Time to look beyond the SKY

[Sean Bradley]

Not making this thread because of this one loss to a great SAF team, but Surya has been a shadow of his past and captaincy has not been that great. We may still go ahead and win the World Cup, but I think it’s time that Surya hand his captaincy to a a younger player (not Gill), My next T20 Captain (dark horse) would be Ishan Kishan, he’s young, has a firey attitude and has recently won his domestic team a T20 title. Captaincy will do him a world of good, phase Surya out and bring in Suryavanshi and make place for Jaiswal in the middle order.

 

My next T20 Worldcup line up would be.

 

Abhishek

Suryvanshi

Kishan

Jaiswal

Pandya

Dube

Rinku

Axar

Chakra

Bumrah

Arshdeep

 

 

 

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

Shreyas Iyer should be captain for a while. Pandya is an injury prone player. Others are not good with captaincy.

[Ultimate_Game]

Iyer should've been the captain with Jaiswal in the team. Selectors phucked up backing SKY whose only scoring shot is swipe across the line in the direction of fine leg.

[Sean Bradley]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

Shreyas Iyer should be captain for a while. Pandya is an injury prone player. Others are not good with captaincy.

He is currently unable to find a place in the team, plus he’s not that young. T20

is a youngsters game and the selectors should think out of the box.

Making Dhoni captain of T20 side was a thinking out of the box back then by selectors, he was not even a contender, there were seniors like Sehwag, Gambhir, Yuvraj in the team, but making Dhoni captain was a master stroke.

 

sadly our best T20 win was in 2007 and it took 17 years for us to win the next title. We should repeat 2007 model in every T20 world cups. Pack team with youngsters with a a couple of experienced players.

[Sean Bradley]

5 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Iyer should've been the captain with Jaiswal in the team. Selectors phucked up backing SKY whose only scoring shot is swipe across the line in the direction of fine leg.

Agree, Surya from 360 degree has been marginalised to leg side hack. he is clueless if the ball is pitched wide outside off stump.

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, Sean Bradley said:

He is currently unable to find a place in the team, plus he’s not that young. T20

is a youngsters game and the selectors should think out of the box.

Making Dhoni captain of T20 side was a thinking out of the box back then by selectors, he was not even a contender, there were seniors like Sehwag, Gambhir, Yuvraj in the team, but making Dhoni captain was a master stroke.

 

sadly our best T20 win was in 2007 and it took 17 years for us to win the next title. We should repeat 2007 model in every T20 world cups. Pack team with youngsters with a a couple of experienced players.

You need good captain first. Otehrwise filling with good players is not enough. Among the guys Iyer is the best. I can't see a single captain material in the current set. All look like guys looking for direction. We saw that clown Jitesh sharma captaincy in the emerging cup. It was atrocious.

[IndianRenegade]

 

[The Realist]

Why was he appointed captain in the first place? What are his credentials?

 

Very limited player

Captaincy very poor 

No real leadership 

Washed up

[Ultimate_Game]

5 hours ago, Sean Bradley said:

Agree, Surya from 360 degree has been marginalised to leg side hack. he is clueless if the ball is pitched wide outside off stump.

 

He's clueless against every delivery. He takes a long time to get going scoring around 100 SR for the best part and hoping he connects with a few swipes later in the innings.

 

Bet it spinners, pacers, slower ball or a pacy delivery, SKY only has one shot - move to the offside and try to hit/scoop/swipe it towards fine leg. Even if there's a fielder there he tries the same shot. His dismissal today was comical.

Edited February 23 by Ultimate_Game

[Ultimate_Game]

34 minutes ago, The Realist said:

Why was he appointed captain in the first place? What are his credentials?

 

Very limited player

Captaincy very poor 

No real leadership 

Washed up

 

He should've been kicked out last year and replaced by Iyer was showed amazing leadership in taking 3 poor IPL teams - DC, KKR and PBKS to IPL finals and winning one. Plus he's streets ahead of SKY as a captain. Now we've lame duck openers who can't play part-time spinners, a no. 3 who plays Tests and a no. 4 who's washed up and the only shot he knows is the scoop to fine leg.

[IndianRenegade]

One can't escape the conclusion that the top leadership of the team is just dumb.

 

1. you are telling me you dropped Axar, the man who took a brillant catch againt the aussies  to turn the game for us & actually delivered in a pressure game against South Africa in a WC T20I Final by scoring a fighting 47, the next time you faced them T20 WC? For whom? Sundar. What has Sundar ever done for India in any important T20 game? you picked him just because of some stupid match up on paper ignoring real performace? 
2. 50 odd/5 at the end of 10. There was zero recalibration trying to stay not out till end, your batters still come out swining to hit the very first ball to the boundary? whare is the number crunching, there wasn't a single soul in that stupid dugout to tell them to crawl to 140-150 without getting all out?
3. Every team sends off spinner for the 1st over, not once have batters thought lest play that over out. not once?
4. 4 out 5 games hardik has been out going for a slog of a wide ball from a spinner.. no attempt to fix his reach by going near the ball.

