Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

 

This thread is for Indian pacers mainly.

 

Got excited we have a tall quick

 

 

We do have tall quicks too but koi planning hi nahi hai. Divyanshu Singh 6 feet 6 from Mumbai, bowls 135+. Ajay Sheokand 6'6 Haryana bowls 140.

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

We do have tall quicks too but koi planning hi nahi hai. Divyanshu Singh 6 feet 6 from Mumbai, bowls 135+. Ajay Sheokand 6'6 Haryana bowls 140.

 

Gurnoor Brar is also there. Need to focus on them

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Gurnoor Brar is also there. Need to focus on them

Gurnoor has already played domestic, bowled in India nets. So people have eyes on him.

[tapandrun]

The Upt20 match in which rinku got a ton, did they drop Karthik tyagi??

[ind_hyd1]

Any update on Shivam Mav's speeds.Sad to see him bowling like a trundlers last season

[singhvivek141]

7 hours ago, ind_hyd1 said:

Any update on Shivam Mav's speeds.Sad to see him bowling like a trundlers last season

Bowling at 135-140 in UPT20.

Pace is definitely quicker....though not to its former glory.

Tyagi, Naman, Mavi are quickest.

Edited August 25, 2025 by singhvivek141

[tapandrun]

Was watching Dplt20 highlight a commentator sounded like (sehwag-90% it was him) and was suggesting bowler to slow down and look for variations.

 

Is there any other cricketing system which discourages fasting bowling like this??? 

[singhvivek141]

8 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Was watching Dplt20 highlight a commentator sounded like (sehwag-90% it was him) and was suggesting bowler to slow down and look for variations.

 

Is there any other cricketing system which discourages fasting bowling like this??? 

Same is happening in UPT20...

The minutes a fast bowler get hit for six...they will use some jargons to demean pace by saying fast bowls are sent to boundary faster.

While when trundlers are bashed for 50 plus runs in 4 overs...they will appreciate batters.

[tapandrun]

Here is why Ind will find it hard to develop faster bowlers, the issue is the system. TM , selectors , Captain wants superfecial quick results that work in bileteral odis in Ind 

 

 

Edited August 26, 2025 by tapandrun

[Vk1]

On 8/19/2025 at 4:20 PM, MK55 said:

Nadre Burger is back for SA.

consistently 140+ swing LAF is pure gold

[Suhaan]

2 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Here is why Ind will find it hard to develop faster bowlers, the issue is the system. TM , selectors , Captain wants superfecial quick results that work in bileteral odis in Ind 

 

 

Uptil that era you will find guys who will advocate for spin irrespective of surface

Maybe you have a hope ,post this era guys like Bumrah,Rahane,Aaron,Umesh,maybe Shami will endorse pace more

[singhvivek141]

8 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Uptil that era you will find guys who will advocate for spin irrespective of surface

Maybe you have a hope ,post this era guys like Bumrah,Rahane,Aaron,Umesh,maybe Shami will endorse pace more

Not him.

Wasnt he advocating Umran to cut on his pace and focus more on line and length.

 

Rahane is another mumbaikar...their knowledge of cricket is limited to batters only. 

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

Not him.

Wasnt he advocating Umran to cut on his pace and focus more on line and length.

 

Rahane is another mumbaikar...their knowledge of cricket is limited to batters only. 

I knew people will quote that ,he didn't have proper choice of words to convey what he meant

He was only suggesting wayward pace is of no use if you don't bowl at proper line(and length)

It was that point of time when Umran did struggle with his length and going for lots of runs(people don't comment on people who ask a youngster to bowl a certain way when he was already bowling well with his normal lengths),Shami was just calling that out

Even I out of joke said he was jealous of Umran pace (as we all do in an IPL thread)

Rahanes sample size is small but whatever little opportunity he had he showed he doesn't  hate pace that much as other paindus do,he used Umesh well in Dharamsshala and did well with aggressive field settings and as ked our bench pace attack to follow it thoroughly as a stand in captain during famous BGT 20-21 Aus

Edited August 26, 2025 by Suhaan

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, Suhaan said:

I knew people will quote that ,he didn't have proper choice of words to convey what he meant

He was only suggesting wayward pace is of no use if you don't bowl at proper line(and length)

It was that point of time when Umran did struggle with his length and going for lots of runs(people don't comment on people who ask a youngster to bowl a certain way when he was already bowling well with his normal lengths),Shami was just calling that out

Even I out of joke said he was jealous of Umran pace (as we all do in an IPL thread)

Rahanes sample size is small but whatever little opportunity he had he showed he doesn't  hate pace that much as other paindus do,he used Umesh well in Dharamsshala and did well with aggressive field settings and as ked our bench pace attack to follow it thoroughly as a stand in captain during famous BGT 20-21 Aus

 

These are really tough times , not sure whom to believe and whom not to.

Likes of Agarkar, GG, Saurav, Dravid used to talk highly about pacers...they all went back.

Shastriji supported quicks in Tests...but relied on trundlers in White ball.

 

[express bowling]

6 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

Shastriji supported quicks in Tests...but relied on trundlers in White ball.

