Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[ShoonyaSifar]

Just now, express bowling said:

Prasidh not bowling at full pace.

 

Don't know why !

 

He has got a chance after a long wait and must give it his all.

 

 

Very poor body language as if he doesn't want to be there. Just ambling in and floating the ball without much effort except for a delivery or two

[ComfortFood]

7 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Want Prasidh and Siraj to get to play all 3 ODI games on the trot ... and told that that will be the case.

 

We may see them bowling much better then.

 

They have been decent so far today.

Im sorry i dnt think they have been decent today. Mind you they’re playing against an awful WI team

plenty of wide hittable deliveries not taken to the cleaners.

Edited February 6, 2022 by ComfortFood

[express bowling]

Nasty bouncer by Siraj

 

Hits Holder on the thumb and it's getting treated.

[express bowling]

Prasidh dismisses a set Holder by getting a ball to climb steeply at sharp pace from just back of a length.

 

Both his wickets were due to extra bounce.

 

And I want him in the team because of this extra bounce.

 

Just needs to go back to his full pace of 135 k to 145 k or higher.  Has bowled 127 k to 143 k today.

 

 

Edited February 6, 2022 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Good indipping yorker by Prasidh.

 

And another one.

Edited February 6, 2022 by express bowling

[Suhaan]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Good indipping yorker by Prasidh.

 

And another one.

Prasidh struggling with run-up

[rkt.india]

22 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

To use a phrase that ENG commentators often use for Wood and Archer, Prasidh is a point of difference bowler for India. He has the pace and he extracts disconcerting bounce.

 

The challenge for TM under Dravid and Rohit is to make sure Prasidh doubles down on his strengths - pace and bounce. Instead of worrying about slower ones and cutters.

 

He was far from his best today struggling with run up and rhythm and a decent team could have carted him at least in the opening spell. Still, he did show he can be a wicket taking threat even in his later spells with the combination of his bounce and a spread out field.

He is a first change bowler. Lacks control with new ball. Can make a difference in middle overs hitting the deck hard.

 

Edited February 6, 2022 by rkt.india

[Suhaan]

6 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

Instead of worrying about slower ones and cutters.

Most Indian newcomers have a false perception about slowers being only variation that they need to have to become successful in LoIS,endup overdoing it which becomes a habit later on

[Jay]

3 hours ago, the don said:

Prasidh average speed 134 kph so far. 

He should look to crank it up to make a mark as siraj seems like a better overall bowler. 

we prefer bounce based players not pace. pace alone means f all. bounce, yorker at 134-140 is more than enough. 

[Suhaan]

7 minutes ago, Jay said:

we prefer bounce based players not pace. pace alone means f all. bounce, yorker at 134-140 is more than enough. 

No,if he is capable of bowling at 140s regularly with that vicious bounce then its not enough

He will be more threatening and more so against stronger batting lineups,he doesn't need to lower his ceiling

We don't need to put a cap on just having bounce when the guy is fully capable to go full tilt

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

No,if he is capable of bowling at 140s regularly with that vicious bounce then its not enough

He will be more threatening and more so against stronger batting lineups,he doesn't need to lower his ceiling

We don't need to put a cap on just having bounce when the guy is fully capable to go full tilt

 

Exactly !

 

Prasidh's bounce can be even more disconcerting if he bowls at 145 k.

[express bowling]

The Indian TM need to look at why EVERY Indian pacer is bowling 3 kph to 5 kph SLOWER compared to the 2015 to 2020 period. !!

 

I wonder whether the rot started when Strength and Conditioning coach Shanker Basu left !  He was simply superb !

 

We need a good Strength and Conditioning coach for Team India. (  A good one is needed at the NCA too )

[Jay]

20 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

No,if he is capable of bowling at 140s regularly with that vicious bounce then its not enough

He will be more threatening and more so against stronger batting lineups,he doesn't need to lower his ceiling

We don't need to put a cap on just having bounce when the guy is fully capable to go full tilt

full tilt for only WC games. not bilterals. and tests mainly. 

who cares about these bilaterals. 

[Suhaan]

6 minutes ago, Jay said:

full tilt for only WC games. not bilterals. and tests mainly. 

who cares about these bilaterals. 

Arey bhai he won't suddenly start bowling 145 in WC,maybe you are saying he's preserving his energy

It may hold true for Suraj, Bumrah not him

He has barely played,need to cement his place and impress everyone

[Jay]

7 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Arey bhai he won't suddenly start bowling 145 in WC,maybe you are saying he's preserving his energy

It may hold true for Suraj, Bumrah not him

He has barely played,need to cement his place and impress everyone

impress in tests. he can impress in tests. its his strongest format. he is a good odi bowler based on list A stats too though

[Vijy]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

The Indian TM need to look at why EVERY Indian pacer is bowling 3 kph to 5 kph SLOWER compared to the 2015 to 2020 period. !!

 

I wonder whether the rot started when Strength and Conditioning coach Shanker Basu left !  He was simply superb !

 

We need a good Strength and Conditioning coach for Team India. (  A good one is needed at the NCA too )

it could also be because trundleritis is rampant. if one can trundle and get away with it, most would do so.

[Vk1]

impressive to see Prasidh get two wickets with extra bounce on a track where spinners got help.. we are familiar with these type of dismissals as we are usually on the wrong side of it.. tall seamer with bounce.. reminds me of his state mate Srinath

[Jay]

10 hours ago, Suhaan said:

No,if he is capable of bowling at 140s regularly with that vicious bounce then its not enough

He will be more threatening and more so against stronger batting lineups,he doesn't need to lower his ceiling

We don't need to put a cap on just having bounce when the guy is fully capable to go full tilt

No bowler can sustain such speeds at 140 plus and maintain bounce. No one. You will break down. 

Bumrah and Cummins do it but they are methodical when they do it. They don't go 140 plus all the time. And Cummins has already slowed down.

 

You either bowl bouncy stuff at 135-140 or even less like Wagner 130-136 if you hit good lengths. Other option would be to sacrifice bounce for more pace. Can't have both. Body won't be able to handle it. 

Same way bowling yorkers consistently at 140 plus will cause your body to wear out quicker. Need to use both bounce and yorkers sparingly. 

[Suhaan]

4 hours ago, Jay said:

No bowler can sustain such speeds at 140 plus and maintain bounce. No one. You will break down. 

Obviously,it is a well known fact

But even in tests there are peak spells where bowlers bowl with peak steam and manage their energy throughout the day's play

Prasidh prior to this used to bowl in excess of 145 in his peak spells,no one expects him to bowl all his 60 deliveries at 140 but atleast his initial burst/when the ball gets little old, to be in 140s 

Else Good opposition will find it quite easy to score runs against

When the ball is new i can understand he may have thrived for swing,but when it gets old pace comes into the picture

Middle overs will decide between batting shootouts,that is where trundling has lost its mojo and will be eventually gone in days to come from modern loi cricket,good that he is using bounce though

[Vk1]

Prasidh seems to be having the knack of picking wickets.. much needed in our team where bowlers like Bhuvi, Chahal play for their places and don't look for wickets.. he will very expensive at times.. we need to be mindful of that

Edited February 7, 2022 by Vk1