 

listen to this analysis if you understand tamil, I don't think there is anyone with half his brain in the indian set up. 

 

 

 

 

[cricketfan28]

No luck today for surya bhai ..he relies on chances ..none today ..only a wc win can save his legacy.

[Frustrated]

Question is not about how to boot out HACKs who hv been nearing retirement.   Question is: how such HACKs sneak into the team in the 1st place.  

[Frustrated]

SKY has played WT20 2021 (partly), WT20 2022, WT20 2024 & WT20 2026 (almost about to end now).   Except one memorable inning against SA (that too in a losing cause) in WT20 2022, SKY has nothing to show for.  (I am talking about his performance against big teams).  It has been 4 WT20s.  This is a huge sample size.  

[deathmonger]

34 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

SKY has played WT20 2021 (partly), WT20 2022, WT20 2024 & WT20 2026 (almost about to end now).   Except one memorable inning against SA (that too in a losing cause) in WT20 2022, SKY has nothing to show for.  (I am talking about his performance against big teams).  It has been 4 WT20s.  This is a huge sample size.  

Naah, can't discount his knocks vs Afg (who were semi finalist) in 2024 plus the USA knocks

 

[Bigg Brother]

I have been saying since last 1.5 year. The guy was never captaincy material and biggest problem in batting order. Minnow basher of highest order. 

[Ultimate_Game]

32 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

Naah, can't discount his knocks vs Afg (who were semi finalist) in 2024 plus the USA knocks

 

 

USA one yes, where again he was dropped else he would've failed just like today. Afg one was dead rubber. Overall not a single innings by SKY has had an impact. His best contribution was the Miller catch and for such a limited and impactless player to captain India is a travesty.

 

He can't play pace, he can't play spin and his only go to shot is the scoop/slog to fine leg area despite fielder being there. He isn't a 360 degree player, he's just a 45 degree player ranging from fine leg to a squarish fine leg or square leg area. Put a fine leg and a deep square leg fielder and watch the fun as he scoops the ball down their throats after missing plenty and scoring at a SR of around 100.

[BacktoCricaddict]

2 hours ago, IndianRenegade said:

One can't escape the conclusion that the top leadership of the team is just dumb.

 

1. you are telling me you dropped Axar, the man who took a brillant catch againt the aussies  to turn the game for us & actually delivered in a pressure game against South Africa in a WC T20I Final by scoring a fighting 47, the next time you faced them T20 WC? For whom? Sundar. What has Sundar ever done for India in any important T20 game? you picked him just because of some stupid match up on paper ignoring real performace? 
2. 50 odd/5 at the end of 10. There was zero recalibration trying to stay not out till end, your batters still come out swining to hit the very first ball to the boundary? whare is the number crunching, there wasn't a single soul in that stupid dugout to tell them to crawl to 140-150 without getting all out?
3. Every team sends off spinner for the 1st over, not once have batters thought lest play that over out. not once?
4. 4 out 5 games hardik has been out going for a slog of a wide ball from a spinner.. no attempt to fix his reach by going near the ball.

 

listen to this analysis if you understand tamil, I don't think there is anyone with half his brain in the indian set up. 

 

 

 

 

Dropping Axar in favor of Sundar in T20s is atrocious. Was he late to the bus or something? Did they just think like "hey, see all those offspinners getting us out? We should the same. Haiya... We have Washi, man!! Sioppar!!" 

[Ultimate_Game]

11 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Dropping Axar in favor of Sundar in T20s is atrocious. Was he late to the bus or something? Did they just think like "hey, see all those offspinners getting us out? We should the same. Haiya... We have Washi, man!! Sioppar!!" 

 

Markaram, Aryan Dutt, Salman Agha all out-bowled Sundar. Sundar's default is short of length cr@p which is easily hammered for a 4. He has yet to bowl tight line & length.

[deathmonger]

23 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

USA one yes, where again he was dropped else he would've failed just like today. Afg one was dead rubber. Overall not a single innings by SKY has had an impact. His best contribution was the Miller catch and for such a limited and impactless player to captain India is a travesty.

 

He can't play pace, he can't play spin and his only go to shot is the scoop/slog to fine leg area despite fielder being there. He isn't a 360 degree player, he's just a 45 degree player ranging from fine leg to a squarish fine leg or square leg area. Put a fine leg and a deep square leg fielder and watch the fun as he scoops the ball down their throats after missing plenty and scoring at a SR of around 100.

Afg wasn't dead rubber though.