Take a bow Ashwin!

[rkt.india]

Jaddu is doing nothing special anyway. He was just darting best part of the first test. Replace him with Irfan Pathan as a seamer.

Jaddu was not doing anything? Ask Australians according to whom he was the toughest bowler to score of and that was the kind of bowling needed on that track.

[Old guy]

Jaddu was not doing anything? Ask Australians according to whom he was the toughest bowler to score of and that was the kind of bowling needed on that track.

honestly did not watch match only few overs how did jaddu bowled? i mean what do u think?

[Lord]

honestly did not watch match only few overs how did jaddu bowled? i mean what do u think?

bowled very well imo they showed a pitch map n he bowled only ONE delivery that batsman let go out of 30 overs.they had to play all others n he still had very good ER. bowled accurate and fast,turning the occasional one.even though hes a SLA,hes different than Ojha,who is slower and gets more turn consistently.so both can play imo

[rkt.india]

honestly did not watch match only few overs how did jaddu bowled? i mean what do u think?

He did bowl well, need to see more of him. How does he bowl in the next match? Because he was bowling mostly same quicker pace. He needs to mix slower flighted deliveries in between to deceive the batsmen like Panser and Ajmal do. That is the only thing I hope he does in the next match, otherwise he was the most accurate bowler. Aussie lefties had real hard time against him.

[Old guy]

bowled very well imo they showed a pitch map n he bowled only ONE delivery that batsman let go out of 30 overs.they had to play all others n he still had very good ER. bowled accurate and fast,turning the occasional one.even though hes a SLA,hes different than Ojha,who is slower and gets more turn consistently.so both can play imo

He did bowl well' date=' need to see more of him. How does he bowl in the next match? Because he was bowling mostly same quicker pace. He needs to mix slower flighted deliveries in between to deceive the batsmen like Panser and Ajmal do. That is the only thing I hope he does in the next match, otherwise he was the most accurate bowler. Aussie lefties had real hard time against him.[/quote'] awesome ..thnx for info i will still like to see some one like rahane in team as we are a batsman short i think jaddu will do all right as 3rd spinner but ojha is so much better

[Vilander]

Average is more important than strike rates. Averages always include the strike rates' date=' strike rates do not include the average. Strike rates do not tell you whether a bowler is economical or not, averages factor in both economy and strike rates.[/quote'] IMO in ODI strike rate = avg in importance in Tests strike rate > average

[Old guy]

IMO in ODI strike rate = avg in importance in Tests strike rate > average

why? so some one is taking 5 wickets for 80 runs but bowling 30 overs how is he worst then some one taking 5 wickets for 100 runs but bowling 25 overs? yeah u get more overs but u also get less runs if average is less also in this case ashwin's average was going up while ojha's was not ..or atleast not at same rate :giggle:

[JaFanatic]

avrg matters more esp. in tests and t20s.....just my opinion

[vvvslaxman]

3 seamers in these conditions?:haha:

Fast bowlers can be handy in these conditions if they know how to reverse. Anyway i didn't say 3 seamers. They could go with a leggie.

[Trichromatic]

avrg matters more esp. in tests and t20s.....just my opinion

You won't find a bowler with very good SR but poor average.

[Old guy]

You won't find a bowler with very good SR but poor average.

umesh yadav :vroam:

[vvvslaxman]

Ashwin oscillates between two ends. He can be magical or quiet mediocre. But a test batting average of 42 always puts him ahead of any other spinner. So it is going to be between Ojha vs other spinners.

[Trichromatic]

umesh yadav :vroam:

Not enough matches.

[jusarrived]

True. But we cannot categorically one is better than other. I would say Ojha will do well against certain teams and Ashwin will do well against certain teams. Both were complementing each other well. Then came Jaddu and Bhajji both upset the balance completely. Just replace Bhajji with Ojha. Jaddu is doing nothing special anyway. He was just darting best part of the first test. Replace him with Irfan Pathan as a seamer.

There are a few reasons why Ojha hasnt been picked . They want to go with 5 bowlers ( 3+2 ) , but not at the risk of weakening the batting . Jadeja is picked a 5th bowler and no7 bat. Ashwin ( offspinner ) + no8 who can bat . the toss up is between Harby and Ojha . Harbajan was picked for 2 reasons . Ozs Cant play offspinners & that Harbajan can bat .

[rkt.india]

You won't find a bowler with very good SR but poor average.

Decent averages but poor SR. http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/26875.html http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/22149.html

[Old guy]

Decent averages but poor SR. http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/26875.html http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/22149.html

he said the same ..u can find player with brilliant strike rate but with bad average it can be other way around..

[vvvslaxman]

he said the same ..u can find player with brilliant strike rate but with bad average it can be other way around..

Brilliant strike rate, Bad average is going to be rare. He has to be enoromously expensive to achieve that. Say if someone has a strike rate of 42 (a wicket every 7 overs) and an average of 45. If he has taken 2 wickets he will have bowled 14 overs and conceded 90 runs. For an average of 40 - 80 runs, for an average of 30 - 60 runs in 14 overs. On the other hand you could find scores of bowlers with decent average but poor strike rate simply because they could bowl more maidens. Also a bowler with good strike rate is invariably good at picking wickets in a clutch meaning he can be a game changer compared to a bowler who is merely having a good average.

[Old guy]

Brilliant strike rate' date=' Bad average is going to be rare. He has to be enoromously expensive to achieve that. Say if someone has a strike rate of 42 (a wicket every 7 overs) and an average of 45. If he has taken 2 wickets he will have bowled 14 overs and conceded 90 runs. For an average of 40 - 80 runs, for an average of 30 - 60 runs in 14 overs. On the other hand you could find scores of bowlers with decent average but poor strike rate simply because they could bowl more maidens. Also a bowler with good strike rate is invariably good at picking wickets in a clutch meaning he can be a game changer compared to a bowler who is merely having a good average.[/quote'] this i agree with but its not like ashwin is having strike rate of 40 :cantstop: ojha's strike rate is ok for spinner and ashwin's is better.. and if im given a choice to pick one i will pick ojha (ignoring the batting of ashwin )

[vvvslaxman]

this i agree with but its not like ashwin is having strike rate of 40 :cantstop: ojha's strike rate is ok for spinner and ashwin's is better.. and if im given a choice to pick one i will pick ojha (ignoring the batting of ashwin )

I have seen mediocre side of Ojha as well. Neither of them are going to be good against all teams. Against certain teams i would back Ojha. Against certain teams i would back Ashwin. There is no clear winner. Also Ashwin has lot more variations. All he needs to do is mix up judiciously. On the other hand Ojha's arm ball needs a lot of work to do. Murali karthik has better arm ball. Ojha's strength is being steady something Ashwin can achieve by shunning his frequent attempt at variations. Ojha has a nice trajectory. But he has to up his speed like Panesar. Batsmen can play him off the backfoot.

[Old guy]

I have seen mediocre side of Ojha as well. Neither of them are going to be good against all teams. Against certain teams i would back Ojha. Against certain teams i would back Ashwin. There is no clear winner. Also Ashwin has lot more variations. All he needs to do is mix up judiciously. On the other hand Ojha's arm ball needs a lot of work to do. Murali karthik has better arm ball. Ojha's strength is being steady something Ashwin can achieve by shunning his frequent attempt at variations. Ojha has a nice trajectory. But he has to up his speed like Panesar. Batsmen can play him off the backfoot.

its makes so much sense to play them together.. just see this comment and see how different they are but they suit each other... drop bhajji ok one question ..who will u play away from home ? ignore the batting..