coffee_rules Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 so Hussain is a mofo for painting the Hindu goddesses nude but the movie director is entitled to his freedom of expression? Yes. I am ok with both..but just wanted to know whether his views cuts both ways into other religions also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Yes. I am ok with both..but just wanted to know whether his views cuts both ways into other religions also. Not really. There is no reason why Asim's, or for that matter any other Muslim (or Hindu or Christian)'s viewpoint should be followed by others too. In fact if we all followed the idiom of not making fun of religious figurheads period! the world would be a much sorry and humorless place. I sure dont want that, simply because some nutcases think differently.:winky: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Not really. There is no reason why Asim's, or for that matter any other Muslim (or Hindu or Christian)'s viewpoint should be followed by others too. In fact if we all followed the idiom of not making fun of religious figurheads period! the world would be a much sorry and humorless place. I sure dont want that, simply because some nutcases think differently.:winky: Religion/Faith should be a personal thing. It's above all ridicule. It's about what "you" feel about god. If somebody thinks funny about your god, why should that offend you and what you believe about god. Why do you want everybody to respect what you do with your beliefs? Also, where do you draw the line? Fundoos will feel bad about something even more trivial and go around killing people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 ^ Aren't both Lurker and Coffee_rules typing the same thing? :hmmmm2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Religion/Faith should be a personal thing. It's above all ridicule. It's about what "you" feel about god. If somebody thinks funny about your god, why should that offend you and what you believe about god. Why do you want everybody to respect what you do with your beliefs? Also, where do you draw the line? Fundoos will feel bad about something even more trivial and go around killing people. Coffee side mein kar dijiye coffee saab, jyaada ho gaya subah subah. :winky: Hum aap ke baat se sau fisadi sehmat hain bhai :cheer::cheer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaloo Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 No one forces you to sit in the room and watch the video. Most of the people haven't even watched the video. They're just on the streets rioting because they have nothing better to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Khan Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 ^ Aren't both Lurker and Coffee_rules typing the same thing? :hmmmm2: too much coffee I guess :giggle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triam Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Asim, The example you gave is really illogical, here is why. Religious figures / political figures/ celebrities/historical figures are public figures, not private ones, someones mom is not a public persona. I am sure you make fun of Zardari (if not zardari some other pakistani plitician), if his supporters riot and kill people and ask google and youtube to remove all offending material will you be ok with that? A religious figure is the same, you may value him, love him or whatever, but he is in the public sphere and is open to ridicule. If you dont want that to happen keep your beliefs completely private dont talk about it in public, dont exercise your religious beliefs in public, there are a lot of buddhists in the world, why is buddhism not made fun of as much as christianity/islam?? because they keep it private, whatever their beliefs are (be it right or wrong), it is private. so, there is no equality in your example. Second part, if someone ties you up and mentally tortures you that is terrorism too, as long as you have the option of walking away and ignoring whatever offends you it is not, the people who were killed/hurt or their properties damaged have no option of walking away. So please realize the whole false dichotomy in your arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prakat Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Asim used to be a man of the world. It seems the wahabbis have got to him finally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 too much coffee I guess :giggle: Missed the "no" in the first sentence of Lurker's post. There is no reason why Asim's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Asim used to be a man of the world. It seems the wahabbis have got to him finally. I think it is more a case of the current era being an absolute hell-hole for Muslim moderates. They are being screwed from both sides, from conservatives from their own religion(and non-Muslim conservatives) as also the moderates from other religions. And tough as it is, it is also the fault of the community (I think). They have let their religion now being completely hijacked my morons. In India, for example, it is the Hindus who have kept a Modi in check. Inspite of his brilliant credentials (and he has quite a few) as the Administrator of Gujarat, he struggles every day with acceptance with mainstream. And much as he remains a BJP poster boy he struggles to be picked for PM candidacy. This is not due to hatred of Muslims, but because moderate Hindus dislike him for what he has done/was part of. Sadly enough one has to wonder if the moderate Muslims did they all that they could when they had a chance, in India and outside. Look at Pakistan and how they have been hijacked by hardliners. Imran Khan is their best bet and he is the one who got about 30-40 people killed after the Quran burning incident at Guantanamo Bay. :winky: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gs Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I think it is more a case of the current era being an absolute hell-hole for Muslim moderates. They are being screwed from both sides, from conservatives from their own religion(and non-Muslim conservatives) as also the moderates from other religions. And tough as it is, it is also the fault of the community (I think). They have let their religion now being completely hijacked my morons. In India, for example, it is the Hindus who have kept a Modi in check. Inspite of his brilliant credentials (and he has quite a few) as the Administrator of Gujarat, he struggles every day with acceptance with mainstream. And much as he remains a BJP poster boy he struggles to be picked for PM candidacy. This is not due to hatred of Muslims, but because moderate Hindus dislike him for what he has done/was part of. Sadly enough one has to wonder if the moderate Muslims did they all that they could when they had a chance, in India and outside. Look at Pakistan and how they have been hijacked by hardliners. Imran Khan is their best bet and he is the one who got about 30-40 people killed after the Quran burning incident at Guantanamo Bay. :winky: Very well put! :hatsoff: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panther Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 