Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[express bowling]

One thing can be easily said.

 

That Umran is the first Indian pacer who can bowl 150k+ balls in almost every match he plays and 145 k+ seems to be his base speed in white ball cricket. 

[Suhaan]

6 minutes ago, express bowling said:

One thing can be easily said.

 

That Umran is the first Indian pacer who can bowl 150k+ balls in almost every match he plays and 145 k+ seems to be his base speed in white ball cricket. 

He has a very quick arm action,all thanks to his natural ability(fast twitch muscle fibres)

 

 

 

 

[Need4Speed]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

Bumrah is around 5'11" with extra long arms and a high release point. He always hits the bat in the splice area for this reason. Doesn't give the effect of a shorter pacer.

 

But I would definitely keep Tyagi, Prasidh and Sen in the mix. 

 

Tyagi can be really good in T20Is among this lot. 

thats why if Mohsin can bat..with Pandya + one spin AR..we can accomodate 3 more pacers..Tyagi Umran Bumrah

[rollingstoned]

14 minutes ago, express bowling said:

One thing can be easily said.

 

That Umran is the first Indian pacer who can bowl 150k+ balls in almost every match he plays and 145 k+ seems to be his base speed in white ball cricket. 

If he keeps Wood and Nortje company speed wise for a long enough period of time that will be just dandy. 

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, rollingstoned said:

If he keeps Wood and Nortje company speed wise for a long enough period of time that will be just dandy. 

he is younger than both; wood in particular will be gone soon.

[vishalvirsingh]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

UMRAN 155 kph

 

Dismisses Shanaka, the danger man.

this was the turning point of the match and no one- not evven one commentator has talked about this.

 

i cant understand why are they not speaking about this???

[vishalvirsingh]

though shivam mavi got 4 wickets , i was not too impresed with him.

 

Views please.......

[vishalvirsingh]

yuzi was beaten black and blue and harshal is a waste of time...i dont know why He is getting picked.

[express bowling]

5 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

though shivam mavi got 4 wickets , i was not too impresed with him.

 

Views please.......

 

 

Very disappointed with Mavi.

 

Just gently putting the ball there at low pace, without any zip and bounce. 

[express bowling]

6 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

yuzi was beaten black and blue and harshal is a waste of time...i dont know why He is getting picked.

 

Don't know why they are still persisting with Harshal and Chahal. 

[Lone Wolf]

18 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Very disappointed with Mavi.

 

Just gently putting the ball there at low pace, without any zip and bounce. 

I am hopeful...  Don't think he is a 145 bowler anymore but he can be a 140kph at least.  It was his debut & he did well in a low scoring game. 

At least we didn't select a 29-30 year old washed up off cutter pacer.  Or heck I'll watch Mavi all day over Boobie bhaiya. 

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, vishalvirsingh said:

though shivam mavi got 4 wickets , i was not too impresed with him.

 

Views please.......

 

Second you on this, a bowler who was clocking 140+ in age group is down to mid 130s is saddening to see.

 

I just hope he was down on pace because of debut match jitters, else he is not a longterm investments another Thakur, Mukesh kind of a bowler in the mix.

 

Though I never thought him as 145ish bowler, he is somewhere in 142 range, but today he was too slow, when IPL teams are trying to find a V.high pacer from open trails, its hard to digest that a bowler coming from BCCI system with all the facilities and motivation in his early 20s bowling sub 135 that too when they just need to bowl 4 overs.

 

His balls didn't even get the kind of seem Pandya was getting even at those low speeds.  Not sure if at his height he will be able to get any bounce and if you minus the pace that's just club level/weekend cricket level bowling 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 3, 2023 by tapandrun

[express bowling]

23 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

I am hopeful...  Don't think he is a 145 bowler anymore but he can be a 140kph at least.  It was his debut & he did well in a low scoring game. 

At least we didn't select a 29-30 year old washed up off cutter pacer.  Or heck I'll watch Mavi all day over Boobie bhaiya. 

 

It's not just the low pace but not even a single delivery of his hurried the batter.  Means no zip or bounce either.

 

Not a good thing. 

[Need4Speed]

1 hour ago, vishalvirsingh said:

though shivam mavi got 4 wickets , i was not too impresed with him.

 

Views please.......

I wasnt impressed as well..I didnt see initial few balls from him..but whatever I saw..he is following Bhuvi factory..too many out there like him..Arshdeep is already doing good at that pace..England and co will eat you easily..

I am looking for pacers who can do well against Eng-Aus etc..not just feel happy about beating SL..

 

for ex: Umran was troubling them when he tried bouncing them..even after getting hit for six he bowled a venomous yorker to Shanaka..and got him  to mistime on 155 kph..

the rush of facing 150kph does that to you..

[Need4Speed]

57 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

I am hopeful...  Don't think he is a 145 bowler anymore but he can be a 140kph at least.  It was his debut & he did well in a low scoring game. 