 

 

Kohli, Shastri and Arun played just one trundler, Bhuvi, in white ball cricket, who they thought gave them control in LOIs. No other trundler got that many chances. 

Edited August 26, 2025 by express bowling

[tapandrun]

Yes thats how Ind churns-up short trundler one after another, they are redefining fast bowling. There is no concept of fast bowling. Captains needs false sense of control which works in bilateral odis vs an equally matched side or lower positioned sides

 

Bhuvi was pinnacle of that no need to bowl fast but to control the line and length theory bowler and only thing that can 1-up him was if he can bat properly.

And bhuvi too was only really good top of the game when he added few kmphs to his pace.

 

 

 

[tapandrun]

9 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Uptil that era you will find guys who will advocate for spin irrespective of surface

Maybe you have a hope ,post this era guys like Bumrah,Rahane,Aaron,Umesh,maybe Shami will endorse pace more

After the bowling line-up ind created and the way it was not developed or not taken forward there are not many hopes.

Ind had the resources but chose to invest in low potential pacers and that thing is still continuing.

 

Just go through what happened since Ishant retired, then Umesh retired and shami is semi retired now, who they have added or tried to develop ???

Check the list of pacers who have been making into A side tours and Emerging cups. Its all same RA/LA nothing bowlers who they invest for couple of years but they are no good to so repeat same thing with another bowler.-- Mukesh kumar, Avesh, Unadkat etc where are they now, why they are not graduating into full strength 11 ??  

 

Ind had Sen, Simar,etc who had some potential and if nothing they were tall and quick basic building block for a good fast bowler.

 

Even in T20is (in big events) you need proper fast bowlers with white-ball skills, how many specialist t20 bowlers last 2 years ??? Answer is none if they can not bat they become unreliable after sometime and most of them fade away.

 

 

[singhvivek141]

13 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

After the bowling line-up ind created and the way it was not developed or not taken forward there are not many hopes.

Ind had the resources but chose to invest in low potential pacers and that thing is still continuing.

 

Just go through what happened since Ishant retired, then Umesh retired and shami is semi retired now, who they have added or tried to develop ???

Check the list of pacers who have been making into A side tours and Emerging cups. Its all same RA/LA nothing bowlers who they invest for couple of years but they are no good to so repeat same thing with another bowler.-- Mukesh kumar, Avesh, Unadkat etc where are they now, why they are not graduating into full strength 11 ??  

 

Ind had Sen, Simar,etc who had some potential and if nothing they were tall and quick basic building block for a good fast bowler.

 

Even in T20is (in big events) you need proper fast bowlers with white-ball skills, how many specialist t20 bowlers last 2 years ??? Answer is none if they can not bat they become unreliable after sometime and most of them fade away.

 

 

Ishant debuted at age of 19
Umesh was 23, Shami was 23, even Aaron was 22.

Now a days
Mukesh was 31, Unadkut 2.0 31, Akashdeep 27, Siraj 26/27, Prasidh 27
Kamboj and Harshit were the ones who were under 25.

if we bring these RA/LA  bowlers at age of 27-30...they will take atleast 1-2 years to develop...they will be 30 and then after couple of years they'll start to decline.
Sen is now 28, Yudhvir 27, Gurnoor 25, Tyagi 24-25, Simarjeet 27-28. Where is the time for these pacers.

 

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

Ishant debuted at age of 19
Umesh was 23, Shami was 23, even Aaron was 22.

Now a days
Mukesh was 31, Unadkut 2.0 31, Akashdeep 27, Siraj 26/27, Prasidh 27
Kamboj and Harshit were the ones who were under 25.

if we bring these RA/LA  bowlers at age of 27-30...they will take atleast 1-2 years to develop...they will be 30 and then after couple of years they'll start to decline.
Sen is now 28, Yudhvir 27, Gurnoor 25, Tyagi 24-25, Simarjeet 27-28. Where is the time for these pacers.

 

Age is nt. a problem, the issue is even when they are 30 they look like have no skill or are not fully developed. Look at ryan haris he was stop gap, even boland they donot look like that they still are underdevelopment product, after playing some many domestic seasons one should be plug and play state for itnl level.

 

 

Bcci policies have changed and the game has changed, bcci are trying to stop the age frauds by reducing the importance to U19, previously if some1 played u19 wc and had good SF or F then with in 1-2 seasons of domestic they were promoted to intnl cricket, not anymore. 

 

Sen should have played more intnl cricket, Yudhvir and Simar should have already played couple of home t20i series to test them out.

Gurnoor should have been on those A sides and Emerging cups.

Can not say much about Tyagi he is injured most of time hardly plays any domestic and changes his action every season. 

 

 

There is an icc event every 8 month now so developing a player for 4 years is now somewhat out of window so there is a place for players in 30s or late 20s but they have to be up there on the top of the game. Else there is no point to try to develop a player in 30s when it takes to years for him to gauge their  own  game and then suddenly starting to fade because of obvious reasons

Edited August 26, 2025 by tapandrun

[Need4Speed]

Umran comes back couple of wkts in Buchi Babu for JnK.. one good clean bowled at pace..another one bowled with inside edge

 

 

Edited August 26, 2025 by Need4Speed