King Tendulkar Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Totally different rules back then now u need proper 5 bowlers I know bit different but we still seemed to have more control I no way saying have 4 bowlers only Link to comment
diga Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 from the poll results.. - usual suspects supporting Dhoni sticking to the same team :giggle: Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Hen has dhoni whined about pitches Away from home ? I have never seen him complain about green track infact he only demands tracks which get results at home He has not complained about tracks but he has whined how these tracks are alien to his players and how they don't play bouncers well. If he good enough player he should play everywhere and STFU so should his team, they cant be giving these nonsensical excuses when playing against a side like NZ. And he has thrown fits when he did not raging turners when playing at home and whined about it is that not enough whining. They should be ashamed of their performances so far. Link to comment
SLICKR392 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 He has not complained about tracks but he has whined how these tracks are alien to his players and how they don't play bouncers well. If he good enough player he should play everywhere and STFU so should his team, they cant be giving these nonsensical excuses when playing against a side like NZ. And he has thrown fits when he did not raging turners when playing at home and whined about it is that not enough whining. They should be ashamed of their performances so far. Every team does that. Clarke did in India and so did Cook. Even Strauss was whining about it after their loss to SL in the 1st Test back in 2012. It only becomes an issue when our players and team talk about it. Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Every team does that. Clarke did in India and so did Cook. Even Strauss was whining about it after their loss to SL in the 1st Test back in 2012. It only becomes an issue when our players and team talk about it. Just because someone whined you don't have do the same thing.Indian team being no1 side when series started playing against no 8 side should not even talk of this nonsense. I could understand these talks when playing against bowlers like Steyn and co but common playing against trundlers like southie and Anderson if you are talking about bounce and alien conditions then you as captain of no1 side should be ashamed. You may lose to any team it is a sport it happens, but not this whining against an inferior side. Link to comment
MCcricket Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Mr Sandeep Patil............. It is high time the Indian selectors and team management thing ahead and chart a map how we can be a powerful force away and at home, the muddled approach and selections backed by poor thinking from captain and Fletcher is hurting the team performances. India is a huge country and we have 20 plus teams to choose players from so a huge pool, the cricket calendar has gotten more and more busier each year also player fitness and choosing right players for the right format along with team selections is the biggest issue here. We need to have three teams for three formats and there is no way around it, also we need the right personnel to captain each side, also players chosen for the right format per records and game. Let us have a new captain in T20 AND INTRODUCE YOUNG PLAYERS WHO MIGHT NOT BE THAT EXPERIENCED BUT HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO SUCCEED AT THIS LEVEL, lets select players like Shukla, Suyal, who are fast bowlers with pace and have potential to represent India in other formats and a good testing ground in T20 as they have decent stats and are experienced at the T20 format owing to IPL. THE SQUAD COULD BE picked up from this pool based on form Rohit capt Virat vc Dhawan Jadhav Samson Rahane Dhoni as t20 WC is not too far away Unmukt Yuvi as he is very good at this format and can bowl also Pandey Aggarwal Suyal Shukla Shami BK R Dhawan R Sharma S Nadeem Rasool India needs to get the right players in ODI as they are backing the wrong players especially for this format Dhoni Capt looking at the WC Virat VC Dhawan Rohit Pujara is a must in ODI Rahane am not convinced of his ODI GAME ALSO HIS DOMESTIC ODI RECORD IS POOR Jadhav has a fantastic odi record and seem versatile Gambhir Rayudu Ashwin Jadeja Chawla Rasool I Pathan when fit R Dhawan Shami Aaron BK Suyal being a fast bowler and a left armer to boot and having one of the best records in domestic cricket to boot For test cricket we need to find good bowlers who are relatively experienced and have the pace and maturity to bowl and be effective in the longer format and our batting seems good Virat Capt Dhawan Rohit Vijay Gambhir Sehwag if in form he is a match winner Pujara Rahane Rayudu Jadhav if he seems capable in the shorter format as a team needs to constantly evolve and look for talent which Dhoni doesn't understand Dhoni Samson Ashwin Jadeja Rasool Pathan as he is a all rounder and way better then the jokers like