Washington lack of wickets a concern

[Sooda]

20 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

SUndar bowls 13 overs per innings in the domestic. At test level 12 overs.   For comparison.  Jadeja bowls 20 overs per innings at test level. 

 

Jadeja and SUndar have played 10 matches together

 

Jadeja 10 matches 31 wickets 29.67 average 53.5 strike rate

Sundar 10 matches 27 wickets 26.33 average 46.8 strike rate

 

Clearly Jadeja is over-used in comparison with Sundar purely for his experience. There is no absolutely no evidence current Jadeja is better than Current Sundar. I think he would have had much better numbers were he given more overs.

 

 

Jadeja is now , especially overseas, more of a batting AR. His batting is his stronger suite maybe even at home ! Gill feels compelled to bowl him even when they are better options - as we saw when he bowled more than and ahead of Sundar in England. This is because of his seniority I guess.

 

Can't drop Jadeja but have to recognise his bowling is a fading force. He's given yeoman service for what 15 years now so it's fair enough his bowling has lost some zip.

[Gollum]

19 hours ago, G_B_ said:

Jadeja is clearly done in cricket. India should play a proper 2nd spinner.

Jadeja walks into the team as a frontline batsman, one of the best MO batsmen in world cricket post pandemic. 

 

His bowling is bonus, lost zip with age. But can do the job if used as 2nd or 3rd spinner instead of main one. 

[putrevus]

Why are they force feeding Sundar in whiteball cricket.He is just not good enough , he cannot take wickets nor can he use long handle.

 

Let him improve his redball bowling and batting, he has his best potential there.

[cowboysfan]

20 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Why are they force feeding Sundar in whiteball cricket.He is just not good enough , he cannot take wickets nor can he use long handle.

 

Let him improve his redball bowling and batting, he has his best potential there.

I will say it right now,he is not a good white ball cricketer.He doesnt hit the ball like Axar and also he doesnt pick wickets,playing him instead of Kuldeep is a fireable offense.

[putrevus]

5 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

I will say it right now,he is not a good white ball cricketer.He doesnt hit the ball like Axar and also he doesnt pick wickets,playing him instead of Kuldeep is a fireable offense.

Exactly.He has no business of playing India in whiteball cricket.

 

He could not hit ball beyond infield today.

[Gollum]

7 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

I will say it right now,he is not a good white ball cricketer.He doesnt hit the ball like Axar and also he doesnt pick wickets,playing him instead of Kuldeep is a fireable offense.

In white ball, I will take Krunal Pandya or Parag over Washi every single day. 

[putrevus]

This was the time to invest time on guy like Parag and kick out this guy Sundar out of the whiteball cricket.When will he get his chance to prove himself.

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

10 minutes ago, Gollum said:

In white ball, I will take Krunal Pandya or Parag over Washi every single day. 

Batting all rounder is always better any day. Maxwell is not exactly a bowling wizard. He thinks on the feet and bowls something Paragh and Abhishek can easily work on. Heck even Tilak can do unlike Kohli who couldn't bowl to save his life.

[Gollum]

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

This was the time to invest time on guy like Parag and kick out this guy Sundar out of the whiteball cricket.When will he get his chance to prove himself.

GG has extremely strong likes and dislikes, which is the most undesirable quality in a coach, and Gill seems like a yes man. Need an independent minded, strong selector to balance out things, but there we have Agarkar 

[tapandrun]

3 hours ago, Gollum said:

GG has extremely strong likes and dislikes, which is the most undesirable quality in a coach, and Gill seems like a yes man. Need an independent minded, strong selector to balance out things, but there we have Agarkar 

No he does not have likes and dislikes, he has weird theories and makes statements which he can not stand-by to.

He once said Jaiwal should play all formats and now  jiswal is just 1 format player.

 

he has made both test and odi teams like a project team. 

Even in tests not sure where Sundar fits-in? teams needs to take 20 wkts and now there is a situation where Jadeja is degrading as bowler and Sundar is also not like who can take wkts, so how is the team going to get 20 wkts ???

