2022. People want even stricter laws!!!

 

Business Doubts
Perhaps the most dramatic effect of Bill 96 will be its impact on businesses in Québec. Every company with 25 workers or more must now transact in French or face the wrath of the language enforcement police.

In Montréal, a major business hub in North America, those doing transnational trade, especially with the US, say the law is so damaging that it may force them to relocate their offices from Québec. Any French speaker in Québec who sees prices, say at a KFC restaurant, written in English has a right to sue such a business for thousands of dollars for “violation of his/her rights,” says the bill.

 

https://languagemagazine.com/2022/06/21/dread-and-delight-as-quebec-passes-strict-french-law/

Just now a nephew of ours from Mumbai had to go and work in Chennai. Give it a rest. The great state of TN will be fine. Maybe some people need to focus on their own states and create job opportunities there for the locals. You know who I am speaking about. The south was fine, is fine and will be fine.

Abbey, Mai gaya hoon in the last few years.. see the ground reality . Canada is seething with cost of living esp post covid. And you are showing some google searched links to prove your narrative. Quebec is becoming else and less French, heck France is lesser French these days.
 

Your nephew went from Mumbai to Chennai. I am saying a guy from Tirunelveli will find it difficult to find a job in Mumbai with this education in TN

Edited March 16, 2025 by coffee_rules

[AKane]

21 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Your nephew went from Mumbai to Chennai. I am saying a guy from Tirunelveli will find it difficult to find a job in Mumbai with this education in TN

No he won't. He will be fine in Mumbai. Both Marathi and Tamil  have opportunity in their own states also.

 

BTW my nephew would not even consider certain states in north.

21 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Abbey, Mai gaya hoon in the last few years.. see the ground reality .

I just showed you the ground reality in laws. "Language enforcement police" are a reality there for businesses. Now even more than ever. Anecdotes matter little.

 

 

Edited March 16, 2025 by AKane

[randomGuy]

Nice one 

 

[singhvivek141]

11 hours ago, Gollum said:

Why does BJP have to be hero everywhere? Why can't they be supporting cast in some states for the greater good? 

 

SAD, SS, AIADMK, BJD have never been ideological enemies of BJP. In fact former three supported BJP during some tough times, right from RJB movement. Yet BJP didn't want to take them along once they had upsurge (at least SAD and AIADMK). This cutting of ties has only benefitted AAP/INC in Punjab and DMK in TN. 

 

Amma was the first national leader to welcome Modi to national fold in 2007 or 08 when he was a political pariah and even shunned by NDA folks. She was pro Ayodhya temple, pro UCC, was against special status to Kashmir, on the same page as BJP on every sensitive issue. What did BJP do when she passed away? Preyed on internal weakness/division in AIADMK, made them the enemy at par with DMK. There is someone sitting above us all noticing everything, karma will eventually restore balance. Attacking you steadfast allies when they are at their weakest is the lowest of all lows, adharma. 

 

AIADMK was the perfect antidote to DMK. A nationalist centre right party which could work well in tandem with BJP even if not part of NDA (like BJD before), sure few differences may still have come up but nothing unsolvable. Now you have given DMK free run for the next 30 years, is it good for the country? 

SAD has it's own issues when it comes to conflict with BJP. The amount of corruption and drugs they allowed to flourish is Punjab is unprecedented.
Other Punjabi posters may comment more on that.

SS isn't the same SS of Balasaheb, Uddhav became greedy for power and started going away from the core ideology of Balasaheb and joined hands with NCP, Congress.
BJP grabbed the vaccum as the core voters of SS shifted along with Shinde, MNS is still isn't that strong. 

[singhvivek141]

3 hours ago, AKane said:

Just now a nephew of ours from Mumbai had to go and work in Chennai. Give it a rest. The great state of TN will be fine. Maybe some people need to focus on their own states and create job opportunities there for the locals. You know who I am speaking about. The south was fine, is fine and will be fine.

People has been migrating from one town/state to other since ages. Long before when the concept of states were even existed.
States which has access to ports, they will have an obvious advantage.
No matter how much Sikkim tries, the higher cost of logistics will never allow it to become as rich as Goa.

[AKane]

58 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

People has been migrating from one town/state to other since ages. Long before when the concept of states were even existed.
States which has access to ports, they will have an obvious advantage.
No matter how much Sikkim tries, the higher cost of logistics will never allow it to become as rich as Goa.

Sikkim is pretty good and so is Telangana - both landlocked.

