Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Suhaan]

2 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

However, there is no doubt that Shoaib, Lee and Tait were 155+, 160 is bit too much given how much effort it takes for Wood to bowl at 157

above three are knee dominant while Wood is semi open hip dominat

Historically knee dominants have been quicker 

There is a reason he had to elongate his runup to maximise his pace

[singhvivek141]

6 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

above three are knee dominant while Wood is semi open hip dominat

Historically knee dominants have been quicker 

There is a reason he had to elongate his runup to maximise his pace

So, Umran, Tyagi and Kuldeep...are they hip or knee dominant ?
Umran seems as knee dominant, while others as hip.

[tapandrun]

5 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

above three are knee dominant while Wood is semi open hip dominat

Historically knee dominants have been quicker 

There is a reason he had to elongate his runup to maximise his pace

Holding Suggested Wood to have longer run-up and since then only he started hitting mid 150s.

[the don]

29 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Since when Junaid became a 150 bowler ?...he was at max a 135-140 bowler on his good days, else a trundler. 
Umar gul was quick only for a brief period of time in T20's (around 2009-2011) when he was at his peak.
Ryan was also never a 150 kph bowler, in 138-145 range mostly...NCN was also in same range more of less.

The point is all these and a lot of other bowlers have clocked 150 kph at their peak. 
but you cant start calling them express.

[Suhaan]

23 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

So, Umran, Tyagi and Kuldeep...are they hip or knee dominant ?
Umran seems as knee dominant, while others as hip.

All are Hip

Edited January 12, 2023 by Suhaan

[Adamant]

Both Sachin and Sehwag have said that Shoaib was quicker than Lee, lol at posters here trying to big up Lee.

As for Mark Wood, lol, not good enough to tie Shoaib's shoelaces

[tapandrun]

4 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Both Sachin and Sehwag have said that Shoaib was quicker than Lee, lol at posters here trying to big up Lee.

As for Mark Wood, lol, not good enough to tie Shoaib's shoelaces

 

Ind vs Pak series- Ind team kept mentioning Sami felt quicker than Shoaib

[Rightarmfast]

7 hours ago, Vilander said:

 

All of them hit their fastest speeds in the same series and did not do so earlier or since which meant the speed guns were optimistic perhaps. Thats my point.

No sweetheart :p 

You can check as many youtube videos on past matches, but what you cant check is what batsmen who played these bowlers spoke about the Indian bowling.

You all are lucky you all have a few old men like me still lurking around in this group... If you manage to find the newspaper articles and interviews of batsmen from opposition teams, all of them said that the Indians were the most quickest and difficult to play against. I am talking about zimbabwe, english, south african batsmen... They were hitting the bat very hard. As a matter of fact, during 99 WC, Anshuman gaekwad had instructed srinath to go flat out fast. In 2003 WC, Wright and Ganguly had instructed bowlers to go flat out. 

 

And no, I dont agree that Donald was fast medium. He was express. But by 97, 98, Donald was already old and had lost his pace. 

 

Please read yesterdays comment by Ajay Jadeja on Umran Malik. He has said that the only other fast bowler who could bowl as rapid as Umran was Srinath... Peeps, please get rid of this mentality that old speed guns were shyt 

[tapandrun]

6 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

No sweetheart :p 

You can check as many youtube videos on past matches, but what you cant check is what batsmen who played these bowlers spoke about the Indian bowling.

You all are lucky you all have a few old men like me still lurking around in this group... If you manage to find the newspaper articles and interviews of batsmen from opposition teams, all of them said that the Indians were the most quickest and difficult to play against. I am talking about zimbabwe, english, south african batsmen... They were hitting the bat very hard. As a matter of fact, during 99 WC, Anshuman gaekwad had instructed srinath to go flat out fast. In 2003 WC, Wright and Ganguly had instructed bowlers to go flat out. 

 

And no, I dont agree that Donald was fast medium. He was express. But by 97, 98, Donald was already old and had lost his pace. 

