Operation sindoor

[Lone Wolf]

25 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

But Hindi is mandatory and Urdu isn't

Used to be mandatory in JK & Ladakh.  Both Hindi Urdu are sister languages ideally born out of Hindustani dialect and obviously Farsi influence.

 

Edited October 28, 2025 by Lone Wolf

[Gollum]

Keep regional languages but make English the official one. Like what Singapore has, no matter what you may feel about it, English is the road to knowledge, prosperity and communication with rest of the world, best thing the colonialists gave us. Lingua franca of the world, and we Indians have a headstart. 

 

It is very hypcritical to see Indians converse in English on forums, use it to make professional strides, educate their kids in English medium schools but want rest of the country to make the sacrifices and learn whatever regional language is the flavor of the season or geography. 

 

 

Edited October 28, 2025 by Gollum

[randomGuy]

^^ hindi is spoken by 2 billion people of South Asia as 1st or 2nd/3rd language. 

 

India = 1.45 billion 

Pakistan= 255 million 

BD 180 million 

Nepal, afghanistan, uae, expat south Asians.

 

After English, Hindi is the 2nd biggest language in the world. Will remain so for next 200 years atleast.

 

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, Lord said:

 

But Hindi is mandatory and Urdu isn't

Hindi is infiltrated with urdu and english words. It's like secularism.
Sanskrit is pure, unadulterated. 

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

Farkhor has been unoperational since long.

Ayni airbase was actually the one active where our engineers and even BRO worked on Runways and stuff... It was rumoured to host a few Su MkIs as well.

 

Russian and Chinese pressure apparently is the reason... Tajiks had to make sure we leave.

MKI's were there only temporarily. I think the access to Farkhor and Ayni is still there, but in limited use. Plus, we never had any agreement with Tajik govt as well about his base, so it hints that we were using this base only temporarily.

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

Keep regional languages but make English the official one. Like what Singapore has, no matter what you may feel about it, English is the road to knowledge, prosperity and communication with rest of the world, best thing the colonialists gave us. Lingua franca of the world, and we Indians have a headstart. 

 

It is very hypcritical to see Indians converse in English on forums, use it to make professional strides, educate their kids in English medium schools but want rest of the country to make the sacrifices and learn whatever regional language is the flavor of the season or geography. 

 

 

Lee Kuan Yew was a certified legend.  Even Deng Xiaoping was heavily influenced by his philosophy.

 

Fully agree that English should be Made national language in the country.  The one that binds North South ,East and especially North East.

The one thing that this country can truly unite upon.  This is the common ground for everyone.

The world hasn't seen the potential of 1 billion English speaking population throughout the course of history.  We will be there.

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

Keep regional languages but make English the official one. Like what Singapore has, no matter what you may feel about it, English is the road to knowledge, prosperity and communication with rest of the world, best thing the colonialists gave us. Lingua franca of the world, and we Indians have a headstart. 

 

It is very hypcritical to see Indians converse in English on forums, use it to make professional strides, educate their kids in English medium schools but want rest of the country to make the sacrifices and learn whatever regional language is the flavor of the season or geography. 

 

 

SG is a small country. Easier to implement the solutions.

India being a massively diverse country, one size fit all approach wont work.

 

Yeah, English is being used as a primary means to communicate. Coz it's the de facto language of world. But parallely there are many segments within country which arent comfortable with English. Its easier for them to switch to a common language rather than conversing in English.

 

Its my personal opinion, but keeping Sanskrti alive will help us in understanding our texts better. Most of us feel disconnected through our roots coz the mantras and shlokas sound alien to us.

[Gollum]

43 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

^^ hindi is spoken by 2 billion people of South Asia as 1st or 2nd/3rd language. 

 

India = 1.45 billion 

Pakistan= 255 million 

BD 180 million 

Nepal, afghanistan, uae, expat south Asians.

 

After English, Hindi is the 2nd biggest language in the world. Will remain so for next 200 years atleast.

 

Too localized, that too in a part of the world with very little economic/tech/cultural clout. Where is the scientific/literature output in Hindi? Can I converse with a Japanese or Swedish person in Hindi? Can I present my research work in Hindi? Or even do analysis of my experimental data? Tomorrow if I want to learn something new, what language will the learning resources be? 

 

It is utterly selfish to learn English for the betterment of my life but dissuade young kids from doing so. 

 

Without English as a common mode of communication, ICF will shut down by end of the week. 

 

There is a reason why even Russians, Chinese, Japs, Koreans etc. are crazy about learning English, demand for English teachers there is sky high. They look at Indians with envy because we pick it up much easier than them, also the main reason behind our economic growth in recent times. 

[Gollum]

16 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

SG is a small country. Easier to implement the solutions.

We have readymade excuses for everything. Every other country is better than us because of X, Y, Z. 

16 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

India being a massively diverse country, one size fit all approach wont work.

 

Yeah, English is being used as a primary means to communicate. Coz it's the de facto language of world. But parallely there are many segments within country which arent comfortable with English. Its easier for them to switch to a common language rather than conversing in English.

