Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Mesky99]

15 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Yeah our bowlers have very light frames unlike a Wahab for instance.  But are you saying that Kartik can't maintain 140-145 kph pace? I don't think that's accurate at all. There have been bowlers with similar body frames who have bowled that quick.   Maybe not 150 +

Light frame? Umesh, Aaron were built and strong, guys like Mithun, nathu Singh, Pankaj Singh, Aniket choudhary all strongly built guys, Pak bowlers bar Shaheen are all short and small, Kuldeep sen, yudhvir, Rana, hangarekekar are strong and tall, Siraj is wiry, prasidh needs to get stronger.

[rkt.india]

17 hours ago, Axl100mph said:

Umran is a great fast twitch athlete but as I explained, he has already utilized most of the attractors of producing pace.

Rauf on the other hand bowls at that speed without adequate runup momentum.

 

For any fast bowling nerds out here, just take a look at his impulse stride for example; it is poor with very little momentum sequencing from the runup into backfoot contact, because of such short imbslanced strides with occassional deceleration, yet he bowls 150 plus, all through shoulder speed and power.

 

The fact that he has so quickly evolved into becoming one of our best fielders in the team after not even knowing what to do in the field 4 years ago, given his tape ball exclusive background shows the kind of athlete he is. 

 

And yes, I really like Tyagi but like many other recent Indian pacers, structure wise I feel he is built too lightly to sustain his speeds for long. Good talent though. Hope he proves me wrong. 

 

 

Rauf is 30. Umran is 23, not even reached his peak pace age. 

[the don]

44 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Rauf is 30. Umran is 23, not even reached his peak pace age. 

Rauf has very little hard ball mileage. He has played 0 age group cricket. He can maintain that peak for a long time, Umran is on a slide in terms of pace. He has been bowling very average speeds for a while. In IPL and westindies.

[Mesky99]

2 hours ago, the don said:

Rauf has very little hard ball mileage. He has played 0 age group cricket. He can maintain that peak for a long time, Umran is on a slide in terms of pace. He has been bowling very average speeds for a while. In IPL and westindies.

We have quite a few solid young pacers, this is your best odi attack in years even while being mismanaged India's odi attack is still superior with Siraj, bumrah, prasidh and shami, now add Kuldeep, that's solid, sen, Rana, umran, tyagi, arshdeep as backups, don't have the same branch strength 

[Need4Speed]

9 hours ago, Suhaan said:

And we'll retweet the same

Lets also post that list of 35 bowlers that was made my someone in forum in the past..tag bcci Agarkar etc…and all of us retweet the same too…

but a more focussed list will be much better..

[Need4Speed]

2 hours ago, the don said:

Rauf has very little hard ball mileage. He has played 0 age group cricket. He can maintain that peak for a long time, Umran is on a slide in terms of pace. He has been bowling very average speeds for a while. In IPL and westindies.

Possibly our Indian line and length experts are whispering something to his ears..after every match..

haf Rauf been born here..he would be bowling 135ks

Edited August 23, 2023 by Need4Speed

[singhvivek141]

3 hours ago, the don said:

Rauf has very little hard ball mileage. He has played 0 age group cricket. He can maintain that peak for a long time, Umran is on a slide in terms of pace. He has been bowling very average speeds for a while. In IPL and westindies.

That's a temporary blip, he will come back with a force. Shami, Siraj, Umesh, Ishant all went through that blip and came back.

Age wise Rauf will be 34 by next WC, Umran will be 27.

 

Our white ball team will revamp after this WC. Umran will be the next gen pacer as Shami will be excused from white ball formats, even Bumrah will play ODI very sporadically.

Edited August 23, 2023 by singhvivek141

[the don]

40 minutes ago, Mesky99 said:

We have quite a few solid young pacers, this is your best odi attack in years even while being mismanaged India's odi attack is still superior with Siraj, bumrah, prasidh and shami, now add Kuldeep, that's solid, sen, Rana, umran, tyagi, arshdeep as backups, don't have the same branch strength 

Jee bhai aapka attack superior hai. Aap khush rahain.

khoobsurat backup. Tyagi is not good enough for domestic teams and you ve listed him as a  back up bana dia hai. He is no where near selection or scheme of things. Arshdeep is a declining trundler. I saw Rana at the emerging cup. Sure you have your opinion.