 

Please read yesterdays comment by Ajay Jadeja on Umran Malik. He has said that the only other fast bowler who could bowl as rapid as Umran was Srinath... Peeps, please get rid of this mentality that old speed guns were shyt 

 

Never seen Donald and Waqar in their hay days but heard from many follower of that time these 2 were extremely quick.  

[speedracer]

16 hours ago, Adamant said:

Both Sachin and Sehwag have said that Shoaib was quicker than Lee, lol at posters here trying to big up Lee.

As for Mark Wood, lol, not good enough to tie Shoaib's shoelaces

Both said sami was faster and that they found shoaib easy to face. 

[speedracer]

I am 100% positive Donald was never express. Never. There were 3 guys faster than him in the 90s who were actually part of his team.

[singhvivek141]

15 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

No sweetheart :p 

You can check as many youtube videos on past matches, but what you cant check is what batsmen who played these bowlers spoke about the Indian bowling.

You all are lucky you all have a few old men like me still lurking around in this group... If you manage to find the newspaper articles and interviews of batsmen from opposition teams, all of them said that the Indians were the most quickest and difficult to play against. I am talking about zimbabwe, english, south african batsmen... They were hitting the bat very hard. As a matter of fact, during 99 WC, Anshuman gaekwad had instructed srinath to go flat out fast. In 2003 WC, Wright and Ganguly had instructed bowlers to go flat out. 

 

And no, I dont agree that Donald was fast medium. He was express. But by 97, 98, Donald was already old and had lost his pace. 

 

Please read yesterdays comment by Ajay Jadeja on Umran Malik. He has said that the only other fast bowler who could bowl as rapid as Umran was Srinath... Peeps, please get rid of this mentality that old speed guns were shyt 

This statement is not wrong, Srinath was quite fast till 1997 when he had that shoulder injury, post that Srinath's form nosedived and he lost his pace a lot.
He still clocked 149k in 1999 WC, which means he was easily in 143-153 (or higher) range during his pre injury days. Srinath, Umesh, Aaron, Bumrah and now Umran has been the fastest pacers for India.

My issue is with 2003 ODI WC, for some reason it doesn't make sense to me. I can be wrong and I would accept it, but every bowler was hitting higher than usual pace in that tournament. Wasim was hitting 136-137 kph while visually they looked late 120's to early 130's. Jermaine Lawson, Vasbert Drakes, Gillespie all were hitting mid 140's.

In comparison, Zak was barely touching 140 in 2004 series vs Pakistan. Shoaib hardly clocked 150 in that series (he bowled a lot of mid 130's deliveries). Even Bond before the 2003 WC played vs Australia in 2002 and was bowling in 140-148 range, but in WC he was hitting 153-154k regularly.

Edited January 13, 2023 by singhvivek141

[singhvivek141]

16 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

Sami clocked 164k in pak 2004.i think nehra might have clocked 149,I remember 146 in a yt video.

 

Balaji clocked 150 ,Irfan clocked 144,148.

That was an error. Sami was quick but 164 is too much.

 

Balaji clocking 150 and Irfan 148 is again seems to me an error. Both were 135-140 when started. Irfan later became a 128-133 bowler when he focussed on his release after advice from Wasim and became a new ball swinger.

 

Even Shardul has clocked 148 in his debut ODI match. But in the same match most of his deliveries were oscillating in 135-138 range.

Edited January 13, 2023 by singhvivek141

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, MultiB48 said:

Sami clocked 164k in pak 2004.i think nehra might have clocked 149,I remember 146 in a yt video.

 

Balaji clocked 150 ,Irfan clocked 144,148.

Zaheer clocked 170.4kph in 2011wc

 

Tum daal daal toh hum paat paat

[Adamant]

2 hours ago, speedracer said:

Both said sami was faster and that they found shoaib easy to face. 

They have also said that Shoaib was much quicker than Brett lee. 

 

Also I am not talking about just one series where Sami could have been faster

[speedracer]

24 minutes ago, Adamant said:

They have also said that Shoaib was much quicker than Brett lee. 

