Raghav_12 Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 so why could Kejriwal not wait for a few days days to at least send the Bill to Prez and Home Ministry to see their reaction and to see the changes' date=' if any, they suggested. Even he said that BJP/Cong were going on and on about "technicalities" - and I agree they were mere technicalities but if they Bill was at the core of what the Aam Aadmi Party promised then why could AAP not accept those simple technicalities and move on - why did they have to simply quit? Why didn't he put BJP and Cong under the spotlight by accepting their "technicalities" and then moving the Bill after following all the rules. If BJP and Cong still didn't accept the Bill after they "technicalities" had been met then they would have come in for severe public pressure and it would have become a big issue in the Lok Sabha elections. But Kejriwal, by quitting, gave the BJP and Cong a chance to stay clear of this Bill without taking the blame because, irrespective of what Kejriwal says, people blame him for quitting without even checking out the BJP and Cong's reaction to the Bill.[/quote'] Fair Points. Probably he could have or should have put in more efforts to get Jan Lokpal Bill and probably he made an error of judgment in terms of timing. But let me assure you that his eventual resignation was an inevitability. Their is no way BJP and Congress would have allowed him to change the system so radically. You understand basic dynamics with which a system works and system particpants behave. Congress, BJP and all other parties have got a system established which condones lot of mal-practices involving corruption, nepotism etc. All sub-systems and processes are prepared to support and strengthen that system which is of course a sub-optimal system. Now, it would be huge challenge for anybody to challenge this existing system using the processes and eco-system which exist very much only to support and strengthen existing system. So if you want to challenge existing system, you can not totally dependent on existing systematic processes. There would always be some efforts which would come across as unjust as there don't fall in purview of existing system. In Kejriwal's case he could have made some more effort to get that bill passed, but looking at the commitment and conviction that BJP and Congress has shown in their attempts to eradicate corruption, it was just matter of time before they had pulled the rug beneath Kejriwal's feet. It was becoming more and more evident, if Kejriwal has to make some change, they have to have full majority.
Sachin=GOD Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 Fair Points. Probably he could have or should have put in more efforts to get Jan Lokpal Bill and probably he made an error of judgment in terms of timing. But let me assure you that his eventual resignation was an inevitability. Their is no way BJP and Congress would have allowed him to change the system so radically. You understand basic dynamics with which a system works and system particpants behave. Congress, BJP and all other parties have got a system established which condones lot of mal-practices involving corruption, nepotism etc. All sub-systems and processes are prepared to support and strengthen that system which is of course a sub-optimal system. Now, it would be huge challenge for anybody to challenge this existing system using the processes and eco-system which exist very much only to support and strengthen existing system. So if you want to challenge existing system, you can not totally dependent on existing systematic processes. There would always be some efforts which would come across as unjust as there don't fall in purview of existing system. In Kejriwal's case he could have made some more effort to get that bill passed, but looking at the commitment and conviction that BJP and Congress has shown in their attempts to eradicate corruption, it was just matter of time before they had pulled the rug beneath Kejriwal's feet. It was becoming more and more evident, if Kejriwal has to make some change, they have to have full majority. Agreed. There a corrupt, inefficient system in place which is allowing the National Parties to get away with not just corruption but more importantly, with bad governance so there would obviously be resistance to change - and that is where Kejriwal, with 0 political experience, failed in dealing with BJP/Cong. Where Kejriwal went wrong was in thinking that he can change the entire system in 2 months - you just cannot change such a deeply entrenched system that has become a part of Governance in a country like India in a few months. If Kejriwal was not looking for short term success in the form of Lok Sabha elections then he would probably have gone a little bit slower in making such sweeping changes - and I am pretty sure that if he had gone a bit slower and in a more methodical manner by taking into confidence more people than just those who supported him, he would have gotten a lot of things done. Yeah. But Kejriwal, by making the mistake to quit, simply gave them an excuse to get away. He took a gamble that by becoming a martyr he would get sympathy in Lok Sabha elections - at that point he did come across as a martyr to a lot of common people but as time has passed and a lot of analysis of that decision has been done, people have realized that he actually quit not because the Bill wasn't passed but because he wanted to gain sympathy for upcoming elections and that has backfired. Kejriwal, while trying to teach BJP/Cong a lesson in how to reach out to the public, himself failed to read the public's mind in that situation and will pay a very heavy price IMO. Let alone forming a Govt on his own in Delhi, I don't think he will even get near 28 (what he got last time) this time when elections happen and BJP will probably gain the most.
someone Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 On a sidenote,Why Deepika Padukone, Katrina Kaif, Imran Khan cannot vote Add Alia Bhatt, Evelyn Sharma. Interesting to see such names and yet no official Indian links.