what's a moderate muslim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 ISLAMABAD (AP) — Marked by the U.S. Embassy seal, advertisements condemning an anti-Islam video appeared on Pakistani television on Thursday in an apparent attempt to undercut anger against the United States, where the film was produced. Hundreds of youths, however, clashed with security officials as they tried in vain to reach the embassy in Islamabad amid anger in many countries over the film's vulgar depiction of the Prophet Muhammad. The advertisements appear to be an effort by the U.S. government to dampen chaos surrounding the film and undo some of the damage to America's image in the Muslim world. Violence linked to the movie has left at least 30 people in seven countries dead, including the American ambassador to Libya. Two people have died in protests in Pakistan. In recent days, the decision by a French satirical magazine to release cartoons crudely depicting the prophet has added to the tension, as may the upcoming issue of the German satirical magazine Titanic. The magazine's co-editor Martin Sonneborn said it was up to readers to decide whether the cover of an Arab wielding a sword actually depicts the Prophet Muhammad. Most outrage appears linked to the amateurish movie, which portrays the prophet as a fraud, womanizer and child molester. The television ads in Pakistan feature clips of President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton during press appearances in Washington in which they condemned the video. Their words were subtitled in Urdu. "We absolutely reject its content and message," said Clinton in the advertisement. A caption on the ad reads: "Paid Content." The advertisements end with the seal of the American Embassy in Islamabad, the Pakistani capital. It was not known how many channels were airing the ads or whether they were being run in other Muslim countries or just Pakistan. An embassy spokeswoman declined comment. In an email later Thursday, the embassy sent out a link to video of ordinary Americans condemning the anti-Islam film, which appeared on YouTube. Protests have tapered off in many countries, but in Pakistan on Thursday, more than 2,000 people tried to reach the U.S. Embassy inside a guarded enclave that houses embassies and government offices. Riot police used tear gas and batons to keep the stone-throwing demonstrators away from the enclave, and hundreds of shipping containers were lined up to cordon off the area. The government later called in army troops to protect the restricted areas when it appeared that police could not handle the situation. "It is our responsibility to protect all our diplomats, all the foreigners," said Pakistani Information Minister Qamar Zaman Kaira. He criticized protesters for resorting to violence and suggested that various religious and militant groups among the crowd were to blame. Most of the protesters appeared to be students affiliated with the Islamist hardline Jamaat-e-Islami party. Flags from other Islamist groups, Jamaat-u-Dawa and the al-Qaida linked militant group, Sipah-e-Sahaba, could be seen flying among the crowd. Such groups have used the anti-Islam film as a rallying cry for their supporters. Demonstrators also rallied in the Pakistani cities of Lahore, Chaman, Karachi and Peshawar, although those demonstrations were peaceful. So far, the demonstrations have been fairly small by Pakistani standards, but are expected to grow Friday, the traditional Muslim day of prayer. The Pakistani government deemed Friday a national holiday so people can demonstrate peacefully against the film. That decision drew rare praise from the Pakistani Taliban, which is usually at war with the government. A spokesman for the militant group said it welcomed the decision but also thought the government should expel all American diplomats. The U.S. State Department on Thursday warned all U.S. citizens to defer non-essential travel to Pakistan until further notice. Their previous travel warning only reminded Americans of ongoing security concerns in the country. American consulates across the country have been closed to the public all week. In Indonesia, the U.S. consulate in the country's third-largest city of Medan shut its doors Thursday for a second day because of demonstrations. About 50 students from an Islamic university gathered in Makassar, the capital of South Sulawesi province in Indonesia. They burned tires and forced a McDonald's restaurant to close. In Iran, hundreds of students and clerics gathered outside the French embassy in Tehran to protest the publication of the caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad in the French weekly. In Kabul, a few hundred people demonstrated area against the film before dispersing peacefully.__ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Riot police used tear gas and batons to keep the stone-throwing demonstrators away from the enclave, and hundreds of shipping containers were lined up to cordon off the area. The government later called in army troops to protect the restricted areas when it appeared that police could not handle the situat ion. :facepalm: "It is our responsibility to protect all our diplomats, all the foreigners," said Pakistani Information Minister Qamar Zaman Kaira. He criticized protesters for resorting to violence and suggested that various religious and militant groups among the crowd were to blame. Didn't expect a sensible statement from a Pak minister but kudos :two_thumbs_up: That decision drew rare praise from the Pakistani Taliban, which is usually at war with the government. A spokesman for the militant group said it welcomed the decision but also thought the government should expel all American diplomats. :cantstop: In Kabul, a few hundred people demonstrated area against the film before dispersing peacefully.__ Seriously my impression of Afg is changing slowly or maybe they just don't know what youtube is or have access to the internet...either ways :hatsoff: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 The television ads in Pakistan feature clips of President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton during press appearances in Washington in which they condemned the video. Their words were subtitled in Urdu. Same old Commie Obama, apologizing for America's greatness :beee: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asim Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Asim used to be a man of the world. It seems the wahabbis have got to him finally. Am I about to be labeled as a Terrorist too? :nervous: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Not so easy mate. Just send a couple of beautiful women over and we should be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichromatic Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Am I about to be labeled as a Terrorist too? :nervous: Keeping checking your user title regularly. :giggle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asim Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Keeping checking your user title regularly. :giggle: ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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