rangeelaraja Posted May 7 Posted May 7 10 minutes ago, kepler37b said: TMCs foot soldiers are jihadi scums. Need a real life enactment of an tak chappan. Even more Declare TMC as a terrorist organization. Ajay Pal Sharma was brought on for this very purpose. He has a stupendous track record of doing cleanup in UP. There was some rumor that he would be stationed in Bengal for a while, not sure if it is true. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/who-is-ajay-pal-sharma-up-ips-officer-and-encounter-specialist-behind-viral-bengal-poll-video/articleshow/130575290.cms
mishra Posted May 7 Posted May 7 @straighttalk if someone is Kafir than by definition itself that someone can be killed. Because people who call me kafir read that book completely. coffee_rules 1
straighttalk Posted May 7 Posted May 7 2 minutes ago, mishra said: @straighttalk if someone is Kafir than by definition itself that someone can be killed. Because people who call me kafir read that book completely. I am not an expert in Muslim or even Hindu scripts...I know kafir is used to describe non Muslims..which as many Hinduvta followers should be a badge of honor as they do not want to be associated with that religion. I do agree that radical Muslims often twist Quaran to justify killing non Muslims. This is what Gemini said when I asked what Kafir means: Kāfir (Arabic: كافر; plural: kuffār or kāfirūn) is an Islamic term for a non-Muslim, often translated as "disbeliever," "unbeliever," or "infidel". Derived from the root \(K-F-R\), meaning "to cover" or "hide," it technically refers to one who hides or denies the truth of Islam. The term is used in the Quran to describe disbelievers, rejectors, or those ungrateful to God.Key aspects of the term kafir include:Literal and Theological Meaning: It refers to one who "covers up" the truth of Islam's message or denies God's authority. It implies a conscious rejection of divine truths rather than just non-belief.Usage in Quran: It describes those who reject faith, particularly those who were actively hostile to early Muslims, such as polytheists. The term is sometimes used to describe ingratitude towards God.Controversy and Context: While a standard term in Islamic theology, applying it to other Muslims (known as takfir) is highly controversial and generally forbidden unless they renounce Islam.Kafir vs. People of the Book: Historically, theologians sometimes distinguished between mushrik (polytheists/idolaters) and Ahl al-Kitab (People of the Book, i.e., Jews and Christians), although the Quran uses the term for both in different contexts.Opposite Term: The opposite of kafir is mu'min (believer).The term is different from, and should not be confused with, the historical racial slur "kaffir" found in South African contexts, which has a different etymological origin. I want to reiterate I am not defending her usage of the word kafir..I was saying she didn't call for killing of Hindus. She didn't even say BJP followers her kafirs..she said she is not a kafir.
straighttalk Posted May 7 Posted May 7 41 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said: Ajay Pal Sharma was brought on for this very purpose. He has a stupendous track record of doing cleanup in UP. There was some rumor that he would be stationed in Bengal for a while, not sure if it is true. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/who-is-ajay-pal-sharma-up-ips-officer-and-encounter-specialist-behind-viral-bengal-poll-video/articleshow/130575290.cms It would be much easier to commit encounters and extra judicial killings or genocide at hand of Bengali police officers in bengal than bringing in outsiders...easier to sell politically yet achieving the goal of eliminating political and religious opponents- similar to SIR...people in power needs to be sly and achieve their goals to ensure continuous electoral success.
straighttalk Posted May 7 Posted May 7 5 hours ago, bsriharsha said: And you have that Bengali "hindu" actress singing Mecca madina. How much have they taken hindu votes for granted ? They took it granted and got defeated by Hindu votes...serves them right.