VK, Mithun, Unadkunt, Zak in present form Umesh BK Pankaj I Pandey Aaron based on fitness Shami We have to select horses for courses and different players captains for every format, players will be fresh, we will have a larger pool also different ideas, and if each format has a pool of players then selectors can select accordingly and prioritize the right players when playing away from home. What is keeping us from being a world class unit at home and away , in test's inability of bowlers to take 20 wickets and the culprit here is the selectors, captain for selecting Ishant, Zak who is way past, and spinners on a track favoring seamers, we need to pick up bowlers who atleast have the minimum pace required to be effective in tests that is 135 k and above, a rookie fast bowler is better then a experienced trundle look at examples, Milne, Shami and you will see in test one should have raw pace or sufficient pace with skills, Aaron, Umesh, Pandey, Suyal, Pankaj, Shami have to come in . In ODI the same thing bowlers being in effective and giving away a lot of runs, main culprit here is Ishant again and he keeps on getting selected thnx to Dhoni and more to Mr Patil and co, one needs bowlers who have a plan and can execute it also ability to bowl good Yorkers and short ones along with capability to bowl at any time during the innings with success, BK has a problem there but it is more to do with Dhoni's mind set, Aaron has the ability to be a good ODI bowler, Shami has skills with pace, Suyal could be a good addition as he has pace and a very good domestic record and can bowl good Yorkers and bouncers along with the troubling length for the left armer, R Dhawan deserves a look in owing to his performances and when fit Irfan should walk in in the odi and test side owing to his versatility. Link to comment
ThePhenomenal1 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 I agree, bowlers are holding us back. I like the new crop and hope they succeed in every way. And yeah, why not groom new players for t20 squad? We don't take Int T20s seriously anyway since we played zero in 2013 Link to comment
MCcricket Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 I agree' date=' bowlers are holding us back. I like the new crop and hope they succeed in every way. And yeah, why not groom new players for t20 squad? We don't take Int T20s seriously anyway since we played zero in 2013[/quote'] That is the frustrating side we are having problems away from home not because of talent or skills but thought process, selections and captaincy, bowling in ODI AND TEST IS WEAK and we have options but not looking at them also T20 BEING IGNORED AND THIS COULD BE A GOOD AVENUE TO LOOK AT THE YOUNGER LOT. Link to comment
sandeep Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 kohli should not have opened . Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I dont mind Kohli opening if we wanted to see how goood is Binny . Need to try out and see if he is a genuine seam all rounder. But we should have dropped not Dhawan.Rohit's negative approach suck out every other batsmen Link to comment
Silva Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Dhawan- rahane are probably the best combo. Rahane to rotate the strike, dhawan to play his shots. Not sure what rohit has been since the series in South africa. Link to comment
kaptaan Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 should have dropped nohit and opened with rahane and dhawan Link to comment
GolGappe Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 It was stupid to drop Dhawan and stupider to open with Kohli. Rahane could have opened but he has totally sucked on Monkeys nuts in this series. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 WHat a dumb move.. probably the worst iby management in a while. His position should have remained untouched. Link to comment
Talwar Raja Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 From what you have seen from Rayudu today, would you support dropping Raina? Discuss please. My first thread. :--D Link to comment
gaurav92 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 With an early wicket fall, he virtually opens every game overseas :cantstop: So, nothing new, he can open, its just that he failed this time :( Link to comment
jf1gp_1 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 both will prove to be useless outside subcontinent Link to comment
GolGappe Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Indian team can't afford to have Rohit, Rayudu, and Rahane in the playing XI because of their poor strike-rates. All 3 are slow-starters and if India is chasing a stiff target, slow starters will put enormous pressure on the likes of Kohlis and Dhawans Link to comment
SLICKR392 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Rayudu replaces Raina and that one slot could filled by Ashwin for the time being. Link to comment
SLICKR392 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 both will prove to be useless outside subcontinent How could say that about Rayudu? Let him play few games before drawing a conclusion. Link to comment
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