For day to day lives, regional languages fine. 

 

But to conduct business, in academics, science and research, technical communication etc. English has a distinct advantage which the entire world accepts. 

16 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

Its my personal opinion, but keeping Sanskrti alive will help us in understanding our texts better. Most of us feel disconnected through our roots coz the mantras and shlokas sound alien to us.

Even Sanskrit can only be a link language for day to day lives. It can never be the language for disseminating knowledge or building contacts with rest of the world. And we lost the chance 70 years ago, pointless to talk about that now. 

Edited October 28, 2025 by Gollum

[randomGuy]

5 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Too localized, that too in a part of the world with very little economic/tech/cultural clout. Where is the scientific/literature output in Hindi? Can I converse with a Japanese or Swedish person in Hindi? Can I present my research work in Hindi? Or even do analysis of my experimental data? Tomorrow if I want to learn something new, what language will the learning resources be? 

 

It is utterly selfish to learn English for the betterment of my life but dissuade young kids from doing so. 

 

Without English as a common mode of communication, ICF will shut down by end of the week. 

 

There is a reason why even Russians, Chinese, Japs, Koreans etc. are crazy about learning English, demand for English teachers there is sky high. They look at Indians with envy because we pick it up much easier than them, also the main reason behind our economic growth in recent times. 

Yes ofcourse. Must learn English. Must learn Hindi also.

 

Russian, chinese japan etc. want a working knowledge of English to communicate with the world. 

 

In South Asia, no. 1 is Hindi, number 2 English, number 3 is your regional language.

 

I am in Ajmer as earlier mentioned, met travellers from Orissa, Gujarat n Kerala etc. (coming to pushkar etc. ) each one of them speak perfect hindi. If lets say a Bengali and Afghani converse they do it in Hindi. 

 

Hindi isn't a regional language, it is 2nd biggest language of the world, spoken and/or understood by 25 (n growing) percent of the world (2 billion out of 8 billion). 

[Lone Wolf]

14 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Most of us feel disconnected through our roots coz the mantras and shlokas sound alien to us.

Most of this stuff is taught growing (at least in the past).

DAV schools need to be mainstreamed further.  Only way to teach kids about our roots.

 

But ultimately English is the one language that is critical for Economic and cultural growth of this country.

Can't keep repeating older mistakes... Hinduism must adapt if it wants to get mainstreamed throughout the world.

What better mode to do this than English? 

[Gollum]

Those harping about Hindi (even those having it as mother tongue), please read this year's budget and economic survey in Hindi and tell me if you understand anything, because I tried once before and couldn't. Also pick some Hindi translated school textbook of Physics, Chemistry and compare with the OG English versions. 

 

And since this is a cricket forum, please take a copy of Hindi, Bengali, Urdu, Punjabi, Tamil, Malayalam translation of MCC's cricket manual and see if you can make sense of what is written. You will immediately notice that explaining technical stuff even in a sport like cricket is far easier in English. There is a reason why Hindi commentators offer zero technical insights if limited to just that language and have to insert in a gazillion English words to make sense. 

 

There is a reason why globally you will always have English commentary stream of any sport/game. Be it football, tennis, basketball, cricket, wrestling, badminton, chess, people always gravitate towards English version, because it is much easier to follow. Sure, a Russian may understand chess commentary in Russian just fine, Chinese may prefer his/her language in TT, Hindi in kabaddi, but such languages don't transcend geography like English. 

 

English is the greatest language in the history of humanity, we have to make peace with that. The simplicity and the size of vocabulary, so much harmony even when describing the most complicated subject matter. You have a word or phrase to describe literally anything, and it is the universal language of science. 

[Lone Wolf]

16 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

Yes ofcourse. Must learn English. Must learn Hindi also.

 

Russian, chinese japan etc. want a working knowledge of English to communicate with the world. 

 

In South Asia, no. 1 is Hindi, number 2 English, number 3 is your regional language.

 

I am in Ajmer as earlier mentioned, met travellers from Orissa, Gujarat n Kerala etc. (coming to pushkar etc. ) each one of them speak perfect hindi. If lets say a Bengali and Afghani converse they do it in Hindi. 

 

Hindi isn't a regional language, it is 2nd biggest language of the world, spoken and/or understood by 25 (n growing) percent of the world (2 billion out of 8 billion). 

Bengali is number 2 among widely spoken languages in South Asia.

 

Frankly speaking economically Hindi is redundant as a language and so are other South Asian languages.

Mandarin became the Asian Substitute thanks to Chinese economic rise from the 90's.  Made Diplomats, businesses and professionals to learn Mandarin.

 

Chinese government and cultural institutions (Confucius Institutes, scholarship programs) have actively funded language teaching and created clear pathways for study and work.

 

India's IT services and start ups are mostly English driven so no incentive for foreigners to push for an local language... Neither do we have any sort of Institutions working abroad.

 

India has cracked the code that Only English as a medium can help during our upcoming Industrialisation phase.

@Gollum

Edited October 28, 2025 by Lone Wolf

[Gollum]

6 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

But ultimately English is the one language that is critical for Economic and cultural growth of this country.

