MechEng Posted April 13 Posted April 13 2 hours ago, mishra said: Whole game was to use Pakistani army. Pakistani were demanding more money for it. May be they are asking for even more. But signing of defence pact with Saudi, than UAE asking for their money and than Saudis and Qataris ging 5 billion to Pakistan so that they can give money to UAE while duting talks the mobilisation of Pakistani forces and US forces was all means to press Iranian a bit more. @MechEng these are facts on ground. Doesn’t matter how its reported in media Neeraj Chopra aur Arshad Nadeem se bhi lamba fek rahe ho yaha pe. Once proven right, then tell me.
MechEng Posted April 13 Posted April 13 50 minutes ago, randomGuy said: @MechEng Sorry to say, seems like is hurt by bad experiences in India...but my humble suggestion is, don't lose hope, don't over criticize, don't be overly pessimistic and/or cynical thinking one is being a realist. This 'godi' media lingo , 'andh bhakt' lingo etc doesn't suit reasonable people. Do you now know why Indian narrative is not taken seriously? It's because of trashy reporting like this and how social media spreads this. News channels are competing for views, so put out any bizarre unverified stuff to grab viewership.
randomGuy Posted April 13 Posted April 13 4 minutes ago, MechEng said: Do you now know why Indian narrative is not taken seriously? It's because of trashy reporting like this and how social media spreads this. News channels are competing for views, so put out any bizarre unverified stuff to grab viewership. Special Envoy of the US President Steve Witkoff and Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi almost got into a fight at the talks in Islamabad. This was stated in the social network X by the journalist of the Turkish publication Habertürk Cetiner Cetin Подробнее: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2026/04/12/witkoff-and-arakchi-almost-got-into-a-fight-at-talks-in-islamabad-haberturk And this is from Grok AI "Yes, that's the claim circulating widely. Turkish journalist Çetiner Çetin (also spelled Cetiner Cetin) of the Habertürk newspaper posted on X (formerly Twitter) on April 12, 2026, reporting that a heated exchange during the U.S.-Iran negotiations in Islamabad nearly turned physical between U.S. Special Envoy Steve Witkoff and Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi (also transliterated as Araghchi or Arakchi).5c69c6 According to Çetin, the tension erupted over disagreements on the management/control of the Strait of Hormuz. He described it as a "tense situation" that "almost turned into a physical fight," with some circulating versions of his report adding that Araqchi reportedly shouted something along the lines of “Never threaten the Iranian people…”14fec3 This detail has been picked up and repeated by various outlets (including EADaily, Izvestia, World Israel News, and social media accounts), often framing it as coming directly from Çetin's on-the-ground reporting from Pakistan.57beea Quick context on the talks The U.S.-Iran (and Pakistan-mediated) negotiations in Islamabad on April 11-12, 2026, were real high-stakes talks aimed at solidifying a fragile ceasefire after recent conflict. The U.S. side included figures like JD Vance, Steve Witkoff, and Jared Kushner; the Iranian side featured Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi and Parliament Speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf. They ended without a deal after roughly 21 hours, with both sides describing mood swings and rising tensions but no breakthrough.71b8fa Major outlets covering the summit (NYT, Guardian, Times of Israel, Al Jazeera, etc.) confirm the talks were tense and focused heavily on the Strait of Hormuz, but none independently corroborate the near-physical-fight detail—it traces back solely to Çetin's X post so far.14d138 No official statements from the U.S., Iranian, or Pakistani governments have addressed or confirmed the alleged incident. It's possible Çetin had unique access or sources in the room/pool, but without video, photos, or cross-verification from other journalists present, it remains an unconfirmed report at this stage." mishra 1
randomGuy Posted April 13 Posted April 13 Anyhow, if you use 'godi' media, 'andhbhakt' etc. lingo then you are part of piddi media, rubbish kumar fan club. @MechEng...can not discount even if you maybe frustrated, worn out from your experiences. ravishingravi 1
Lone Wolf Posted April 13 Posted April 13 (edited) 38 minutes ago, bsriharsha said: They won't risk f16's getting shot down. An f16 costs more than the chinese jets. They have around 150 older Mirage as well. Chinese aircrafts won't be around those Saudi bases that has US radar and SAM systems that's certain. F16's can be easily replenished by Lockheed Martin.. they might as well give them brand new Block V variants lol Edited April 13 by Lone Wolf
mishra Posted April 13 Posted April 13 42 minutes ago, MechEng said: Do you now know why Indian narrative is not taken seriously? It's because of trashy reporting like this and how social media spreads this. News channels are competing for views, so put out any bizarre unverified stuff to grab viewership. Bhai, You want deeper news. I will give you deeper news. You need to understand term “Favourite Field Marshall”. Why is he “Favourite Field Marshall”. Especially if one and only enemy is “China”. What exactly Trump/US wants him to do. Iran stuff will be over in 1 year. But Munir stiill has few more years. What exactly has he “Contracted” from US. Trust me, I don’t know the answer. If you can, or anyone can, that will be helpful. Because this “what he wants from Favourite Field Marshall?” Is key that no media/Hamam is answering.
