Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[express bowling]

4 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

He has to fight against the likes of Hangargekar, Arjun Tendulkar..who both bring different dimensions.

 

Hangargekar is taller and quicker than Mavi 2.0 in terms of pace and hitting ability, fielding wise not so sure. If Mavi can up his pace in range of 140-145 then he is ahead.

 

Arjun Tendulkar is tallest of 3 and brings a left arm angle, can move the new ball both ways and bowl Yorkers as well. Mavi hasn't shown ability to bowl Yorkers yet.

 

 

And Raj Bawa who was amazing as a bowler for India A in the Unofficial ODIs.  He gets good bounce off length and is very zippy off the deck. 

 

And he is a better batter than the other 3.

[singhvivek141]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

Arjun has just started. Mavi has a longer body of work and tbh surprised how poor he was with the ball: always rated him high as a bowler.

 

hangrekar never seen him actually just heard a lot of hype. Hope he is good.

 

Mavi on seniority and body of work should get a relatively long  rope and if he shows no improvement then back to the drawing board: we can take a gamble on him I feel.

He is strong lad, one problem I see is his run-up is weird....more than half of the distance he does a brisk walk during his run-up only to run towards the end followed by a big leap...hence his pace oscillates between 130-142.

 

If a bowling coach can improve his that aspect then he can easily clock 145+.

[singhvivek141]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

And Raj Bawa who was amazing as a bowler for India A in the Unofficial ODIs.  He gets good bounce off length and is very zippy off the deck. 

 

And he is a better batter than the other 3.

Yeah, Raj Bawa is there as well. But I consider Raj Bawa more as a competition to Hardik Pandya (based on his U 19 performance).

 

His batting is much more refined than Hangargekar or Arjun Tendulkar, who are mostly bowlers with a bit of batting/hitting ability. 

[Suhaan]

15 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Hangargekar is taller and quicker than Mavi 2.0

Hangerakar is noway consistently quicker as of now, he's isn't that quick which we make of him "as yet"

Mavi is disappointingly bowling way slow than what he's capable of

I can bet anything,he can bowl well over 150 tomorrow if he wants to, that's what he is

We need Jyamvant type bowling coach to awaken the giant inside these guys

Hangerakar doesn't have that pace ceiling which Mavi has

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Yeah, Raj Bawa is there as well. But I consider Raj Bawa more as a competition to Hardik Pandya (based on his U 19 performance).

 

His batting is much more refined than Hangargekar or Arjun Tendulkar, who are mostly bowlers with a bit of batting/hitting ability. 

 

 

Yes. But as Hardik is the captain and will be around for long, Bawa can come in at 8.

 

In Senior Cricket, he is bowling his full quota with panache and is a full fledged bowler now in white ball cricket. 

 

 

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Hangerakar is noway consistently quicker as of now, he's isn't that quick which we make of him "as yet"

Mavi is disappointingly bowling way slow than what he's capable of

I can bet anything,he can bowl well over 150 tomorrow if he wants to, that's what he is

We need Jyamvant type bowling coach to awaken the giant inside these guys

Hangerakar doesn't have that pace ceiling which Mavi has

 

 

Under Mhambrey, Mavi may drop down to 125 k.

 

Hangargekar gets a lot of zip and bounce off the deck even if he clocks 130 to 140. He hurries batters and makes them hop. 

[Suhaan]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

Hangargekar gets a lot of zip and bounce off the deck even if he clocks 130 to 140. He hurries batters and makes them hop. 

Even Mavi does that with his current pace

I don't think and whatever i have seen of Hangarekar from his sprint to the crease to the release he doesn't come across as young Mavi(here im drwaing comparison with Young Mavi)

Mavi was a beast untill 2018 IPL,where he very very rapid and was getting good amount of kick

Im not saying Hangerakar may never become,im just talking about his current ability

[express bowling]

6 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Even Mavi does that with his current pace

I don't think and whatever i have seen of Hangarekar from his sprint to the crease to the release he doesn't come across as young Mavi(here im drwaing comparison with Young Mavi)

Mavi was a beast untill 2018 IPL,where he very very rapid and was getting good amount of kick

Im not saying Hangerakar may never become,im just talking about his current ability

 

 

I agree fully with your take on Hangargekar vis a vis a young Mavi.

 

Regarding current Mavi, why is he looking so slow on a zippy track when clocking 138 k !  His ball release has probably become worse and he is not using his wrists well enough. 

 

 

Edited January 5, 2023 by express bowling

[Suhaan]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

 

I agree fully with your take on Hangargekar.

