Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Vk1]

sources say Bhuvi is itching for Zim game.. a 4 wicket haul there will guarantee his place for next world cup

[Sandz]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

Arshdeep 142 k indipping yorker.

 

And 142 k.again next ball.

For me trundler cut off is at 137k, anyone above that is not a trundler, If he can maintain an average above that he will have a great career. And am sure he can add a few yards of pace via strength conditioning 

[the don]

10 minutes ago, Sandz said:

For me trundler cut off is at 137k, anyone above that is not a trundler, If he can maintain an average above that he will have a great career. And am sure he can add a few yards of pace via strength conditioning 

Every bowler at this level can bowl an effort ball above 137ks in t20s.

 

[rkt.india]

17 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

yeah but he is never going to be out and out fast so has to maintain his swing .

He can become 135-145 bowler. Right now, 130-142.

[rkt.india]

Bumrah, Siraj, Prasidh, Arshdeep, Umran, Kartik, Mohsin, Kuldeep is a good group of fast bowlers to work with for selectors and team management. 

[Sandz]

18 minutes ago, the don said:

Every bowler at this level can bowl an effort ball above 137ks in t20s.

 

That’s why I said average of 137k not just 1-2 deliveries like Shaheen this World Cup.

[Sandz]

Do we have speed data for this match? Or average speeds excluding slower balls?

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, Sandz said:

For me trundler cut off is at 137k, anyone above that is not a trundler, If he can maintain an average above that he will have a great career. And am sure he can add a few yards of pace via strength conditioning 

 

 

I agree.

 

Arshdeep does that in the death overs.

 

But bowls 128 k to 138 k with the new ball, averaging 132 k or 133 k.  That is ok if the ball swings conventionally. But looks innocuous without swing, like today.

 

Arshdeep must practice bowling at his death over speeds if the ball is not swinging upfront. 

 

 

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, the don said:

Every bowler at this level can bowl an effort ball above 137ks in t20s.

 

 

 

Arshdeep bowled his last 3 overs at 138 k to 142 k. 

 

With his height of 6'2" or 6'3" and high release point .. good accuracy .. late indip .. and surprise bouncers, it is not easy to handle. 

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Bumrah, Siraj, Prasidh, Arshdeep, Umran, Kartik, Mohsin, Kuldeep Sen  is a good group of fast bowlers to work with for selectors and team management. 

 

 

Yes, this should be our pace bowling pool.

Edited November 2, 2022 by express bowling

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

He can become 135-145 bowler. Right now, 130-142.

 

 

Do you feel that Arshdeep can fo it ?

 

He must develop a hit thd deck good length ball too.

 

 

[the don]

Asif ali facing hasnain in the nets is the funniest video you ll see today. Dude got battered and bruised. 
 

[Vilander]

11 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Bumrah, Siraj, Prasidh, Arshdeep, Umran, Kartik, Mohsin, Kuldeep is a good group of fast bowlers to work with for selectors and team management. 

 

Who are the next rung ?

 

Saini Mavi Nagar etc what is their scenario according to you. Any chance of a 3 fast bowler + pandya lineup in sena loi ?

[Vilander]

11 hours ago, Sandz said:

That’s why I said average of 137k not just 1-2 deliveries like Shaheen this World Cup.

138 avg is fast according to some of widely recognised nomenclature I have come across. Which lines up with past fast bowling nomenclature as well. Some one who is military 138 k to 140 like a mohit sharma type bowler would be the only exception. Someone like pandya or stokes being an arounder that hits 140 to 145 is automatically fast imo, not withstanding their average pace.

[singhvivek141]

36 minutes ago, Vilander said:

 

Who are the next rung ?

 

Saini Mavi Nagar etc what is their scenario according to you. Any chance of a 3 fast bowler + pandya lineup in sena loi ?

Saini is bowling quick, saw the match in SMAT and he is hurrying the batters. But dude in close to 30 so not much hopes.

 

Mavi is picking up wickets but pace wise he isn't there yet, there were no speed guns but he was in 135-140 range, not more than that. Also his radar isn't that accurate which should be for that pace.

 

Nagarkoti is performing okaish but he has to punch above his weight to get noticed, he isn't getting that breakthrough season which we all want to see. Batting ability has also declined a lot, while pace wise he hasn't improved. A very good fielder though.

[Vilander]

9 hours ago, the don said:

Asif ali facing hasnain in the nets is the funniest video you ll see today. Dude got battered and bruised. 
 

 

So Don how many domestic teams have 140+ pacers in pak. How many 140k pacers in reckoning for national. Don't give some absurd like of them etc. Give actual stats.

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Saini is bowling quick, saw the match in SMAT and he is hurrying the batters. But dude in close to 30 so not much hopes.

 

Mavi is picking up wickets but pace wise he isn't there yet, there were no speed guns but he was in 135-140 range, not more than that. Also his radar isn't that accurate which should be for that pace.

 

Nagarkoti is performing okaish but he has to punch above his weight to get noticed, he isn't getting that breakthrough season which we all want to see. Batting ability has also declined a lot, while pace wise he hasn't improved. A very good fielder though.

 

 

Dominant teams, like WI and Australia in their heydays, always tried to pick tall, hit the deck quicks with just  1 or 2 shorter pacers for variety. 

 

Both Mavi and Nagarkoti are short pacers. 

 

We have too many short and medium height pacers already 

 

5 Short Pacers .... Shami, Umran, Bhuvi, Harshal, Shardul

 

5 Medium Height Pacers .... Bumrah, Siraj, Umesh, Hardik, D.Chahar

 

Just 3 Tall pacers and all are new .... Prasidh, Arshdeep, Avesh

 

Now Sen and Dayal are in the squad. We need more such pacers. 

[Need4Speed]

12 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Yes, this should be our pace bowling pool.

Though..yet to prove..but How about grooming Raj Bawa,Hangarekar too..they look to have good potential..I am also interested to see how Sabir khan bowls in IPL

[singhvivek141]

37 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Dominant teams, like WI and Australia in their heydays, always tried to pick tall, hit the deck quicks with just  1 or 2 shorter pacers for variety. 

 

Both Mavi and Nagarkoti are short pacers. 

 

We have too many short and medium height pacers already 

 

5 Short Pacers .... Shami, Umran, Bhuvi, Harshal, Shardul

 

5 Medium Height Pacers .... Bumrah, Siraj, Umesh, Hardik, D.Chahar

 

Just 3 Tall pacers and all are new .... Prasidh, Arshdeep, Avesh

 

Now Sen and Dayal are in the squad. We need more such pacers. 

Apart from these 5 we have Tyagi, Mohsin, Rajvardhan as the tall pacers...total 8 of them. Simarjeet is also medium height, while Bawa is short.

[rkt.india]

17 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Apart from these 5 we have Tyagi, Mohsin, Rajvardhan as the tall pacers...total 8 of them. Simarjeet is also medium height, while Bawa is short.

Rajvardhan is shorter than Simarjeet who is 6 feet.