Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[speedracer]

39 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Umran can tonk few,has that ability

 

Has natural power

[SRT100]

52 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Umran can tonk few,has that ability

 

Thanks I never knew that, thats handy if he has that capacity.

[Rightarmfast]

12 hours ago, Suhaan said:

He has clocked 145-148  ,two seasons back 

Maybe these guns aren't caliberated well,speeds were down for almost every bowler

 

He might have been pitching short of a length for slow speed readings.. Could be. I watched little of the match, watched half an over of Siraj, and he looked sharper than the speed recorded. but really cant rely on eyes either, when it comes to pace.

[Need4Speed]

8 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Umran can tonk few,has that ability

 

For what its worth..Umran said in an intvw that initially he had good time as a batsman in his local teams but later he started concentrated on bowling more..

I always feel if you have confidence and mental stregth..even with average batting talent..you can still do good..natural power is added bonus..

 

 

[Need4Speed]

14 hours ago, SRT100 said:

Replace Thakur with Umran.

Thakur is not going to win us an ODI match with his batting, however Umran may win us a match with a crucial wicket or two.

I just dont know why they picked Thakur ahead of Umran..for this fkin decision I wanted Rohit to loose..

Umran is taking wkts in middle overs and penetrative..still these losers picked Thakur ahead of him..

 

if we have below bowlers..see how much penetration and wkt taking ability we have..

 

Bumrah(if he makes good comeback)+Siraj + Kuldeep + Umran 
 

Not sure where Thakur is providing extra value..as his batting is neither reliable  nor consistent..

[vishalvirsingh]

siraj is now not just a 131 to 146K fast bowler but he is an expert to bowl cross seam and has developed various type of Inswing balls . some of his clean bowled's have been on some inswing balls that went in from the 6th stump to hit the off stump. no batsman expects a ball on good length from 6th stump line to hit the third stump - that is surreal inswing, even bhuvi did not achieve inswing like that. 

 

Just that Siraj does not get that kind of Inswing on all his inswing deliveries. he got such inswing against some srilankan batsman and one clean bowled he did yesterday.

 

He is in the Prime of his Prowess and now he should be played in all India Matches as He can change the decision in India's favor.

Shammi is bowling pace but he is not getting the magical ball that he used to bowl- atleast one ball in an over used to be unplayable.

i hope Prasidh or Kuldeep Sen come back fast. Umran is improving and he has to be backed , another 10 matches and He will be fully ready.

shardul is OK but it is better if INdia spends on umran as he is the future.

 

[Need4Speed]

2 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

siraj is now not just a 131 to 146K fast bowler but he is an expert to bowl cross seam and has developed various type of Inswing balls . some of his clean bowled's have been on some inswing balls that went in from the 6th stump to hit the off stump. no batsman expects a ball on good length from 6th stump line to hit the third stump - that is surreal inswing, even bhuvi did not achieve inswing like that. 

 

Just that Siraj does not get that kind of Inswing on all his inswing deliveries. he got such inswing against some srilankan batsman and one clean bowled he did yesterday.

 

He is in the Prime of his Prowess and now he should be played in all India Matches as He can change the decision in India's favor.

Shammi is bowling pace but he is not getting the magical ball that he used to bowl- atleast one ball in an over used to be unplayable.

i hope Prasidh or Kuldeep Sen come back fast. Umran is improving and he has to be backed , another 10 matches and He will be fully ready.

shardul is OK but it is better if INdia spends on umran as he is the future.

 

Absolutely..I just hope Siraj is also working on yorkers for death bowling..

Boom’s fitness cant be trusted..so Siraj will hv to take death bowling responsibility as a senior bowler..

Also..Umran needs as much time as he can get..like you said about 10 matches..I mentioned it too…he is going to be a much improved bowler after 100 more overs..like Siraj has improved..

Rohit or maybe Pandya said..they will back guys and give proper go..and here you see them drop Umran after impressive showing..

absolute fuktards TM..

[the don]

Salman Irshad is bowling fast at the BPL.

Clocked 151 kph today. Bowling around 146-150 kph. 

[vishalvirsingh]

On 1/20/2023 at 3:04 AM, Need4Speed said:

Absolutely..I just hope Siraj is also working on yorkers for death bowling..

Boom’s fitness cant be trusted..so Siraj will hv to take death bowling responsibility as a senior bowler..

Also..Umran needs as much time as he can get..like you said about 10 matches..I mentioned it too…he is going to be a much improved bowler after 100 more overs..like Siraj has improved..

Rohit or maybe Pandya said..they will back guys and give proper go..and here you see them drop Umran after impressive showing..

absolute fuktards TM..

i am playing the Devil's advocate and would go to that extent that Bumrah is now close to retiring , he has tried to come back and got again injured and these are signs that indicate that he may have the fitness to play one match and then he may require some rest 9 of few days)...he seems to have got some serious back issues else such a long BREAK ( of around 1 year)was not required ...if he does not recover if 15 months then he will loose the Speed , genuine strength and even the fast bowling skills that he possessed. it is not easy for a genuine fast bowler not to bowl for 12 to 15 months and come and bowl at same pace when he comes back. muscles do not have the strength to take that kind of work load- long story short , He may be close to the end of his fast bowling career.

even Kaps after his leg operation was a trundler bowling 120 to 132K and He should not have been picked as he stopped genuine fast bowlers not to play for INDIA. he used to bowl 20 overs and pick 0 or 1 wicket.........