 

Regarding Mavi, why is he looking so slow on a zippy track when clocking 138 k !  His ball release has probably become worse and he is not using his wrists well enough. 

 

 

Yes that is disappoiting for all of us,why he chooses this version to be ?

That clip where he recently touched 150k in the nets was a token of assurance that he was probably going back to his older self

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

Yes that is disappoiting for all of us,why he chooses this version to be ?

That clip where he recently touched 150k in the nets was a token of assurance that he was probably going back to his older self

 

Those 5 sec. clips are hard to judge bowler, he might be trying whole month and one good day he hit those speeds and got it on the video.

 

Not impressed by Mavi's bowling and his T20 SR is below 100, Ind is selecting too many similar kind 135ish bowlers who are neither tall nor have variations.

Additionally no-one can contribute with lower down batting/hitting in genuine fashion

 

 

Edited January 5, 2023 by tapandrun

[Vijy]

7 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

I agree fully with your take on Hangargekar vis a vis a young Mavi.

 

Regarding current Mavi, why is he looking so slow on a zippy track when clocking 138 k !  His ball release has probably become worse and he is not using his wrists well enough. 

 

 

it's a matter of floating the ball up, and not hitting that deck hard... getting it to bounce and hitting the splice of the bat.

[RAZPOR]

Jammu express doing well, umran will be the one to watch out for.

Waiting to see him paired with bumrah.

 

[Need4Speed]

25 minutes ago, RAZPOR said:

Jammu express doing well, umran will be the one to watch out for.

Waiting to see him paired with bumrah.

 

I saw his recent intvws..he is working onhitting line and length consistently…practicing yorkers every session..practicing slower balls as well..

With more game time under his belt he is going to get more confident,consistent,smarter and lethal..

[singhvivek141]

9 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Hangerakar is noway consistently quicker as of now, he's isn't that quick which we make of him "as yet"

Mavi is disappointingly bowling way slow than what he's capable of

I can bet anything,he can bowl well over 150 tomorrow if he wants to, that's what he is

We need Jyamvant type bowling coach to awaken the giant inside these guys

Hangerakar doesn't have that pace ceiling which Mavi has

You're right, Mavi has potential to hit higher pace, but the present version of Mavi (Mavi 2.0) is nothing but another copy of Bhuvi.

 

Mavi when he played IPL 2018 hit 149 k and was lighting up the speed guns, however the Mavi who played in 2022 IPL was barely touching 140 and was mostly in 130-135 range...that's a big difference of 9-10 kmph. 

[Lone Wolf]

While likes odlf Deep das & Murli kartik were moaning about accuracy....  Gambhir said he has rarely seen such control & accuracy of a express pacer like Umran does.  And said others he watched used to spray the ball around. 

Leeches like kartik should be kicked out man. 

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

You're right, Mavi has potential to hit higher pace, but the present version of Mavi (Mavi 2.0) is nothing but another copy of Bhuvi.

 

Mavi when he played IPL 2018 hit 149 k and was lighting up the speed guns, however the Mavi who played in 2022 IPL was barely touching 140 and was mostly in 130-135 range...that's a big difference of 9-10 kmph. 

 

How can someone go from 145+ to 130+ in such a short period. 

[Vijy]

39 minutes ago, Vilander said:

 

How can someone go from 145+ to 130+ in such a short period. 

that's what is known as "tailunt" I believe

[Vijy]

10 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Yes. But as Hardik is the captain and will be around for long, Bawa can come in at 8.

 

In Senior Cricket, he is bowling his full quota with panache and is a full fledged bowler now in white ball cricket. 

 

 

bawa is indeed supposed to be a pandya-like player, who could bat at 6. nishant sindhu and sundar are the potential long-term spin ARs IMO. both can bat in top 6, but can also easily bowl 7-8 overs min

[express bowling]

10 minutes ago, Vijy said:

bawa is indeed supposed to be a pandya-like player, who could bat at 6. nishant sindhu and sundar are the potential long-term spin ARs IMO. both can bat in top 6, but can also easily bowl 7-8 overs min

 

He can. But if he is considered at 6 only then he won't play regularly for India for the next 7 years.  As a 7 or 8, he can play even now.

[Vijy]

5 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

He can. But if he is considered at 6 only then he won't play regularly for India for the next 7 years.  As a 7 or 8, he can play even now.

pandya has become more of a consolidator, and is also starting to bowl less (fitness issues). since he is unlikely to be booted, the best position for him will be no. 5. bawa at 6, sindhu/sundar at 7, rando trundler at 8.

Edited January 6, 2023 by Vijy