[the don]

2 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

That's a temporary blip, he will come back with a force. Shami, Siraj, Umesh, Ishant all went through that blip and came back.

Age wise Rauf will be 34 by next WC, Umran will be 27.

 

Our white ball team will revamp after this WC. Umran will be the next gen pacer as Shami will be excused from white ball formats, even Bumrah will play ODI very sporadically.

Ihsanullah will take over from Rauf as the 150 kph enforcer. Umran atm needs to find his identity. Stick to bowling fast and gradually add skills. 140 kph at his skiddy straight trajectory wont get him selected.

[singhvivek141]

8 minutes ago, the don said:

Ihsanullah will take over from Rauf as the 150 kph enforcer. Umran atm needs to find his identity. Stick to bowling fast and gradually add skills. 140 kph at his skiddy straight trajectory wont get him selected.

Umran actually lost track because he was being used as a bounce bowler..which he isn't.

Umran's USP is bowling fast deliveries on to the wickets ..some full and some yorkerish. That's how he blow away likes of Miller in IPL.

 

Bowling hit the deck is natural to Prasidh, Harshit, Hangargekar who are tall lads..Yudhvir is another one who is built like a tank and can bowl hit the deck deliveries day and night, so does Gurnoor.

 

Prasidh and Umran can be a lethal combo, one gets awkward bounce and hit on ribcage, Umran can be skiddy like Shami. I really hope we get Bharat Arun back.

Edited August 23, 2023 by singhvivek141

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

Umran actually lost track because he was being used as a bounce bowler..which he isn't.

Umran's USP is bowling fast deliveries on to the wickets ..some full and some yorkerish. That's how he blow away likes of Miller in IPL.

 

Bowling hit the deck is natural to Prasidh, Harshit, Hangargekar who are tall lads..Yudhvir is another one who is built like a tank and can bowl hit the deck deliveries day and night, so does Gurnoor.

 

 

And this is why I have lost hope regarding this TM.

 

Their reading of the game has been totally off right from.the start of their tenure. 

 

Samson is being used as a lower order hitter. Now when has he done well in this role ?

 

Dravid once said that Arshdeep is doing well in ODIs. Now when has that happened ?

 

They don't know how to utilize the players they have. 

 

Prasidh, Harshit, Tyagi, Sen, Mayank, Mohsin and Hangargekar are the tall, hit the deck quicks. And they have utilized short and skiddy Umran as a bounce bowler. Amazing !!

 

Edited August 23, 2023 by express bowling

[express bowling]

England have picked Gus Atkinson in their World Cup squad.

 

He is supposedly express pace.

 

He hasn't debuted in international cricket yet and still makes it to the WC squad due to his pace. 

 

Thing is, most countries just die to pick express pacers. India is the only exception. 

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

England have picked Gus Atkinson in their World Cup squad.

 

He is supposedly express pace.

 

He hasn't debuted in international cricket yet and still makes it to the WC squad due to his pace. 

 

Thing is, most countries just die to pick express pacers. India is the only exception. 

 

Yes, got upto 150 kmph (The Hundred), bowls from close to stumps.

 

Express pace is not easy to come-by (v.rare commodity), even Lee, Tait were picked early. Cummins was picked early as well when he was 145 kmph+.

Bowlers donot bowl express throughout their life, its a very short period of time and most teams tries to make most out of it

 

Aus just picked Spencer Johnson who was not even a part of their domestic set-up 6 months back just because he has extra pace

 

Ind team looks for complete pace bowler who do not have pace.

 

Edited August 23, 2023 by tapandrun

[tapandrun]

8 hours ago, the don said:

Rauf has very little hard ball mileage. He has played 0 age group cricket. He can maintain that peak for a long time, Umran is on a slide in terms of pace. He has been bowling very average speeds for a while. In IPL and westindies.

