vvvslaxman Posted April 24, 2025 Posted April 24, 2025 https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ipl-2025-jadeja-s-struggle-against-spin-leaves-csk-with-one-more-headache-to-worry-about-1482795 Jadeja's spin struggles reflect CSK muddle He's scored only 51 runs off 58 balls of spin this season, allowing opposition teams to effectively shut him and CSK out Ravindra Jadeja was following the plan. He was 31 off 23 at the start of the 18th over. Now was the time to go. Chennai Super Kings (CSK) do not have the confidence in their batting line-up to hit hard from the first ball. They fear that will lead them to below-par totals and kick them out of the match before their bowlers can get a say. So many of the statistics that have them at the bottom - run-rate in the powerplay, or even overall, for that matter - is by design. It isn't a good design, but it is what the players they have and the form they're in has left them with. CSK were 145 for 4. Jadeja was set. And Mumbai Indians gave him a left-arm spinner to target. The over went for a-run-a-ball and that was only because it had wides. Mitchell Santner doesn't normally bowl in the death. Prior to this game, he had bowled only one full over in the block between 17 and 20. But MI saved him for exactly this match-up; a match-up where the stock ball spins into the batter's hitting arc. Several teams have gone to spin with Jadeja at the crease to shut him down. He's faced 58 balls of it and scored only 51 runs. This is in keeping with his returns over the last few years. He has turned himself into a pace hitter, but he's always struggled when it's taken off. CSK head coach Stephen Fleming would like to see Jadeja do better. "There's a lot of room for improvement in our view and it's a little bit of opportunity," he said. "I know in the past that he's done it for a couple of games but he hasn't had a big run at it and it's more the attitude towards it." In other words, a willingness to hit the ball hard. Jadeja, in IPL 2025, has only hit two boundaries against spin. Sometimes it doesn't even look like he's trying. That's why he's had to face a lot of it, even in the death. Fleming is trying to fix this. "So we're exploring a lot of things at the moment to see whether there are gains within the side with one view on trying to win every game remaining in the IPL but also in the future," he said. "So we think there are areas that we can explore with our players where they haven't perhaps conquered it in the past and just trying to change some attitudes around it." Jadeja's training session ahead of the Sunrisers Hyderabad (SRH) game lasted about a half hour where he faced two legspinners and a throwdown specialist. His focus was on being able to step out of his crease and nailing the slog sweep. He had mixed results. He's not the only one. Over the last 10 years of IPL cricket, and looking at performances in the first eight matches of the season, CSK's average (18.84) and strike rate (110) against spin puts them in the bottom five on both counts. The one player that they actually have who is good at hitting boundaries when pace is taken off the ball, is unable to play that role because he's having to cover for other frailties. "We need the run production from the top to go well," Fleming said. "And that will then put players in the right position to be able to perform their role that they've been designed for and enable us to then capitalise on the strengths that some of our players have. [Shivam] Dube is playing a number of roles. He's holding the innings together and finishing games. In the past he's been an impactful player that's come out and changed the game by his dominance in the middle [overs]. So there's been a bit of a shift somewhere through the necessity to stay in the game." The good CSK teams of the past were able to mask their players' weaknesses. That's why they had Jadeja down the order - not because he was a finisher but because if he batted at No. 7 or 8 he'd get to face fast bowling and he's good at smashing that. Now though, when there is weakness everywhere - their top-order is not scoring runs, their middle order hasn't been able to pick up the slack - it's left the team incredibly vulnerable. This CSK has spent the season breaking things that were working well to fix things that keep going wrong.
vvvslaxman Posted April 24, 2025 Author Posted April 24, 2025 So he is not even able to do this in the nets. Bloody bhaskar lol. How many years he has conned us at international level.
Ultimate_Game Posted April 24, 2025 Posted April 24, 2025 It's not as if Jadeja is hammering pacers around The guy has a career IPL SR in 120s while batting lower down the order at 6 or 7. His SR should be 150+ or at the very least 145+. But he struggles to bat at a SR of 120. That says it all. Frustrated 1
rkt.india Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 Jadeja is a bowler who can bat, that at 8, especially in T20s. Lord 1
Nikhil_cric Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 When he and Dhoni are batting together, just bowl spinners. They can't do shite. Lord 1
Lord Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 Why not just bat Dube at 4 instead of trying make something out of nothing? Jadeja's problems with spin are not new
vvvslaxman Posted April 25, 2025 Author Posted April 25, 2025 4 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said: When he and Dhoni are batting together, just bowl spinners. They can't do shite. They have data since 2008. What are they doing with this data? He played for India almost as long as he played in the IPL. Axar is what we wanted Jadeja to be. Ultimate_Game 1
Nikhil_cric Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said: They have data since 2008. What are they doing with this data? He played for India almost as long as he played in the IPL. Axar is what we wanted Jadeja to be. Who are you referring to by "they"?
vvvslaxman Posted April 25, 2025 Author Posted April 25, 2025 4 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: Who are you referring to by "they"? Data analysts must be having this stat right. He batted at 7 most of the time for us and CSK.
Stan AF Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 I'm surprised people are still reading and writing about Jadeja.
vvvslaxman Posted April 25, 2025 Author Posted April 25, 2025 4 minutes ago, Stan AF said: I'm surprised people are still reading and writing about Jadeja. He is still part of our LOI set up.
Lord Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: He is still part of our LOI set up. only ODIs that too very big chance he'll go soon.
Nikhil_cric Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 24 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Data analysts must be having this stat right. He batted at 7 most of the time for us and CSK. If you are talking about opposition analysts, then I agree. They have been weak against spin for eons but teams ended up bowling mediocre medium pacers to them at the death because they still felt spinners at the death were risky. vvvslaxman 1
vvvslaxman Posted April 25, 2025 Author Posted April 25, 2025 13 minutes ago, Lord said: only ODIs that too very big chance he'll go soon. Played for 15 years in T20. He could never evolve like Axar did in a matter of 2 or 3 years. In T20 internationals
maniac Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 (edited) Jadeja out to Kamindu again. Jadeja is one of those limited players who really don’t have a weakness. They are those strokeless wonders who have decent batting temparament and are extremely limited with their scoring zones. some good examples are Ravi Shastri, Misbah Ul Haq, Younis Khan etc. even Ganguly to be honest but improved his range later on. Edited April 25, 2025 by maniac vvvslaxman 1
Ultimate_Game Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 1 hour ago, maniac said: Jadeja out to Kamindu again. Jadeja is one of those limited players who really don’t have a weakness. They are those strokeless wonders who have decent batting temparament and are extremely limited with their scoring zones. some good examples are Ravi Shastri, Misbah Ul Haq, Younis Khan etc. even Ganguly to be honest but improved his range later on. He's a Test batter and is not cut out for T20s. Amazing he has been able to play T20s for nearly 2 decades. vvvslaxman and Lord 2
Nikhil_cric Posted April 26, 2025 Posted April 26, 2025 2018 IPL onwards, Jadeja vs spin Average : 25.8 Strike rate : 97 Lord and vvvslaxman 1 1
vvvslaxman Posted April 26, 2025 Author Posted April 26, 2025 9 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said: 2018 IPL onwards, Jadeja vs spin Average : 25.8 Strike rate : 97 With that stat sending him at no.4 with so many overs of spin is a seriously dumb move.
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