At least we didn't select a 29-30 year old washed up off cutter pacer.  Or heck I'll watch Mavi all day over Boobie bhaiya. 

but whats worrying me..is that he may be following words of wisdom from Bhuvi Bhaiyya and co..so he will become 135k bowler..

if it was first match nerves and in 2nd match he bowls 140k..then I am hopeful..

Edited January 3, 2023 by Need4Speed

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Very disappointed with Mavi.

 

Just gently putting the ball there at low pace, without any zip and bounce. 

Such a far cry from his promising output during the u19 WC.  Yes he's had to come back from serious injuries since then, but yes today was quite disappointing.

 

I had hopes of Umesh Yadav mark 2.0 for him, a more hostile, disciplined version who would benefit from being around an improved pace bowling culture and resource exposure from a younger age; on the shorter side, but proper rapid pace, skiddy due to his height etc.  He looks like yet another journeyman medium pacer today.  Its unfortunate.  

[express bowling]

On a pitch that was gripping ..

 

ER of Spinners and Slower Ball Specialist ... 

 

Chahal.          13.0

Axar.               10.3

Harshal.         10.2

Theekshana.   7.2

Hasaranga.     5.5

 

The spinners etc. we are picking are not up to the mark, especially Chahal and Harshal.

 

 

[sandeep]

2 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Ishant lost the steam too early in his career, he had all the check-boxes ticked and then he lost the pace.

 

Srinath was v.sharp plus tall, he was a better  and quicker version of Dushmantha Chameera (SL- RAF), had v.good zip, his balls does not seems to lose much pace after pitching in his hay days, but then he had shoulder injury due to excessive bowling and no real fast bowling help from the other-end, he had to lose the pace for longer spells and prolong his career.

 

In my opinion Aron and Umesh were the quickest of all both were genuine 145+ bowlers and  with some support they could have been 150 ish bowlers. I guess Aron was a tad faster than Umesh. But he had array of injuries during his career and v.less support from BCCI 

 

Credit to Umesh to keep his fitness top-notch and not giving up-on pace. He still clocks high 140s.

 

 

If Ishant had gotten the guidance he received from Jason Gillespie in county cricket 5 years earlier than he did, his career would be markedly different.  Indian cricket culture did not know what to do with a pace bowler toolkit that young Ishant possessed.  Same problem that Srinath suffered from.  By the time these blokes got their tactics and muscle memory of bowling and adjusting lengths, bowling intelligence in terms of how to bowl to a plan, set up batsmen in different conditions and formats, they already had too many bowling 'miles' on their bodies, and were past their physical primes.  

 

Umesh has been that rarity not just in Indian cricket, but in Cricket overall - a genuine top level pace bowler who hardly ever got injured.  Freakishly athletic.  Only 'flaw' was his lack of height, but even that can be adapted with skiddiness.  But he bowled a lot of jaffas here and there, but couldn't put together the  combination of discipline, bowling intelligence etc, that the once in a generation self-taught talent that is Jasprit Boomrah, for example.  

 

Its taken 10 years after IPL for the Indian team to actually put together a top shelf test calibre 3 man or 4 man pace bowling attack - for decades of my cricket watching life, we always had weak links at the 3rd or often even the 2nd slot.  Now Indian cricket culture is finally learning how to invest, develop, groom young raw pace bowling ability into finished products.  Hopefully the likes of Umran, and the next ones after him, get to develop into effective 'finished products' while they still are in their physical pace bowling prime....

[tapandrun]

26 minutes ago, express bowling said:

On a pitch that was gripping ..

 

ER of Spinners and Slower Ball Specialist ... 

 

Chahal.          13.0

Axar.               10.3

Harshal.         10.2

Theekshana.   7.2

Hasaranga.     5.5

 

The spinners etc. we are picking are not up to the mark, especially Chahal and Harshal.

 

 

 

The problem is not just ERs but they do not look threatening at all-Kind of toothless, all they rely on batters making some mistakes. 

Batters are nt scared on them or they donot have any variation that troubles the batters.

 

No.7/8 batter hitting them for 6s and plus not having a comeback ball after getting hit is a major concern, every-1 will get hit for a 6/4 but they should have comeback ball.

What we saw today with Umran after getting hit for a 6, he came back with a superb yorker and then 155 kmph ball.

 

Currently no Ind bowler has a comeback ball, so its easy to score easy 13-15 run in an over and if needed 19-20 run in a over is also possible against Ind bowlers.   

Edited January 3, 2023 by tapandrun

[speedracer]

Harsha

Deep das gupta 

Just want to mention these guys. Not saying anything. They are who they are. 

Sad bunch. Sadists. They don't deserve to even be called out. I just couldn't resist these 2 clowns on commentary. It is abominable. High time both get sacked. I just don't want to hear it anymore. Just one question though? If say a foreign white player bowls 150 plus like nortje or wood, do the 2 buffoons go giddy and worship them?