 

For bowling some 10-20 balls over the  weekend and then to play 50 overs game is a feat itself. But age catches-up its not about if he as mileage on him or not.

 

Imo decrease in Umran's pace was due to the ppl in his ears - Check what Lara (SRH mentor)said and we all know ind TM thoughts on fast bowling -"Slow, very slow and wavery " is their choice for Ind intnl

Edited August 23, 2023 by tapandrun

[singhvivek141]

11 hours ago, the don said:

Jee bhai aapka attack superior hai. Aap khush rahain.

khoobsurat backup. Tyagi is not good enough for domestic teams and you ve listed him as a  back up bana dia hai. He is no where near selection or scheme of things. Arshdeep is a declining trundler. I saw Rana at the emerging cup. Sure you have your opinion.

Even Praisdh wasn't a regular for Karnataka, but he is better than many domestic pacers.

Tyagi is from UP which has most number of next gen fast bowlers, its not easy to break in consistently given you have place for only 2/3 quicks. On top of that it's a largest state in India in terms of population.

 

States like Gujrat & Maharashtra has 3-3 teams, which allows more exposure. UP has only one.

[the don]

3 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Even Praisdh wasn't a regular for Karnataka, but he is better than many domestic pacers.

Tyagi is from UP which has most number of next gen fast bowlers, its not easy to break in consistently given you have place for only 2/3 quicks. On top of that it's a largest state in India in terms of population.

 

States like Gujrat & Maharashtra has 3-3 teams, which allows more exposure. UP has only one.

If he is not breaking into his state team how realistic is it to expect him to break into team India anytime soon? Its not possible. Just a pipe dream because i dont think the selectors see him as a back up.

[Norman]

12 hours ago, express bowling said:

England have picked Gus Atkinson in their World Cup squad.

 

He is supposedly express pace.

 

He hasn't debuted in international cricket yet and still makes it to the WC squad due to his pace. 

 

Thing is, most countries just die to pick express pacers. India is the only exception. 

 

 

Exactly lol.

 

Indian fans are still crying about Tilak's inclusion in the Asia Cup squad and instead want eggsperienced oldies there.

 

Reason why England are the world champions in both white ball formats and us winning fukk all for a decade.

[Norman]

17 minutes ago, the don said:

If he is not breaking into his state team how realistic is it to expect him to break into team India anytime soon? Its not possible. Just a pipe dream because i dont think the selectors see him as a back up.

 

Why are you acting dumb? Everyone and their dog knows that Indian team selection is based on the IPL performances. Tyagi is a regular for SRH and will likely play for India in the near future now that shami/Bhuvi/Umesh will be binned forever.

[MK55]

Are Umran, Tyagi playing any domestic tournaments? Umran has been totally wasted. They carried him in the team, played him for 2-4 overs a series and then also messed up his thinking with some inept coaching. And then what else do u expect with this village clown as the captain.

Anyways up to him now to make a comeback. Might need some time to cleanse himself of the garbage that’s been fed to him. Important that he actually starts playing.

Dont know wtf is going on with Tyage lol. Keep hearing his name and then he’s played nothing. Better to find some place where he gets some game time. Ne needs to take the initiative himself 
 

[singhvivek141]

38 minutes ago, the don said:

If he is not breaking into his state team how realistic is it to expect him to break into team India anytime soon? Its not possible. Just a pipe dream because i dont think the selectors see him as a back up.

Because breaking into a state team needs a lot of other factors.

State team selection rewards mostly the pacers who are playing tournaments for long time. Shivam Mavi is a prime example who found a place in UP Ranji squad only from 2022 on regular basis once the seniors hang their boots.

 

Also, FYI..Tyagi don't get a place in Ranji..but he regularly plays VHT & SMAT (50 & 20 over domestic tournaments). So it's not like he is on sideline totally.

 

Even the UP T20 tournament starting from 30th August, he is part of Meerut Mavericks team which will be lead by Rinku Singh.