mishra Posted April 13 Posted April 13 54 minutes ago, randomGuy said: Special Envoy of the US President Steve Witkoff and Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi almost got into a fight at the talks in Islamabad. This was stated in the social network X by the journalist of the Turkish publication Habertürk Cetiner Cetin Подробнее: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2026/04/12/witkoff-and-arakchi-almost-got-into-a-fight-at-talks-in-islamabad-haberturk And this is from Grok AI "Yes, that's the claim circulating widely. Turkish journalist Çetiner Çetin (also spelled Cetiner Cetin) of the Habertürk newspaper posted on X (formerly Twitter) on April 12, 2026, reporting that a heated exchange during the U.S.-Iran negotiations in Islamabad nearly turned physical between U.S. Special Envoy Steve Witkoff and Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi (also transliterated as Araghchi or Arakchi).5c69c6 According to Çetin, the tension erupted over disagreements on the management/control of the Strait of Hormuz. He described it as a "tense situation" that "almost turned into a physical fight," with some circulating versions of his report adding that Araqchi reportedly shouted something along the lines of “Never threaten the Iranian people…”14fec3 This detail has been picked up and repeated by various outlets (including EADaily, Izvestia, World Israel News, and social media accounts), often framing it as coming directly from Çetin's on-the-ground reporting from Pakistan.57beea Quick context on the talks The U.S.-Iran (and Pakistan-mediated) negotiations in Islamabad on April 11-12, 2026, were real high-stakes talks aimed at solidifying a fragile ceasefire after recent conflict. The U.S. side included figures like JD Vance, Steve Witkoff, and Jared Kushner; the Iranian side featured Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi and Parliament Speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf. They ended without a deal after roughly 21 hours, with both sides describing mood swings and rising tensions but no breakthrough.71b8fa Major outlets covering the summit (NYT, Guardian, Times of Israel, Al Jazeera, etc.) confirm the talks were tense and focused heavily on the Strait of Hormuz, but none independently corroborate the near-physical-fight detail—it traces back solely to Çetin's X post so far.14d138 No official statements from the U.S., Iranian, or Pakistani governments have addressed or confirmed the alleged incident. It's possible Çetin had unique access or sources in the room/pool, but without video, photos, or cross-verification from other journalists present, it remains an unconfirmed report at this stage." Sometime media uses "sources" and than say we havent independently verified but no one has "denied" what they are reporting randomGuy 1
rkt.india Posted April 13 Posted April 13 (edited) 4 hours ago, randomGuy said: Special Envoy of the US President Steve Witkoff and Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi almost got into a fight at the talks in Islamabad. This was stated in the social network X by the journalist of the Turkish publication Habertürk Cetiner Cetin Подробнее: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2026/04/12/witkoff-and-arakchi-almost-got-into-a-fight-at-talks-in-islamabad-haberturk And this is from Grok AI "Yes, that's the claim circulating widely. Turkish journalist Çetiner Çetin (also spelled Cetiner Cetin) of the Habertürk newspaper posted on X (formerly Twitter) on April 12, 2026, reporting that a heated exchange during the U.S.-Iran negotiations in Islamabad nearly turned physical between U.S. Special Envoy Steve Witkoff and Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi (also transliterated as Araghchi or Arakchi).5c69c6 According to Çetin, the tension erupted over disagreements on the management/control of the Strait of Hormuz. He described it as a "tense situation" that "almost turned into a physical fight," with some circulating versions of his report adding that Araqchi reportedly shouted something along the lines of “Never threaten the Iranian people…”14fec3 This detail has been picked up and repeated by various outlets (including EADaily, Izvestia, World Israel News, and social media accounts), often framing it as coming directly from Çetin's on-the-ground reporting from Pakistan.57beea Quick context on the talks The U.S.