straighttalk Posted May 7 Posted May 7 5 hours ago, coffee_rules said: What are you talking about? The video I said had audio, your phone has a problem maybe. Please don’t lecture me what kaffir means. Read the Quran or some hadees and what orthodox Muslim should do with kafir. Kafir means a non believer who does not believe in Islam. Here she is saying she is not a kafir and she knows how to fight for victory. Please tell me where she is calling a BJP supporter kafir and calling for their deaths. Isn't that what we are debating. Are we debating she used the word kafir..I don't think so
coffee_rules Posted May 7 Posted May 7 56 minutes ago, straighttalk said: I don't think I am arguing the usage of the word kafir here. I do agree her usage there is anti Hindu. The original claim by a poster was a sitting cm called for the killing of Hindus. Like modi. Varun and yogi ecplicty said kill muslims.most likely @vayuu1 (not sure) made it. I asked which cm and show me the video. @coffee_rules provided a video with subtitles and no audio. When challenged he provided Gemini account. So my debate was not about whether she said kafir or not...she didn't call for any killings. What she said was kafirs don't fight and she is not kafir and she fights to win. There is not death or killing. That is the debate. What you are referring to...was not something we were debating. I do agree it was inflammatory to use that kind of language...insulting Hindus will result in Hindus deserted her and she has been punished electorally. I never said she didn't use kafir. I am against religion being part of politics and winning votes by pitching one group of people against another. That applies to BJP and tmc and Congress. I hate freebies to any community except poor people of any religion. Here is the same video I can hear the audio in this, I don’t know what you are claiming that there is no audio. Take care. Here she says BJP sympathizers are kaffirs and they don’t fight but die. We are fighters and those who fight live. This is nothing but a. Unveiled threat to kill as was evident in post.poll violence in 2021 and in all Bengal elections before where many people died where hanged to death on trees, and she says these things to provoke Muslims (usage of kaffir is directed for Hindus in Muslim minds
coffee_rules Posted May 7 Posted May 7 7 minutes ago, straighttalk said: Kafir means a non believer who does not believe in Islam. Here she is saying she is not a kafir and she knows how to fight for victory. Please tell me where she is calling a BJP supporter kafir and calling for their deaths. Isn't that what we are debating. Are we debating she used the word kafir..I don't think so Nobody cares on what context Quran has quoted about kaffirs to be killed. But it is used by radical Muslims to kill Hindus, especially in cases of Pahalgam or even in communal riots. So do not normalize the word kaffir like some Bollywood writers have been doing. It is a hate word and a slur in some countries like South Africa. We should not be normalizing the word and use it in songs and speeches. It is a hateful word.
singhvivek141 Posted May 7 Posted May 7 25 minutes ago, straighttalk said: Kafir means a non believer who does not believe in Islam. Here she is saying she is not a kafir and she knows how to fight for victory. Please tell me where she is calling a BJP supporter kafir and calling for their deaths. Isn't that what we are debating. Are we debating she used the word kafir..I don't think so I'm confused here You yourself mentioned...Kafir is a non-believer as per Islam. So not a kafir means believer in Allah. She is calling herself believer of Allah, and as per Islam...a believer of Allah can be the believer of "no one else"...Period. I think we all are in sync till here. So, now BJP supporters, who are Hindus and believe in Maa Durga, Lord Shiva, Lord Vishnu etc...they are now a non-believer as per Islam, so they're a kafir. And what's the punishment for a Kafir in Quran. Well I think we all know that. Gemini, Chatgpt has made our lives easier. Biggest joke, if she's is saying she's not a kafir, does it means she don't pray to Hindu Gods and Goddesses. And if she does, then she is a kafir. coffee_rules 1
straighttalk Posted May 7 Posted May 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said: I'm confused here You yourself mentioned...Kafir is a non-believer as per Islam. So not a kafir means believer in Allah. She is calling herself believer of Allah, and as per Islam...a believer of Allah can be the believer of "no one else"...Period. I think we all are in sync till here. So, now BJP supporters, who are Hindus and believe in Maa Durga, Lord Shiva, Lord Vishnu etc...they are now a non-believer as per Islam, so they're a kafir. And what's the punishment for a Kafir in Quran. Well I think we all know that. Gemini, Chatgpt has made our lives easier. Biggest joke, if she's is saying she's not a kafir, does it means she don't pray to Hindu Gods and Goddesses. And if she does, then she is a kafir. We are all on the same page that she said she is not a kafir. Why she said is up to her. I asked the person who said sitting cm threatened to kill Hindus. I asked which sitting cm. Coffe shared a video which showed she said she is not a kafir and knows how to fight for victory. We are not debating whether she said she is not a kafir..we are debating whether she said kill Hindus . She has freedom of speech..she can say what she wants ..then she will face consequences. She wanted to say she is not a kafir...she got shellacked by Hindus in election. We can't take away her right to speak but we can disagree and not elect her if she does not represent our values I asked Gemini...does Islam say kill kafirs. You can check it yourself. This is the answer AS YOU SAID THANKS TO GEMINI WE ALL KNOW Islam does not advocate the indiscriminate killing of kafirs (non-believers/disbelievers). Quranic verses often cited, such as Surah At-Tawbah 9:5, refer to specific historical contexts of active warfare, broken treaties, or enemies engaging in combat, rather than a universal command to kill non-Muslims. [1, 2] Key points to understand the context: • Contextual Warfare: Verses encouraging fighting often refer to battles against polytheists who broke peace treaties or were actively attacking Muslims, not civilians or peaceful neighbors. • Prohibition of Killing Innocents: The Quran strictly prohibits killing innocent people, stating that killing one innocent human being is like killing all of humanity (Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:32). • Protection for Non-Combatants: The Prophet Muhammad ﷺ forbade the killing of non-combatants, including women and children, and encouraged providing asylum to those seeking safety. • Conditional Fighting: The instruction is to fight those who attack, but if they cease hostilities, turn to peace, or seek asylum, they are to be protected. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5] Conclusion: The injunctions to fight are specialized to combat situations in historical contexts, and mainstream Islamic teaching emphasizes peace, justice, and the sanctity of life. [1, 3, 6] AI responses may include mistakes. [1] https://www.facebook.com/zakirnaik/videos/does-the-quran-promote-violence-dr-zakir-naik/1649000652255536/ [2] https://www.alislam.org/question/quran-infidels-killed/ [3] https://crescent.icit-digital.org/articles/islam-s-view-on-slaying-of-innocents [4] https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-Holy-Quran-say-to-kill-Kafirs [5] https://www.facebook.com/askamuslimofficial/videos/the-quran-says-kill-the-disbelievers-wherever-you-find-them/1903061609929005/ [6] https://www.reddit.com/r/islam/comments/1ddb27s/is_it_true_that_islam_preaches_v iolence_towards/ Edited May 7 by straighttalk
straighttalk Posted May 7 Posted May 7 3 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Nobody cares on what context Quran has quoted about kaffirs to be killed. But it is used by radical Muslims to kill Hindus, especially in cases of Pahalgam or even in communal riots. So do not normalize the word kaffir like some Bollywood writers have been doing. It is a hate word and a slur in some countries like South Africa. We should not be normalizing the word and use it in songs and speeches. It is a hateful word. Let's set aside the debate of the word kafir...I don't agree with you but I don't want to debate it here. I have asked chat gpt and it said what I posted just above. Radicals will always misuse it..doesn't mean it is right We are debating whether mamata as cm called for killing of Hindus as was accused. Whatever you shared does not prove that . One she called herself not kafir..never did she say BJP is kafirs . She said she is not a kafir and she knows how to fight for victory She did not call for violence or killing of kafirs. She didn't refer others as kafirs. She said she is not a kafir
coffee_rules Posted May 7 Posted May 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, straighttalk said: Let's set aside the debate of the word kafir...I don't agree with you but I don't want to debate it here. I have asked chat gpt and it said what I posted just above. Radicals will always misuse it..doesn't mean it is right We are debating whether mamata as cm called for killing of Hindus as was accused. Whatever you shared does not prove that . One she called herself not kafir..never did she say BJP is kafirs . She said she is not a kafir and she knows how to fight for victory She did not call for violence or killing of kafirs. She didn't refer others as kafirs. She said she is not a kafir Rehn de. Let’s move on. If you are looking for exact sentences that she called for killing of Hindus, we will never be able to concur. It is all about interpretations . She says she is not a kaafir , who are darpok and they die without fighting. She is a fighter and all fighters fight and live. So the interpretation is fighters need to fight against kaffirs and they prevail. ChatGPT will not give you practical interpretations of some words, it comes from lived experiences and what you can perceive in real life. Edited May 7 by coffee_rules
straighttalk Posted May 8 Posted May 8 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: Rehn de. Let’s move on. If you are looking for exact sentences that she called for killing of Hindus, we will never be able to concur. It is all about interpretations . She says she is not a kaafir , who are darpok and they die without fighting. She is a fighter and all fighters fight and live. So the interpretation is fighters need to fight against kaffirs and they prevail. ChatGPT will not give you practical interpretations of some words, it comes from lived experiences and what you can perceive in real life. To be clear I agree it is in poor taste and I am glad she was voted out by Hindus for pandering shamelessly and unnecessarily. This borders on insulting Hindus and it was up to the people to make their choice clear. If that was the claim I agree with you on that but for the rest let's agree to disagree and put this to rest. coffee_rules 1
Gollum Posted May 8 Posted May 8 Shocked to read that this is true, all cases buried under the carpet. Before Chandranath Rath, Suvendu Adhikari Lost 3 Aides In 13 Years
bsriharsha Posted May 8 Posted May 8 Suvendu might have won BJP the election. But he was rather too close to Mamata. I am not sure whether he will be the right choice for the CM. But his previous close links with Mamata don't paint a good profile
G_B_ Posted May 8 Author Posted May 8 1 minute ago, bsriharsha said: Suvendu might have won BJP the election. But he was rather too close to Mamata. I am not sure whether he will be the right choice for the CM. But his previous close links with Mamata don't paint a good profile He defeated her twice... It has to be him...
randomGuy Posted May 8 Posted May 8 21 minutes ago, Gollum said: Shocked to read that this is true, all cases buried under the carpet. Before Chandranath Rath, Suvendu Adhikari Lost 3 Aides In 13 Years 2 cases as TMC leader, 2 as BJP leader.
G_B_ Posted May 8 Author Posted May 8 This tn situ is brcoming a joke. Admk with backing of dmk? Tvk+ admk is only stable alliance.
Gollum Posted May 8 Posted May 8 Who all here remembers Tapan Ghosh? BJP owes a lot to this man. G_B_ and singhvivek141 2
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