Old guy Posted December 16, 2013 Posted December 16, 2013 Same category of players' date=' same rules – You cannot categorized as a ‘Great’ unless you can perform in international cricket over an extended period of time. You could miss out on cricket due to variety cricketing and non-cricket reasons – Harris has had injury issue, Bond had a mixture of fitness+ICL issues, Mohammed Aamir was banned for 5 years – but sustained consistency is a pre-requisite for greatness. Short bursts award winning performances inevitably followed by extended periods of injury wont cut it.[/quote'] I agree greatness needs longevity to some extent but Harris is different case who always performed when he played so I rate him very high..truth is I became his bog fan after I saw him bowl against sri Lanka :cantstop: Even bind cannot be called great but they both are awesome regardless and we are lucky to see them perform even though most stats nerds will ignore them :cantstop:
Old guy Posted December 16, 2013 Posted December 16, 2013 But..sorry for double post ishant who played lot but is inconsistent is bad comparison with Harris who played less but is always best bowler from both sides whenever his body permitted him to play ...that's all I am saying :-)
maniac Posted December 16, 2013 Posted December 16, 2013 The reason I said Aamir was because he was only 19(paki years),let us say he was 21 maximum,Was M.O.S before he was banned(totally freaky and stupid),Hailed by everyone as one of the most exciting talents on the horizon,Decent performances to back that statement etc.....Now that is a loss because of its freaky nature....Fannie Devillers is another guy,or all those WI bowlers on the rebel tour to S.A Guys like Bond and Harris were good bowlers whose body broke down often but delivered whenever they could,How is that a loss?
maniac Posted December 16, 2013 Posted December 16, 2013 But..sorry for double post ishant who played lot but is inconsistent is bad comparison with Harris who played less but is always best bowler from both sides whenever his body permitted him to play ...that's all I am saying :-) Ishant won M.OS by being fit and available throughout the series,Who needs titles like best bowler among both sides etc;or win the odd match. For a fast bowler the ultimate benchmark should be based over a series by series performance
Old guy Posted December 16, 2013 Posted December 16, 2013 The reason I said Aamir was because he was only 19(paki years),let us say he was 21 maximum,Was M.O.S before he was banned(totally freaky and stupid),Hailed by everyone as one of the most exciting talents on the horizon,Decent performances to back that statement etc.....Now that is a loss because of its freaky nature....Fannie Devillers is another guy,or all those WI bowlers on the rebel tour to S.A Guys like Bond and Harris were good bowlers whose body broke down often but delivered whenever they could,How is that a loss? Its loss cos they could have been legends of our generation as good as steyn :winky: I don't rate aamir this high to me he was lucky to play non those tracks but yeah he did have potential but we have seen tons of guys starting well and losing plot and fixing is losing plot too Asif looked much more skilled to me loved how he made kp his bunny:cantstop:
Old guy Posted December 16, 2013 Posted December 16, 2013 Ishant won M.OS by being fit and available throughout the series,Who needs titles like best bowler among both sides etc;or win the odd match. For a fast bowler the ultimate benchmark should be based over a series by series performance I don't want to discuss any Ross member with u Honestly I am not in mood bro don't take it wrongly just having bad time :icflove:
MCcricket Posted December 16, 2013 Posted December 16, 2013 Ryano err or RHINO has a good action which is very repeatable and hence the consistency and control and he bowls the exact length and line to ask questions and attacks the stumps with good pace he is brilliant.
Yoda-esque Posted December 16, 2013 Posted December 16, 2013 I don't want to discuss any Ross member with u Honestly I am not in mood bro don't take it wrongly just having bad time :icflove: Riss
rkt.india Posted December 17, 2013 Posted December 17, 2013 Steady there. We seem to be throwing around labels a little too easily these days. A bowler who elicits a feeling of pleasant surprise simply by staying uninjured for successive series should not should not be included in the category of ‘Great’. Greatness is what Steyn does – Season after season, he shows up and delivers for his team. Even Ishant Sharma had a tremendous couple of seasons in international cricket. That does not mean he is labeled a great also. How many test matches Sydney Barnes played? Still makes it world XI. How many test matches Barry Richards played, still makes it to world Xis?
CoverDrive Posted December 17, 2013 Posted December 17, 2013 it was awesome to watch him today bowl accurately again and again in the cracks. very skillful bowler. times like these you feel sorry for bowlers and the physical toll on them
Raghav_12 Posted December 17, 2013 Posted December 17, 2013 Steady there. We seem to be throwing around labels a little too easily these days. A bowler who elicits a feeling of pleasant surprise simply by staying uninjured for successive series should not should not be included in the category of ‘Great’. Greatness is what Steyn does – Season after season, he shows up and delivers for his team. Even Ishant Sharma had a tremendous couple of seasons in international cricket. That does not mean he is labeled a great also. How the hell somebody can talk about Ishant Sharma in same post with Ryan Harris? Ryan Harris is top notch bowler. His perennial injuries caused loss to world cricket otherwise he would have been up there with Steyn in list of bowling greats.
Trichromatic Posted December 17, 2013 Posted December 17, 2013 How the hell somebody can talk about Ishant Sharma in same post with Ryan Harris? Ryan Harris is top notch bowler. His perennial injuries caused loss to world cricket otherwise he would have been up there with Steyn in list of bowling greats. Two bowlers who dismissed Cook most number of times (7) - Harris and Ishant. B->
hhhhdmt Posted December 17, 2013 Posted December 17, 2013 I don't have alot of sympathy for Amir and Asif, yes they were very gifted but they wrecked their own careers. I feel sorry for the likes of Bond and Harris who could have been truly great bowlers but got injured way too frequently.
Ram Posted December 18, 2013 Posted December 18, 2013 How the hell somebody can talk about Ishant Sharma in same post with Ryan Harris? Ryan Harris is top notch bowler. His perennial injuries caused loss to world cricket otherwise he would have been up there with Steyn in list of bowling greats. Please read before expressing outrage.
daryl1985 Posted December 18, 2013 Posted December 18, 2013 That ball That ball was unplayable. Did it actually hit a crack there or did he just bowl an inswinger that moved in the other direction off the seam?
Trichromatic Posted December 18, 2013 Posted December 18, 2013 That ball was unplayable. Did it actually hit a crack there or did he just bowl an inswinger that moved in the other direction off the seam? Didn't look like hitting any crack while watching it live.
Old guy Posted December 18, 2013 Posted December 18, 2013 Beauty of this ball is perfect length he it which hit the top of off stump and did not let cook come forward
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