-Iran (and Pakistan-mediated) negotiations in Islamabad on April 11-12, 2026, were real high-stakes talks aimed at solidifying a fragile ceasefire after recent conflict. The U.S. side included figures like JD Vance, Steve Witkoff, and Jared Kushner; the Iranian side featured Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi and Parliament Speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf. They ended without a deal after roughly 21 hours, with both sides describing mood swings and rising tensions but no breakthrough.71b8fa Major outlets covering the summit (NYT, Guardian, Times of Israel, Al Jazeera, etc.) confirm the talks were tense and focused heavily on the Strait of Hormuz, but none independently corroborate the near-physical-fight detail—it traces back solely to Çetin's X post so far.14d138 No official statements from the U.S., Iranian, or Pakistani governments have addressed or confirmed the alleged incident. It's possible Çetin had unique access or sources in the room/pool, but without video, photos, or cross-verification from other journalists present, it remains an unconfirmed report at this stage." Fighting over Hormuz while everything was peaceful before amrika ne apni gaan di asia me aa ke. Edited April 13 by rkt.india
bsriharsha Posted April 13 Posted April 13 22 hours ago, MechEng said: How can you become next Sweden without undergoing systemic changes and years of pain to achieve prosperity? Even India is way far off from that goal. Evidently Hamid Mir feels that setting up a successful peace deal will get them good will which will allow them to beg from more countries. Weird *ed up logics those Pakistanis have. They've been on the begging end for so long that they don't know what it takes to earn honest money
bsriharsha Posted April 13 Posted April 13 3 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: They have around 150 older Mirage as well. Chinese aircrafts won't be around those Saudi bases that has US radar and SAM systems that's certain. F16's can be easily replenished by Lockheed Martin.. they might as well give them brand new Block V variants lol It's not as if China is giving Pakistan top of the line equipment. There's nothing about the Chinese aircraft that the US will not have known. Pakistanis would have already leaked everything about aircrafts to other countries. Be it f16 to China or jf17 to USA.
Lone Wolf Posted April 13 Posted April 13 (edited) 11 minutes ago, bsriharsha said: It's not as if China is giving Pakistan top of the line equipment. There's nothing about the Chinese aircraft that the US will not have known. Pakistanis would have already leaked everything about aircrafts to other countries. Be it f16 to China or jf17 to USA. But Chinese can gather information about American systems. It goes both ways. J10c is 4.5 gen though Pak right now only has 20 of them. A squadron is right there in Skardu base in PoJK. That only leaves Mirage and F16's as options. F16's are heavy hitters and KSA is paying top dollars to munira so they will get these likely Edited April 13 by Lone Wolf
MechEng Posted April 13 Posted April 13 3 hours ago, randomGuy said: Anyhow, if you use 'godi' media, 'andhbhakt' etc. lingo then you are part of piddi media, rubbish kumar fan club. @MechEng...can not discount even if you maybe frustrated, worn out from your experiences. Bhai, you'll sooner or later realize. Ever wondered why some of the ICFers have stopped posting on politics? Gollum 1
mishra Posted April 13 Posted April 13 (edited) 37 minutes ago, MechEng said: Bhai, you'll sooner or later realize. Ever wondered why some of the ICFers have stopped posting on politics? You may have a point. The way I see is India has decided to watch from sidelines as Iran burns because speking will have reprecursions. So all it has done is let media handle it in their own way. Just like Pakistani media is showing it as a diplomatic victory for Pakistan vis a vis India, Indian media is concentrating on Pakistani loss and Trump TACO when in reality serious subject is Iran crisis and its implications on India and rest around us Edited April 13 by mishra
bsriharsha Posted April 13 Posted April 13 1 hour ago, MechEng said: Bhai, you'll sooner or later realize. Ever wondered why some of the ICFers have stopped posting on politics? I'll be just as quick to call out modi govt. Modi did a huge disservice with his fatherland proclamation.
bsriharsha Posted April 13 Posted April 13 1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said: J10c is 4.5 gen though Pak right now only has 20 of them. A squadron is right there in Skardu base in PoJK. Pakistan won't send j10c though.
bsriharsha Posted April 13 Posted April 13 6 hours ago, ravishingravi said: First step towards Norway Pakistan doing their bit to fight against global warming ravishingravi and jf1gp_1 2
kepler37b Posted April 14 Author Posted April 14 11 hours ago, ravishingravi said: India playing a fine line. In general indian politicians are so skilled at playing balancing game. They need it. Else they cannot survive in a ultra diverse democracy. ravishingravi 1
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