Trichromatic Posted August 27, 2025 Posted August 27, 2025 Gambhir Dhawan Jaiswal Vinoo Mankad (AR) Pant (WK) Ganguly (C) Jadeja (AR) Pathan (AR) Bedi Zaheer Who can be 11th and 12th players? Bedi and Zak batted right handed, but they were pure bowlers so can be part of the team. Shastri as AR doesn't make cut as he bowled left handed, batted right handed.
Gollum Posted August 27, 2025 Posted August 27, 2025 (edited) Ramesh Jaiswal Gambhir Ganguly (c) Pant Jadeja Mankad Washi Pathan Zaheer Bedi 12th man Dhawan If Shastri is considered leftie, he too should be in contention. Pretty good XI for SC conditions, even bench strength for spin is good (Nadkarni, Doshi, Rajinder Goel, Shivalkar, Maninder, Ojha). In SENA, very weak even if you bring Nehra, RP Singh into the mix. Edited August 27, 2025 by Gollum
Gollum Posted August 27, 2025 Posted August 27, 2025 Funny that for most of our history we never produced any leftie ATG. Now we have Jadeja as a titan of the game, Pant second best after Gilchrist. Jaiswal, Sundar too have ATG ceiling at least in tests. 4 world class guys. cricspirit 1
Trichromatic Posted August 27, 2025 Author Posted August 27, 2025 14 minutes ago, Gollum said: Ramesh Jaiswal Gambhir Ganguly (c) Pant Jadeja Mankad Washi Pathan Zaheer Bedi 12th man Dhawan If Shastri is considered leftie, he too should be in contention. Pretty good XI for SC conditions, even bench strength for spin is good (Nadkarni, Doshi, Rajinder Goel, Shivalkar, Maninder, Ojha). In SENA, very weak even if you bring Nehra, RP Singh into the mix. Any reason to pick Ramesh over Dhawan?
Gollum Posted August 27, 2025 Posted August 27, 2025 5 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Any reason to pick Ramesh over Dhawan? Because of 1999 Pak tests, against that quality of bowling and tough pitches, pressure, he was the best batsman from both sides. Wasn't treated fairly by BCCI IMO. Dhawan was always found wanting in tough pitches, even at home. Like Mohali/Nagpur 2015, Eden greentop against Kiwis in 2016.
Trichromatic Posted August 27, 2025 Author Posted August 27, 2025 33 minutes ago, Gollum said: Ramesh Jaiswal Gambhir Ganguly (c) Pant Jadeja Mankad Washi Pathan Zaheer Bedi 12th man Dhawan If Shastri is considered leftie, he too should be in contention. Pretty good XI for SC conditions, even bench strength for spin is good (Nadkarni, Doshi, Rajinder Goel, Shivalkar, Maninder, Ojha). In SENA, very weak even if you bring Nehra, RP Singh into the mix. Aus Hayden Langer Warner Border Taylor Hussey Gilchrist Bill Lawry and Neil Harvey can also be picked. Guys like Khawaja, Head, Katich won't even make it. Bowling Johnson Starc Reid Davidson Gilmour Great options for bowling. Spin is only weak area. England Cook Gower Strauss Thorpe Trescothick Stokes Lot of top order batsmen. Bowlers like Underwood, Panesar, Giles. Even SL Jayasuriya Sanga Ranatunga Karunaratne Vaas Herath Only team which can probably compete with Aus is WI Lara Chanders Sobers Loyd Gayle Kalicharan Roy Fredericks Jacobs But bowling is thin.. Kiwis had Vettori Boult Wagner and lot of all rounders. SA has strong batting with Smith, Elgar, Kirsten, but bowling is again weak. Pakistan is another country with very few left handed players who could leave a mark. They produce lot of left arm bowlers though. Gollum and Tillu 2
Gollum Posted August 27, 2025 Posted August 27, 2025 9 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Aus Hayden Langer Warner Border Taylor Hussey Gilchrist Bill Lawry and Neil Harvey can also be picked. Guys like Khawaja, Head, Katich won't even make it. Bowling Johnson Starc Reid Davidson Gilmour Great options for bowling. Spin is only weak area. England Cook Gower Strauss Thorpe Trescothick Stokes Lot of top order batsmen. Bowlers like Underwood, Panesar, Giles. Even SL Jayasuriya Sanga Ranatunga Karunaratne Vaas Herath Only team which can probably compete with Aus is WI Lara Chanders Sobers Loyd Gayle Kalicharan Roy Fredericks Jacobs But bowling is thin.. Kiwis had Vettori Boult Wagner and lot of all rounders. SA has strong batting with Smith, Elgar, Kirsten, but bowling is again weak. Pakistan is another country with very few left handed players who could leave a mark. They produce lot of left arm bowlers though. Maybe historically, Indians were discouraged from being left handed, sort of like a taboo. Across sports I see very few southpaws from Ind, also in day to day life.