 

No matter how much Switzerland tries ....  etc etc etc will never allow it to become as rich as Greece or Italy or Spain...?

 

Switzerland per capita GDP  $90,000

Italy                                          $34,000

Spain                                        $28,000

Greece                                      $21,000

 

GNI is similar.

 

In Germany Bavaria and North Rhine-Westphalia have the highest GDP. Neither has a coastline.

 

But okay - yes coast has advantages - but it is time to stop making excuses.

 

 

Edited March 16, 2025 by AKane

[singhvivek141]

26 minutes ago, AKane said:

Sikkim is pretty good and so is Telangana - both landlocked.

 

No matter how much Switzerland tries ....  etc etc etc will never allow it to become as rich as Greece or Italy or Spain...?

 

Switzerland per capita GDP  $90,000

Italy                                          $34,000

Spain                                        $28,000

Greece                                      $21,000

 

GNI is similar.

 

In Germany Bavaria and North Rhine-Westphalia have the highest GDP. Neither has a coastline.

 

But okay - yes coast has advantages - but it is time to stop making excuses.

 

 

Telangana was a part of undivided AP for many years.
Hyderabad which is the heart of Telangana was setup by CBN, who is current CM of Andhra Pradesh. It's his vision which is what bearing fruits.
Once the infra is setup and churning money, it becomes easier to sustain it instead of setting up something new altogether from scratch. The initial cost of investment is pretty high for non-coastal places (specially manufacturing which requires water and raw materials in abundance).

Sikkim is costly like hell, I think more than GDP we have to look at Purchase power parity as the correct metrics. Goa is higher than Sikkim.

Edited March 16, 2025 by singhvivek141

[AuxiliA]

17 hours ago, Gollum said:

I too got swept away by the Annamalai hype/hysteria (educated, seemingly intelligent politicians a rarity in India, that's why many of us were also enamored by Kejri when he first came in) but now think he is a political noob. He is destined to be a loser and money drainer for BJP. Should have remained in IPS. 

 

Before him, BJP never had such enmity with AIADMK. There was always a mutual understanding between them against DMK gang. 

 

Or is he a Trojan horse sent by DMK? Only time will tell. But 2026 is a gone case, DMK crooks will win by a record margin despite their shoddy track record in governance. Even Joseph Vijay won't do much. 

 

 

Fate of Tamil Hindus can't be left to the Dravidian parties alone as both are in bed with the missionaries to some extent. Someone has to be their voice. For that BJP has to get strong, which can only happen if they come out of the shadows of AIADMK. Jayalalithaa is no more, her party isn't the same anymore. 

 

Also, BJP has literally nothing to lose in TN. Annamalai is definitely worth backing. No one was expecting him to win at one go. Give him 10 years before you judge. BJP had no local presence there before him. 

 

[Lone Wolf]

Schedule castes are converting en masse towards Christianity.  North East is already done... South is ongoing & will be completed sooner so will be Punjab and Haryana.

 

Tribal areas of Chattisgarh and Jharkhand are reporting massive missionary activity.  People are keeping their Hindu names though and aren't easily identifiable but it's happening and has infiltrated even villages.  Plenty of benefits being a minority in public sector in Vishwaguru land already.

 

I won't be surprised if actual Xitian percentage in the country is closer to 10% in next 4 years.  It must have  been closer to it already @Gollum

Edited March 16, 2025 by Lone Wolf

[coffee_rules]

8 hours ago, AKane said:

No he won't. He will be fine in Mumbai. Both Marathi and Tamil  have opportunity in their own states also.

 

BTW my nephew would not even consider certain states in north.

I just showed you the ground reality in laws. "Language enforcement police" are a reality there for businesses. Now even more than ever. Anecdotes matter little.

 

 

You said Marathis should learn from Tamils and gave Quebec as an example of preserving languages. I said MH has gained more by opening out and is the richest state in India. In my experience, French in Quebec haven’t lost anything, but by accepting other languages they are flourishing more. 
 

These corrupt DMK guys send their kids to Don Bosco or ICSE schools who teach all languages, Joseph Vijay runs a school which teach multiple languages including Hinthi , but are depriving poor students in government schools from learning an additional language. NEP mandates three language, any language, not just Hinthi. Where’s the imposition here? IG and Congress had made Hindi compulsory and hence it was resisted then. What’s the opposition now? Polyglots are observed to have higher IQ than others, learning an additional language is not detrimental to society. Tamil will not die if kids learn an additional third language .