 

Also I am not talking about just one series where Sami could have been faster

Shoaib is not as quick as wood. Shoaib is a good bowler due to his skills. Besides, you are severly underrating wood btw. Wood was exceptional in Australia and recently in your country, Pakistan too. 

Edited January 13, 2023 by speedracer

[Mesky99]

3 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

This statement is not wrong, Srinath was quite fast till 1997 when he had that shoulder injury, post that Srinath's form nosedived and he lost his pace a lot.
He still clocked 149k in 1999 WC, which means he was easily in 143-153 (or higher) range during his pre injury days. Srinath, Umesh, Aaron, Bumrah and now Umran has been the fastest pacers for India.

My issue is with 2003 ODI WC, for some reason it doesn't make sense to me. I can be wrong and I would accept it, but every bowler was hitting higher than usual pace in that tournament. Wasim was hitting 136-137 kph while visually they looked late 120's to early 130's. Jermaine Lawson, Vasbert Drakes, Gillespie all were hitting mid 140's.

In comparison, Zak was barely touching 140 in 2004 series vs Pakistan. Shoaib hardly clocked 150 in that series (he bowled a lot of mid 130's deliveries). Even Bond before the 2003 WC played vs Australia in 2002 and was bowling in 140-148 range, but in WC he was hitting 153-154k regularly.

Zak was coming back from a injury in 2004, you need to check his speeds both in the champions trophy 2002 and NatWest series the same year, he was bowling 137-144kph range, same with nehra, infact prior to the 2003 world a lot offseason work was done with the seamers and they all credited better fitness for their speeds, Zak became injury prone just after the world cup, same with nehra, Pathan emerged and a year later rp Singh and sreesanth. Speed wise all these bowlers at one stage in their careers bowled 90mph

 

 

 

[Mesky99]

37 minutes ago, speedracer said:

Shoaib is not as quick as wood. Shoaib is a good bowler due to his skills. Besides, you are severly underrating wood btw. Wood was exceptional in Australia and recently in your country, Pakistan too. 

Shoaib was a blatant chucker, the hyper extension rubbish was a lie, here chappel and co doubting his action, rp Singh to had a hyper extension but look at the difference, the elbow extends forward not backwards like shoaib, yhh at point of release he had a hyper extension but before his elbow was bent them straightens, sehwag spoke about this, apparently Shoaib would chuck will bowling short deliveries, some of his footage from the 2007 series looks very dodgy.

[speedracer]

10 minutes ago, Mesky99 said:

Shoaib was a blatant chucker, the hyper extension rubbish was a lie, here chappel and co doubting his action, rp Singh to had a hyper extension but look at the difference, the elbow extends forward not backwards like shoaib, yhh at point of release he had a hyper extension but before his elbow was bent them straightens, sehwag spoke about this, apparently Shoaib would chuck will bowling short deliveries, some of his footage from the 2007 series looks very dodgy.

Would not be surprised one bit if he was chucking tbh. Whole army of chuckers exist in that country. Also starcy looks like a chook chucker when he used to try and bowl short with his old action hence the fluke 161 km delivery. That 161 barely looked like a 150 in nz. Some Rubbish speed guns. 

[Rightarmfast]

17 minutes ago, Mesky99 said:

Zak was coming back from a injury in 2004, you need to check his speeds both in the champions trophy 2002 and NatWest series the same year, he was bowling 137-144kph range, same with nehra, infact prior to the 2003 world a lot offseason work was done with the seamers and they all credited better fitness for their speeds, Zak became injury prone just after the world cup, same with nehra, Pathan emerged and a year later rp Singh and sreesanth. Speed wise all these bowlers at one stage in their careers bowled 90mph

 

 

 

Btw, even RP Singh clocked 148,149 in his career. And Shreesanth could crank it up at one point of time in his career. I have seen some spells where he bowled consistently around 145-149ish. 

 

Atul Wassan, from the past was pretty rapid. Wont say he was 150, but he sure was 142/143ish bowler with skills to exceed 145 on occassions. That was pretty quick by India standards in late 80's and early 90's