Likely 11 for 1st Test

[cowboysfan]

On 6/14/2025 at 2:15 PM, express bowling said:

1. Jaiswal 

2. Rahul 

3. Sai / Jurel 

4. Gill

5. Karun

6. Pant 

7. Nitish

8. Jadeja

9. Prasidh

10. Bumrah

11. Siraj 

this is most likely, I would like to give Sai time to make no 3 his own .

[tweaker]

There suggestions from senior cricketers that Bumrah should skip first test

[cowboysfan]

2 hours ago, tweaker said:

There suggestions from senior cricketers that Bumrah should skip first test

how can he skip the first test itself? that is some terrible advice.

[express bowling]

4 hours ago, tweaker said:

There suggestions from senior cricketers that Bumrah should skip first test

 

Why should he do this ?

 

Makes no sense to me 

[bowl_out]

1. Jasiwal
2. KL Rahul
3. Sai / Easwaran
4. Gill
5. Karun
6. Pant
7. Jadeja
8. Shardul
9. Bumrah
10. Siraj
11. Prasidh

 

[bowl_out]

On 6/14/2025 at 3:45 AM, express bowling said:

1. Jaiswal 

2. Rahul 

3. Sai / Jurel 

4. Gill

5. Karun

6. Pant 

7. Nitish

8. Jadeja

9. Prasidh

10. Bumrah

11. Siraj 

I had the same XI except Thakur in place of Nitish

[Majestic]

On 6/15/2025 at 1:37 PM, Adamant said:

Jaiswal

Rahul

Sai

Gill

Karun

Pant

Thakur

Kuldeep

Bumrah

Siraj

Prasidh

 

Thakur has the dawg in him and he is coming for a redemption arc.

Tail tail tail all the way.

 

Drop Kuldeep. He is a mental midget and if he has nothing there in bowling, he is pretty useless and instead play Jadeja at 7.

Edited June 18, 2025 by Majestic

[tweaker]

6 hours ago, bowl_out said:

1. Jasiwal
2. KL Rahul
3. Sai / Easwaran
4. Gill
5. Karun
6. Pant
7. Jadeja
8. Shardul
9. Bumrah
10. Siraj
11. Prasidh

 

This is very good team for 1st test.

[lemsip]

3 hours ago, tweaker said:

This is very good team for 1st test.

Bumrah apart, this is not a bowling attack that will hold any threats for the English especially in the warm and sunny conditions the match is going to be played in. Jadeja has never been a  threat in England and could well be outbowled by Bashir. Selecting a bowling attack for their batting is a strategy that has not usually worked for India. I would pick Kuldeep even if it means comprimising on the batting a bit because taking wickets is the only way India have a chance of winning any games here.

[Adamant]

11 hours ago, Majestic said:

Tail tail tail all the way.

 

Drop Kuldeep. He is a mental midget and if he has nothing there in bowling, he is pretty useless and instead play Jadeja at 7.

How do people On ICF declare everyone a mental midget. Kuldeep won us the Ct finals.

[Adamant]

11 hours ago, Majestic said:

Tail tail tail all the way.

 

Drop Kuldeep. He is a mental midget and if he has nothing there in bowling, he is pretty useless and instead play Jadeja at 7.

I don’t think putting Jadeja over Kuldeep will give any benefit to us.

[lemsip]

4 minutes ago, Adamant said:

I don’t think putting Jadeja over Kuldeep will give any benefit to us.

Agreed. Jadeja has played 12 matches in England so we have a large sample and a pretty good idea of his effectiveness here. His bowling average in England is 43.48. He  not going to add to the wicket taking threat and at best he can only be someone get through some overs.

[vvvslaxman]

To be fair in English conditions you need a bit of variety. pace, swing, seam.  THey even mowed down guys like CUmmins, Hazlewood last time. Metronomic bowling alone is not going to work against bazballers

 

In 2023

 

Starc averaged 27

Cummins averaged 37

Hazlewood averaged 31

 

where as

 

Broad averaged 28

Woakes averages 18

Wood averagd 20

Ollie robinson averaged 28

 

Anderson was odd ball averaging 85. He was blaming the pitches.

[BacktoCricaddict]

36 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Anderson was odd ball averaging 85. He was blaming the pitches.

His thinking is a bit clouded.

[Lord]

3 hours ago, lemsip said:

Agreed. Jadeja has played 12 matches in England so we have a large sample and a pretty good idea of his effectiveness here. His bowling average in England is 43.48. He  not going to add to the wicket taking threat and at best he can only be someone get through some overs.

As AR. Specialist spinner won't do anything on those pitches. 

[Lord]

8 hours ago, lemsip said:

Bumrah apart, this is not a bowling attack that will hold any threats for the English especially in the warm and sunny conditions the match is going to be played in. Jadeja has never been a  threat in England and could well be outbowled by Bashir. Selecting a bowling attack for their batting is a strategy that has not usually worked for India. I would pick Kuldeep even if it means comprimising on the batting a bit because taking wickets is the only way India have a chance of winning any games here.

It has worked very well for India in last decade when Ashwin /Jadeja/Sundar /Thakur have saved us after so called specialist batsmen shat the bed umpteen times 

[vvvslaxman]

Wish we had impact sub ;)

[lemsip]

26 minutes ago, Lord said:

It has worked very well for India in last decade when Ashwin /Jadeja/Sundar /Thakur have saved us after so called specialist batsmen shat the bed umpteen times 

India has not won a series in England since 2007 so how has it worked in terms of producing results ? The primary job of Ashwin, Jadeja and Thakur was to take wickets.

Ashwin often didn't make the starting XI in England, in England, Jadeja and Thakur have a bowling average of 40 odd. They may have played the odd innings as a result of a top order collapse but trying to address batting deficiencies via bowlers has clearly not worked in helping India win a series here when the team was stronger than it is now.

[Lord]

5 minutes ago, lemsip said:

India has not won a series in England since 2007 so how has it worked in terms of producing results ? The primary job of Ashwin, Jadeja and Thakur was to take wickets.

Ashwin often didn't make the starting XI in England, in England, Jadeja and Thakur have a bowling average of 40 odd. They may have played the odd innings as a result of a top order collapse but trying to address batting deficiencies via bowlers has clearly not worked in helping India win a series here when the team was stronger than it is now.

 

If it was stronger why were these so called batsmen not doing their job and were needed to be rescued time and again. 

 

Almost every Test we have won overseas has been due to lower order contribution 

 

First lets have batsmen do their jobs if that's sorted we can have bowlers for wickets only

 

 

 

 

[lemsip]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

First lets have batsmen do their jobs if that's sorted we can have bowlers for wickets only

 

These are not mutually exclusive issues. The batting unit has changed through retirements etc. That doesn't mean you stick with the same defensive bowling mindset where apart from Bumrah, everyone else is there just to get through their overs and bat a bit rather than trying to take 20 wickets.