[vishalvirsingh]

On 1/19/2023 at 12:55 PM, Rightarmfast said:

He might have been pitching short of a length for slow speed readings.. Could be. I watched little of the match, watched half an over of Siraj, and he looked sharper than the speed recorded. but really cant rely on eyes either, when it comes to pace.

my take is different brother-

i do read the speed readings that they show but closely watch how fast the ball is going and how fast it is going to the keeper. post that i put my comments so YES i trust my eyes too much on the pace. even when i am batting , i trusted my eyes and how fast i felt the bowler was.

like ashwin said that KULDEEP SEN is probably the fastest bowler in India , probably He had not faced umran till then but that indicates that kuldeepmust be also bowling 150K at NETS.

i agree with you that some fastish bouncers show 137k but look faster than 144K, that indicates they are genuinely fast probably as dangerous as a 145K ball, full balls show faster reading but are easier to handle as a batsman than dangerous bouncers which are at SHOULDER height..( very dangerous balls as u can get hit or can loop an easy catch , only if you are very good , u will hit a grounded SHOT.

[vishalvirsingh]

any information about prasidh , kuldeep sen n mohsin's fitness???

[vayuu1]

13 hours ago, the don said:

Salman Irshad is bowling fast at the BPL.

Clocked 151 kph today. Bowling around 146-150 kph. 

Bum Pe Laat 

[speedracer]

13 hours ago, the don said:

Salman Irshad is bowling fast at the BPL.

Clocked 151 kph today. Bowling around 146-150 kph. 

Fodder. Cannon fodder. Halwa bowlers. Don't post such stats of 4 over bowlers. 

[speedracer]

46 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

i am playing the Devil's advocate and would go to that extent that Bumrah is now close to retiring , he has tried to come back and got again injured and these are signs that indicate that he may have the fitness to play one match and then he may require some rest 9 of few days)...he seems to have got some serious back issues else such a long BREAK ( of around 1 year)was not required ...if he does not recover if 15 months then he will loose the Speed , genuine strength and even the fast bowling skills that he possessed. it is not easy for a genuine fast bowler not to bowl for 12 to 15 months and come and bowl at same pace when he comes back. muscles do not have the strength to take that kind of work load- long story short , He may be close to the end of his fast bowling career.

even Kaps after his leg operation was a trundler bowling 120 to 132K and He should not have been picked as he stopped genuine fast bowlers not to play for INDIA. he used to bowl 20 overs and pick 0 or 1 wicket.........

I think we should forget about bumrah. Besides we don't even need bumrah. Sure he was a great bowler but he is injury prone. 

 

He also cost is wtc final after injury when he shouldn't have played. Sirah was in red hot form and wasn't picked. Biggest chewityapa decision. 

 

 

[tweaker]

Kuldeep Sen after playing one match got injured.

Almost all the fast bowlers have been tried in the last  years .It is sad that Prasidh,Sen,Mohsin,Tyagi are injured.

Even Mavi got an opportunity to make his debut.

 

Only Siraj has grabbed the spot by improving and remaining fit.Umran  has also got opportunity. 

 

 

[Need4Speed]

1 hour ago, vishalvirsingh said:

i am playing the Devil's advocate and would go to that extent that Bumrah is now close to retiring , he has tried to come back and got again injured and these are signs that indicate that he may have the fitness to play one match and then he may require some rest 9 of few days)...he seems to have got some serious back issues else such a long BREAK ( of around 1 year)was not required ...if he does not recover if 15 months then he will loose the Speed , genuine strength and even the fast bowling skills that he possessed. it is not easy for a genuine fast bowler not to bowl for 12 to 15 months and come and bowl at same pace when he comes back. muscles do not have the strength to take that kind of work load- long story short , He may be close to the end of his fast bowling career.

even Kaps after his leg operation was a trundler bowling 120 to 132K and He should not have been picked as he stopped genuine fast bowlers not to play for INDIA. he used to bowl 20 overs and pick 0 or 1 wicket.........

I too have accepted this fact..that Bumrah is no certainity..and if he keeps going and coming back like this..its goong to affect teams plans and prep…better to plan without him and let him first prove consistent fitness in domestics..

[Need4Speed]

1 hour ago, vishalvirsingh said:

any information about prasidh , kuldeep sen n mohsin's fitness???

I am only aware about Mohsin..he had some clogged arteries on left arm..had to go thru surgery..and currently on path to recovery/rehab..in all likelihood he is timing is return to action in IPL..

[Mosher]

1 hour ago, vishalvirsingh said:

any information about prasidh , kuldeep sen n mohsin's fitness???

Kuldeep is in rehab in NCA and is back to bowling in the nets. No idea about Prasidh and Mohsin.

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

i am playing the Devil's advocate and would go to that extent that Bumrah is now close to retiring , s back issues else such a long BREAK ( of around 1 year)was not required ..

 

 

Bumrah is missing for 6 months and not one year. 

 

Was playing regularly till July 2022. 

 

Bowlers have taken breaks for longer and come back stronger. 

[express bowling]

Siraj bowling much slower than usual.