 

Sundar does not have shots or power game to be in white-ball playing at 6/7/8.

 

 

 

[Sooda]

4 hours ago, tapandrun said:

 

 

Sundar does not have shots or power game to be in white-ball playing at 6/7/8.

 

 

 

 

No but we need batting at 8 and for now it is between him and Axar. Don't think Axar should be at 5. 

 

[Ultimate_Game]

12 minutes ago, Sooda said:

 

No but we need batting at 8 and for now it is between him and Axar. Don't think Axar should be at 5. 

 

 

I would pick Parag in LOIs and also try to bring in Vipraj Nigam for T20s.

[tapandrun]

2 hours ago, Sooda said:

 

No but we need batting at 8 and for now it is between him and Axar. Don't think Axar should be at 5. 

 

There is no point in having an off-spinner in white-ball team, and then add the lack of sundar's power game to bat at 6/7/8. Its just a waste of position.

Add a proper batter and ask them to bowl off-spin

[Ultimate_Game]

25 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

There is no point in having an off-spinner in white-ball team, and then add the lack of sundar's power game to bat at 6/7/8. Its just a waste of position.

Add a proper batter and ask them to bowl off-spin

 

Yup, like Parag

[Lord]

Washi has no business playing white ball international cricket.

 

GG dropped Kuldeep for him

[Lord]

3 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

I would pick Parag in LOIs and also try to bring in Vipraj Nigam for T20s.

 

Even Digvesh Rathee can tonk a bit

[Ultimate_Game]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

 

Even Digvesh Rathee can tonk a bit

 

Parag is more like Maxwell than Rathee. Parag needs to be given a chance and I would even put Vipraj Nigam ahead of Rathee.

[Sooda]

10 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

I would pick Parag in LOIs and also try to bring in Vipraj Nigam for T20s.

 

8 hours ago, tapandrun said:

There is no point in having an off-spinner in white-ball team, and then add the lack of sundar's power game to bat at 6/7/8. Its just a waste of position.

Add a proper batter and ask them to bowl off-spin

 

Yep Sundar is totally unsuited to 7 or 8 and Agree with Vipraj needing a look in T20is 

 

His A team outing wasn't great with the ball but it's good selectors are giving him that exposure

 

I would love Parag to feature and is probably a better option in that lower order with more of a power game, but we will be wasting him there , he is a no 4 or 5 

 

Ideally, especially away in Aus we would have a pace man who could bat at no 8 but alas

[cowboysfan]

2 hours ago, Sooda said:

 

 

Yep Sundar is totally unsuited to 7 or 8 and Agree with Vipraj needing a look in T20is 

 

His A team outing wasn't great with the ball but it's good selectors are giving him that exposure

 

I would love Parag to feature and is probably a better option in that lower order with more of a power game, but we will be wasting him there , he is a no 4 or 5 

 

Ideally, especially away in Aus we would have a pace man who could bat at no 8 but alas

Para was man of the series in the A games against Aussies and he was discarded for no  reason,his only crime is getting injured.

[Ultimate_Game]

5 hours ago, Sooda said:

 

 

Yep Sundar is totally unsuited to 7 or 8 and Agree with Vipraj needing a look in T20is 

 

His A team outing wasn't great with the ball but it's good selectors are giving him that exposure

 

I would love Parag to feature and is probably a better option in that lower order with more of a power game, but we will be wasting him there , he is a no 4 or 5 

 

Ideally, especially away in Aus we would have a pace man who could bat at no 8 but alas

 

We need to find pace all-rounders. Once Pandya's gone we don't have anyone to replace him. That's why want the "Impact Player" rule gone from the IPL as there's no incentive for teams to pick or bowl all-rounders and develop their games. That's why likes of Nitish, Abhishek, Parag, Rinku hardly bowl in IPL. Would be good to develop some all-rounders, especially pace ones.