Lord Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 Averaging close to 30' date=' SR 60 is not did well in those conditions when ball was swinging so much. He was just average, what we call andho me kana raja which is not good enough to compete.[/quote'] So what do you expect a bowler to average when there is ZERO support from the other end and infact they are undoing your work?Average of 15 and SR of 25?Bowling is about partnerships
Lord Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 picked 4 wickets at 59. Is this decent? see the ER too.under 5.5 on pattas.Shami took wickets but was expensive.Maybe Bhuvi's role was to contain and Shami to go for wickets.We can't judge him from ODIs on pattas for Test matches in England
Lord Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 Ball does not swing all the time even in England and if ball does not swing' date=' those pitches can be rally punishing.[/quote'] most of the time it does.Specially when its overcast.Anyway we have other bowlers to take over when its dry or stops swinging
undisputed chap Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 Media silence on this issue is deafening. I sincerely hope gavaskar can now question why ishant keeps getting selected even though he is the worst bowler in history of cricket & is incapable of any improvement. How zak gets selected even though he is way past his peak or how dhoni is the captain when he isn't good enough to be in 11.
rkt.india Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 see the ER too.under 5.5 on pattas.Shami took wickets but was expensive.Maybe Bhuvi's role was to contain and Shami to go for wickets.We can't judge him from ODIs on pattas for Test matches in England Picking wickets is the key for me. Nothing alone wins you match. A good ER plus good average and good SR.
CG Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 he bowls with the new ball and with 2 new balls ur job is to pick wickets.
Lord Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 Picking wickets is the key for me. Nothing alone wins you match. A good ER plus good average and good SR. then would you fault Shami too for bad ER?People have roles.both did okay imo.
rkt.india Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 then would you fault Shami too for bad ER?People have roles.both did okay imo. 5.5 is not a great ER anyway with averaging 60. It is not like his ER was 4 or 4.5. ER 5.5 with no wickets. It means he was conceding 55 runs with 1 wicket per 59 balls. Shami picked wickets. Picking wickets is the most important thing. Why was Bhajji dropped because he was not picking enough wickets. His ER was still very much acceptable. ER alone will not keep you in the team. ER is useless if you cannot pick wickets.
CG Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 5.5 is not a great ER anyway with averaging 60. It is not like his ER was 4 or 4.5. ER 5.5 with no wickets. It means he was conceding 55 runs with 1 wicket per 59 balls. Shami picked wickets. Picking wickets is the most important thing. Why was Bhajji dropped because he was not picking enough wickets. His ER was still very much acceptable. ER alone will not keep you in the team. ER is useless if you cannot pick wickets. True,he bowls with the new ball and its his job to pick wickets.
Mariyam Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 He was a Home track bully like Dhoni and a good finisher like him as well,Encouraged spin bowlers like Kachra but as a test cricketer I rate Bhuvan was leagues ahead. Also he won the home series against England :giggle: Not to mention Bhuvan's victory jig was a lot better than the stupid stare + shoulder shrug that Dhoni did after hitting the WC winning six.
Hell Raiser Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 Bhuvneshwar kumar has to be the most overrated bowler here on ICF. After the series in W.indies, that's his ODI record Matches - 18 Wickets - 12 Avg - 69.33 S.Rate- 76.6 Econ - 5.42 And not to mention his test record 9 wickets in 11 innings with an average of 38 and strike rate of 69.3. Can't believe he was playing test matches ahead of Yadav against W.I
CG Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 Bhuvneshwar kumar has to be the most overrated bowler here on ICF. After the series in W.indies, that's his ODI record Matches - 18 Wickets - 12 Avg - 69.33 S.Rate- 76.6 Econ - 5.42 And not to mention his test record 9 wickets in 11 innings with an average of 38 and strike rate of 69.3. Can't believe he was playing test matches ahead of Yadav against W.I Odi perfromances are generally given more limelight in india.he burst on to the scene like mna y others with good performances against pak,eng in india.He is a limited bowler and it was expected he would go downhill which he did.He can be a good odi bolwer and he has improved some of his skills like death bowling but lost on new ball.
SLICKR392 Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 True' date='he bowls with the new ball and its his job to pick wickets.[/quote'] And that's where he was good at and there's where he is declining now. Again, I would want to see him play a Test or 2 overseas before judging him.
CG Posted April 14, 2014 Posted April 14, 2014 And that's where he was good at and there's where he is declining now. Again' date=' I would want to see him play a Test or 2 overseas before judging him.[/quote'] On current form i do nto think he deserves a chance in tests.We should not be selecting bowlers on hope,we had to pay a heavy price in past for that.
beetle Posted April 14, 2014 Author Posted April 14, 2014 Kaunsa Bhuvi? Lagaan wala? :hmmm: Haan...:agree:
adi B Posted April 14, 2014 Posted April 14, 2014 Bhuvan has to be our 3rd seamer..... Would go in with Bhuvi,Ishant/Shami and Yadav with Ashwin being the allrounder........Has better technique than Jadeja for sure. Can't beleive people want to drop Ishant.....check who is the highest wicket taker in Newzealand and check his last 4 test performance....give the guy a break. Yes he has had mediocre time in ODI's but has improved his test bowling what about last 4 years :hysterical::hysterical:
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