Lord Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 On a sidenote' date='Why Deepika Padukone, Katrina Kaif, Imran Khan cannot vote Add Alia Bhatt, Evelyn Sharma. Interesting to see such names and yet no official Indian links. no mention of Deepika there:hmmm:
hhunaeh Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 why is sunny leone not on this list? sunny, sunny :protest:
diga Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 Mizoram sees 50 percent voter turnout by 2 pm for the lone Loksabha seat
Sachin=GOD Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 Examples of Modi "wave" https://twitter.com/hiambuj/status/454173206400598016 https://www.facebook.com/akshay.saxena/posts/10154004918550483?stream_ref=5 this is how The Great Leader will win the election :adore:
vvvslaxman Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 Examples of Modi "wave" https://twitter.com/hiambuj/status/454173206400598016 https://www.facebook.com/akshay.saxena/posts/10154004918550483?stream_ref=5 this is how The Great Leader will win the election :adore: How credible are these claims?
randomGuy Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 Check #OperationLokSabha on twitter for sting released today.
randomGuy Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 Kumar Vishwar interview in Amethi - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=495083140591451
seedhi Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 I think they'd be surprised with the result.What are your estimates then ?
dial_100 Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 Examples of Modi "wave" https://twitter.com/hiambuj/status/454173206400598016 https://www.facebook.com/akshay.saxena/posts/10154004918550483?stream_ref=5 this is how The Great Leader will win the election :adore: How credible are these claims? There is a controller unit which is outside of polling cabin. If controller was confident that he didnt allow the casting of multiple votes then he might have ignored the complaint but what one need to prove this type of tampering is to capture the video of the poll controller's machine to see if he allows multiple votes. Without controller allowing it, machine will not allow more that 1 vote. We all know how congress got 206 in 2009. This problem has been fixe. Please dont jump the guns based on stupid FB and Tweetty crap.
cowboysfan Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 I think they'd be surprised with the result. I was thinking the same,I would be shocked if they get more than 200.
Number Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 Somebody contested with the name Ashutosh in Chandani Chowk with symbol as Carrot (looks very similar to AAP's broom). Ashutosh got trolled really bad. Was crying on twitter. :cantstop:
G_B_ Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 hmm that 237 figure does seem way over the top BJP should be in the 190-210 zone IMO. I wont be surprised if the BJP do get 200 plus. However 220 plus will be surprised.Whats surprising is that many bookies are predicting bjp 220 plus. That does seem really odd to me
G_B_ Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 Somebody contested with the name Ashutosh in Chandani Chowk with symbol as Carrot (looks very similar to AAP's broom). Ashutosh got trolled really bad. Was crying on twitter. :cantstop: yeah i saw that. threw up laughing hahahahahaha if that is the cause of his defeat then we really do have a dumb electorate
Desi Cartman Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 Somebody contested with the name Ashutosh in Chandani Chowk with symbol as Carrot (looks very similar to AAP's broom). Ashutosh got trolled really bad. Was crying on twitter. :cantstop: :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:
veer Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 hmm that 237 figure does seem way over the top BJP should be in the 190-210 zone IMO. I wont be surprised if the BJP do get 200 plus. However 220 plus will be surprised.Whats surprising is that many bookies are predicting bjp 220 plus. That does seem really odd to me Most bookies are gujju and they live in their world .. dont be surprise of this Hype... I am more worried about what happens after Modi becomes PM, specially what he does in foreign affairs. If he becomes PM, there will be outside forces to trigger another Mumbai type attacks just to create huge tension between two countries. What will he do in those situation is key.. and then the US affairs where he is not very popular.
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