Gollum Posted August 27, 2025 Posted August 27, 2025 (edited) For a country with such a rich batting tradition, shame that Dada is our greatest LHB. Pant, Jaiswal will set new standards I am sure, but still look at RHBs vs LHBs of India and compare that to with Aus, RSA, WI. Edited August 27, 2025 by Gollum
Gollum Posted August 27, 2025 Posted August 27, 2025 Now across formats we have: Jaiswal Pant Jaddu Axar Sundar Sai Sudarshan Abhishek Tilak Ishan Krunal Rinku Suryavanshi Khaleel etc. And many doing well in Ranji, IPL. Welcome change.
Trichromatic Posted August 27, 2025 Author Posted August 27, 2025 1 hour ago, Gollum said: For a country with such a rich batting tradition, shame that Dada is our greatest LHB. Pant, Jaiswal will set new standards I am sure, but still look at RHBs vs LHBs of India and compare that to with Aus, RSA, WI. Could this be one of the reason why Indian teams haven't done well historically. If we look at our overseas victories, we started getting more success when we had bunch of left handed bowlers - Zak, Pathan, RP Singh. Batting wise Yuvi, Raina started playing clutch knocks. Even bowling wise Yuvi was contributing more with ball. Right handed players were great, but clutch or x factor players were lefties like even Dhawan with performances in WC. Gollum 1
Trichromatic Posted August 27, 2025 Author Posted August 27, 2025 Indian players also struggled against lefties. I remember growing up with memories of one lefties being nightmare from each team. Pakistan - Anwar SL - Sanath Aus - Hayden, Gilly Eng - Trescothick SA - Kirsten Even Tamim had some good performances v Ind.
vvvslaxman Posted August 27, 2025 Posted August 27, 2025 1 minute ago, Trichromatic said: Could this be one of the reason why Indian teams haven't done well historically. If we look at our overseas victories, we started getting more success when we had bunch of left handed bowlers - Zak, Pathan, RP Singh. Batting wise Yuvi, Raina started playing clutch knocks. Even bowling wise Yuvi was contributing more with ball. Right handed players were great, but clutch or x factor players were lefties like even Dhawan with performances in WC. Even now having a leftie is a massive advantage. Because bowlers are more used to bowling to right handers than lefties. We always talk about left armer bringing the ball back into the right hander than right hander bringing the ball back into left hander. It is rarely a weakness for a left hander like it is weakness for right hander.
Gollum Posted August 27, 2025 Posted August 27, 2025 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Could this be one of the reason why Indian teams haven't done well historically. If we look at our overseas victories, we started getting more success when we had bunch of left handed bowlers - Zak, Pathan, RP Singh. Batting wise Yuvi, Raina started playing clutch knocks. Even bowling wise Yuvi was contributing more with ball. Yes, maybe. I also feel most bowlers struggle against LHBs. ATG Aus had Hayden, Gilly, Bevan/Hussey stepping up in big games. If you see the current Aussie pace trio, they average in teens against RHBs, and in early 30s against LHBs. Edited August 27, 2025 by Gollum
Gollum Posted August 27, 2025 Posted August 27, 2025 (edited) 2015 WC SF Mitchell Johnson, Starc, Faulkner 2017 CT F Fakhar Zaman, Amir 2019 WC SF Boult, Santner 2021 Dubai T20 WC Shaheen, Boult, Santner 2023 WC F Starc, Head In tests: 2014 Eng tour Ballance 2018 Eng tour Curran 2023 WTC F Head 2024 BGT Head, Starc Elgar in last 2 test series in RSA In last year's NZ series loss, Rachin, Conway, Santner, Ajaz Patel Recurring problem for Team India. Edited August 27, 2025 by Gollum rollingstoned 1
Majestic Posted August 27, 2025 Posted August 27, 2025 Gambhir Jaiswal Mankad Kambli Ganguly(c) Pant(wk) Washington Jadeja Pathan Zaheer Bedi 12th man - Eknath Solkar surprised you didn’t picked Kambli and Eknath Solkar. Solkar was remembered as poor man’s Sobers by West Indies.
neel roy Posted August 27, 2025 Posted August 27, 2025 6 hours ago, Gollum said: 2015 WC SF Mitchell Johnson, Starc, Faulkner 2017 CT F Fakhar Zaman, Amir 2019 WC SF Boult, Santner 2021 Dubai T20 WC Shaheen, Boult, Santner 2023 WC F Starc, Head In tests: 2014 Eng tour Ballance 2018 Eng tour Curran 2023 WTC F Head 2024 BGT Head, Starc Elgar in last 2 test series in RSA In last year's NZ series loss, Rachin, Conway, Santner, Ajaz Patel Recurring problem for Team India. Before all that. In 1990 s ‘’ Yahan se pachas pachas kos door gaon mein jab Indian fans raat ko rota hai, to maa kehti hai beta so ja, so ja nahi to Jaysurya phirse maarne aa jayega’’ Gollum 1
deathmonger Posted August 27, 2025 Posted August 27, 2025 8 hours ago, Gollum said: Funny that for most of our history we never produced any leftie ATG. Now we have Jadeja as a titan of the game, Pant second best after Gilchrist. Jaiswal, Sundar too have ATG ceiling at least in tests. 4 world class guys. Just got to do with the rise in infrastructure/economy. Each next Indian generation is better than the one before. Even Abhishek and Tilak can be white ball greats. Gollum 1
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