zen Posted August 25 Posted August 25 (edited) Below is a list of Indian players who have stamped their impression on the opponents in overseas test series (1 player per country) through their iconic performances: * Australia - Pujara * England - Mankad … all-round performances with iconic events such as the Mankad Test named after him * New Zealand - Pataudi … through his iconic association with the 1968 series where he used the spin quartet to give India its first test series win in NZ (the first series win in SENA) … also the captain who made Indian players confident, which carried through to help India register its first series wins in WI and England as well a few years later in the early 70s * Pakistan - Sehwag * Sri Lanka - Sehwag * West Indies - Gavaskar * South Africa - ? Edited August 25 by zen
Manucrick Posted August 25 Posted August 25 24 minutes ago, zen said: Below is a list of Indian players who have stamped their impression on the opponents in overseas tests series (1-2 players per country) through their iconic performances: * Australia - Pujara * England - Mankad (most likely with events such as the Mankad Test named after him) * New Zealand - Maybe Pataudi at the moment … through his iconic association with the 1968 series where he used the spin quartet to give India its first test series win in NZ (also the first series win in SENA) … also the captain who made Indian players confident, which carried through to help India register its first series wins in WI and England as well a few years later * Pakistan - Sehwag * Sri Lanka - Sehwag * West Indies - Gavaskar * South Africa - ? Virat Kohli really good in sa
zen Posted August 25 Author Posted August 25 Just now, Manucrick said: Virat Kohli really good in sa We are talking about being iconic. Someone is going to perform better than the rest but that does necessarily translate into fans associating the player with the country for an iconic connection.
Manucrick Posted August 25 Posted August 25 Just now, zen said: We are talking about being iconic. Someone is going to perform better than the rest but that does necessarily translate into fans associating the player with the country for an iconic connection. Other than virat i don't know our players record in sa not that great
zen Posted August 25 Author Posted August 25 Just now, Manucrick said: Other than virat i don't know our players record in sa not that great yeah so SA remains a “?” at this point
Adamant Posted August 25 Posted August 25 2 minutes ago, zen said: We are talking about being iconic. Someone is going to perform better than the rest but that does necessarily translate into fans associating the player with the country for an iconic connection. India has never won a series in SA, so those kind of series defining performances are not there. Virat stood tall against Rabada, Philander, Steyn, Morkel and was the highest run scorer in the series and also in the match we won. He also never averaged less than 40 in any tour of SA. So its either Virat or Laxman. Siraj gets a shoutout too. Manucrick 1
Manucrick Posted August 25 Posted August 25 Just now, Adamant said: India has never won a series in SA, so those kind of series defining performances are not there. Virat stood tall against Rabada, Philander, Steyn, Morkel and was the highest run scorer in the series and also in the match we won. He also never averaged less than 40 in any tour of SA. So its either Virat or Laxman. Siraj gets a shoutout too. I go with virat he average 49 in sa
nevada Posted August 25 Posted August 25 Laxman in Australia deserves a mention. Vengsarkar in England - three consecutive centuries at Lords, top scored in difficult batting conditions and was instrumental in India winning a test series in England in 1986.
Norman Posted August 25 Posted August 25 Iconic in South Africa is probably Sreesanth's spell at Joburg 2006. nevada 1
zen Posted August 25 Author Posted August 25 (edited) 2 hours ago, Manucrick said: I go with virat he average 49 in sa Kohli can make it if we add captaincy to the mix too as he likely went to SA to win the series (rather than hoping to only be competitive), playing 5 pace bowlers too iirc in 2018, dropping the legacy of fitting in a spinner in the 11. Edited August 25 by zen
zen Posted August 25 Author Posted August 25 (edited) Kohli, for the combination of captaincy and batting, locked in for South Africa. The Iconic Indian Overseas Test Matrix Australia – Cheteshwar Pujara The Legacy: The immovable anchor who faced 1,258 balls in 2018/19 to mentally and physically exhaust Australia's elite pace trio, delivering India's historic, maiden Test series win Down Under. Add to that his body blows series in 2021. England – Vinoo Mankad The Legacy: The ultimate blueprint of all-round excellence. His legendary 1952 Lord's Test (scoring 72 & 184 and bowling 97 overs for 5 wickets) proved an Indian cricketer could completely dominate a Test match in demanding English conditions. England was one of the cricketing titans of the period. New Zealand – Mansoor Ali Khan Pataudi The Legacy: The grandfather of overseas belief. He weaponised India’s spin quartet to engineer a historic 3–1 triumph in 1968, marking India’s first-ever away series victory and establishing a winning mindset that crossed over to the West Indies and England tours of 1971. Pakistan – Virender Sehwag The Legacy: The psychological equalizer. By smashing an unprecedented 309 in Multan (2004), he utterly dismantled the fearsome reputation of Pakistan's home bowling attacks and permanently changed how India approached their arch-rivals. Sri Lanka – Virender Sehwag The Legacy: The tactical kryptonite. He single-handedly neutralized Sri Lanka's lethal mystery spinners at their absolute peak, most famously in Galle (2008) where his explosive 201* out of a team total of 329 rendered their home advantage useless. West Indies – Sunil Gavaskar The Legacy: The defiance against tyranny. Stepping up as a debutant in 1971 to amass a mind-boggling 774 runs, he stood tall against the Caribbean pace barrage and laid the foundational cornerstone for modern Indian batting resilience. South Africa – Virat Kohli The Legacy: The architectural cultural shift. By strictly enforcing a hyper-aggressive, five-bowler, all-pace strategy in 2018, he eradicated India’s traditional "play a spinner at least mindset," turning India into a feared touring side that hunted for 20 wickets on South Africa's greenest snake-pits, while leading from the front with the bat too. Edited August 25 by zen
vvvslaxman Posted August 25 Posted August 25 1 hour ago, Norman said: Iconic in South Africa is probably Sreesanth's spell at Joburg 2006. That is my memory besides capetown partnership between Azhar/Sachin which we lost though. We hardly played enough tests in a series. Also overly bowler friendly. No single individual did well in every single tests tostop the opposition. Strauss has a 600 plus series in SA and they won the series. Hoggard 26 wickets or so . Strauss won MOS. Same way warner made 3 centuries, 2 fifties in 6 innings won man of the series. Also Mitch johnson took 22 wickets. But guys like Lara made 500 runs they still lost 0-3.
maniac Posted August 25 Posted August 25 MSD 0 overseas centuries (I think he might have something in Bangladesh or Srilanka) but always brought up as alternative to Gilchrist etc now beat that iconic deception. Suhaan 1
zen Posted August 25 Author Posted August 25 (edited) 43 minutes ago, maniac said: MSD 0 overseas centuries (I think he might have something in Bangladesh or Srilanka) but always brought up as alternative to Gilchrist etc now beat that iconic deception. Outside India in tests, MSD has a 100 in Pak. I think people may have overvalued his LOI performances to transfer the ability in tests. MSD is iconic for his lunges, and for battling out a draw with a 70 odd in England iirc. Edited August 25 by zen maniac 1
vvvslaxman Posted August 25 Posted August 25 41 minutes ago, maniac said: MSD 0 overseas centuries (I think he might have something in Bangladesh or Srilanka) but always brought up as alternative to Gilchrist etc now beat that iconic deception. Made a 90 in England i think. There was a match where he made 87 or so.. second highest was 11 or 12.
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