Can't keep repeating older mistakes... Hinduism must adapt if it wants to get mainstreamed throughout the world.

What better mode to do this than English? 

Even countries like China, Russia, Japan which used to place so much importance on their languages, all have taken up English on war footing, they have opened up to changing reality and needs of our time. If you don't adapt, you will be left isolated in this globally connected world. I have been in many science conferences with East Asian people and they all communicate in English in a common setting, though they still use their languages when they are with their groups or during luncheons or dinner galas. Most of the technical talk, there is no language more efficient than English, and it will remain so 200 years from now. We Indians don't realize how lucky we are with our headstart in learning the lingua franca.

 

As you said, critical for growth of our nation. Also the greatest economic equalizer. A poor, low caste guy from rural India with command over English can make strides in one generation which would normally take multiple generations for a person in his place. 

[randomGuy]

In India, you will have bad English commentary like Harsha bhogle, laxman sivaramakrishna, Akash Chopra.

 

In Hindi you speak your heart.

 

There is not a lamer thing in the world than the sight of an Indian trying to speak English like it's his mother tongue phrases like 'bro' 'shi' 'daym' lol.

 

Abey yar, English technical/official writing ke liye hai, aur jyada se jyada online forums pe chat ke liye hai. In real world, you use Hindi or Hinglish to converse with people of a different region. people are liberal enough to use English words within a Hindi sentence. 

 

 

I am a 100% sure if ever @Gollumn @Lone Wolf meet they will talk in Hindi, pata nahi kya baat kar rahe hai yahan.

 

Edited October 28, 2025 by randomGuy

[singhvivek141]

20 minutes ago, Gollum said:

We have readymade excuses for everything. Every other country is better than us because of X, Y, Z. 

No doubt SG is better than us, it being a US vassal is another advantage. But it's smaller geography can't be ignored. Imagine how much time and resources we waste just to conduct elections. 

 

22 minutes ago, Gollum said:

For day to day lives, regional languages fine. 

 

But to conduct business, in academics, science and research, technical communication etc. English has a distinct advantage which the entire world accepts. 

Agree to this point. hence, keep English as the second language coz we're a service dominated sector.

 

23 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Even Sanskrit can only be a link language for day to day lives. It can never be the language for disseminating knowledge or building contacts with rest of the world. And we lost the chance 70 years ago, pointless to talk about that now. 

If we start something today, results will be visible 2 or 3 decades later. Reason is again our size. No wonder, why we're compared with an elephant, takes lot of time to pivot.
Israel did rejuvenate a dead language Hebrew, and they've strong control on English as well. We have enough foundation for Sanskrit, just need to start slow and then expand it further.
For ex. Mattur village in Karnataka talks entirely in Sanskrit, why not include Sanskrit in official communication of Shivamogga district and see how it goes. Or maybe start from DevBhumi and include Sanskrit in signboards from Haridwar onwards. 

FYI...most of us can read Sanskrit, courtesy of Devnagari. So it's just a matter of understanding, once we have that, speaking too will come.

[Gollum]

Btw nothing personal against any language in India. All have great history, literature, traditions, loved by millions. 

 

Just that I want the best for our people and country. In the modern world, English is the only logical choice for us to advance. 

[G_B_]

English will happen organically.

 

 

[G_B_]

India expects $7.4 billion spending on fighter jet engines over next decade

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/india-expects-74-billion-spending-fighter-jet-engines-over-next-decade-2025-10-17/

 

 

 

He also said that a derivative of the Kaveri engine can be used for a home-grown unmanned combat aerial vehicle. 

 

We need a Ghatak variant with 500km to 1000km combat radius capable of carrying 3-4 BVR and 1 Brahmos. Thats 2000kg carrying capacity across 4-5 hardpoints. AESA radar and strong networking ability.  Stealth is not going to be an issue. Expect stealth of 0.01. Key issue is cost. a single one needs to be under $30million. 52kn dry thrust will be needed which Kaveri can produce.

 

 

[Gollum]

10 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

In India, you will have bad English commentary like Harsha bhogle, laxman sivaramakrishna, Akash Chopra.

 

In Hindi you speak your heart.

But even in bad English commentary, there is some technical insight. 

10 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

 

There is not a lamer thing in the world than the sight of an Indian trying to speak English like it's his mother tongue phrases like 'bro' 'shi' lol.

Subjective. Every language has words/phrases that are cringe. 

10 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

 

Abey yar, English technical/official writing ke liye hai, aur jyada se jyada online forums pe chat ke liye hai. In real world, you use Hindi or Hinglish to converse with people of a different region. people are liberal enough to use English words within a Hindi sentence. 

 

 

I am a 100% sure if ever @Gollumn @Lone Wolf meet they will talk in Hindi, pata nahi kya baat kar rahe hai yahan.

 

In my workplace and professional life (R&D lab), I speak English most of the time, even with folks from Delhi, UP, Bihar. Comes naturally, nobody forces anything. 

 

But if we meet in social settings, it is Hindi or Hinglish. Even during coffee breaks or in the canteen.