Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Lone Wolf]

On 8/10/2023 at 1:06 AM, Grand_Design said:

94 mph from Gus Atkinson

England will now pick this guy for NZ T20 series 

[Need4Speed]

15 hours ago, tapandrun said:

But why Ind TM and selectors are ignoring genuine pace bowler and favouring short RA/LA nothing bowlers?

 

- Ind captains like slow sluggish brand of cricket where they have and give the illusion that they are controlling the game

- Ind TM and lacks the capabilities to develop good pace bowling attack

- General ignorance towards bowling

-Do not understand basics of fast bowling

 

Amongst top 10 teams this Ind fast bowling unit could be the slowest and least potent fast bowling attack in world cricket right now

 

coz selectors\TM children play backyard cricket with our bowlers..hence they need only slow trundlers in team..so their children can play easily..

[Vijy]

21 hours ago, tapandrun said:

But why Ind TM and selectors are ignoring genuine pace bowler and favouring short RA/LA nothing bowlers?

 

- Ind captains like slow sluggish brand of cricket where they have and give the illusion that they are controlling the game

- Ind TM and lacks the capabilities to develop good pace bowling attack

- General ignorance towards bowling

-Do not understand basics of fast bowling

 

Amongst top 10 teams this Ind fast bowling unit could be the slowest and least potent fast bowling attack in world cricket right now

 

it is probably the worst. even scotland has faster bowlers in their squad. one of them hit 150 not so long ago

[vvvslaxman]

India has to pick separate bowlers for separate formats. India unlike other countries (except England and Australia) play longer test series and more Tests. Burn outs are likely. England had Anderson/Broad/Robinson/Leach to take care of Tests. Wood is used as a strike bowler rather than someone who shares the load. For T20/ODIs they have Jordan, Curran, Rashid, Topley, Willey,Wood, Woakes. This separation is not there for India. Jaddu plays all 3 formats. Shami plays all 3 formats. Siraj plays all 3 formats. Kuldeep plays all 3 formats. Thakur plays all 3 formats. Playing all 3 formats drag your performance down.

[express bowling]

T20 series almost over but Umran has not got a game yet.

 

Just 3 bad overs in the 2nd ODI and the TM have decided that he is not good enough. 

[the don]

Naseem Shah -149 kph with the new ball.

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

India has to pick separate bowlers for separate formats. India unlike other countries (except England and Australia) play longer test series and more Tests. Burn outs are likely. England had Anderson/Broad/Robinson/Leach to take care of Tests. Wood is used as a strike bowler rather than someone who shares the load. For T20/ODIs they have Jordan, Curran, Rashid, Topley, Willey,Wood, Woakes. This separation is not there for India. Jaddu plays all 3 formats. Shami plays all 3 formats. Siraj plays all 3 formats. Kuldeep plays all 3 formats. Thakur plays all 3 formats. Playing all 3 formats drag your performance down.

Have been saying it, we need to imply 2 format limit on players.

That will also widen the pool and in case of multiple injuries we will always have options.

 

For example spinners

Kuldeep should play only Tests and ODI

Bishnoi for ODI and T20

Jadeja only Tests, Axar only ODI's, Washy T20 and ODI, Ashwin only Tests, Chahal only T20's.

 

In pace allrounders, we can play Pandya in only T20's..Bawa for Tests & ODI, Hangargekar in T20 and ODI, Harshit in Tests and ODI.

 

 

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, singhvivek141 said:

Have been saying it, we need to imply 2 format limit on players.

That will also widen the pool and in case of multiple injuries we will always have options.

 

For example spinners

Kuldeep should play only Tests and ODI

Bishnoi for ODI and T20

Jadeja only Tests, Axar only ODI's, Washy T20 and ODI, Ashwin only Tests, Chahal only T20's.

 

In pace allrounders, we can play Pandya in only T20's..Bawa for Tests & ODI, Hangargekar in T20 and ODI, Harshit in Tests and ODI.

 

 

no need for Pandu. next gen are better at one of either batting or bowling than him

[AKane]

OT - new Australian left arm pace bowler - Spencer Johnson ....new  Aussie Arshdeep? 3-1 in debut.

 

https://wisden.com/stories/global-t20-leagues/the-hundred-2023/watch-three-wickets-one-run-spencer-johnson-record-breaking-spell-hundred-debut

 

Looks okay as a comparison with Arshdeep.

Edited August 13, 2023 by AKane

[wazza]

14 hours ago, AKane said:

OT - new Australian left arm pace bowler - Spencer Johnson ....new  Aussie Arshdeep? 3-1 in debut.

 

https://wisden.com/stories/global-t20-leagues/the-hundred-2023/watch-three-wickets-one-run-spencer-johnson-record-breaking-spell-hundred-debut

 

Looks okay as a comparison with Arshdeep.

Speed? Height? 

[AKane]

6 hours ago, wazza said:

Speed? Height? 

You can see him in the twitter part of the story. Not a trundler but not express - looks like good height.

 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1689379398187941891

 

[the don]

5 minutes ago, AKane said:

You can see him in the twitter part of the story. Not a trundler but not express - looks like good height.

 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1689379398187941891

 

He was clocking 150 kph .

[wazza]

28 minutes ago, the don said:

He was clocking 150 kph .

Kid looks quality. Good talent.

He reminds me of the English guy. Tall fella. Leftie who swings with good pace. Ran through india one game as well.

[express bowling]

Hardik clocked 147 kph today with a quick short ball which induced a top edge.

 

And lots of 143 k balls.

[express bowling]

Mukesh Kumar in T20Is

 

5 matches

3 wickets

Average 37.7

Eco  9.4

 

Umran Malik in T20Is

 

8 matches 

11 wickets

Average 22.1

Eco  10.5

 

 

Mukesh gets to play all 5 games but Umran does not get a single game. 

[Vijy]

36 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Hardik clocked 147 kph today with a quick short ball which induced a top edge.

 

And lots of 143 k balls.

he's still a brainless dud, but seeing that pace is good. needs to up his peak pace to 150, and his brain power by at least 10-100 times

[Vijy]

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Mukesh Kumar in T20Is

 

5 matches

3 wickets

Average 37.7

Eco  9.4

 

Umran Malik in T20Is

 

8 matches 

11 wickets

Average 22.1

Eco  10.5

 

 

Mukesh gets to play all 5 games but Umran does not get a single game. 

but can Umran coom as much as Mukesh coomer?

[Suhaan]

6 hours ago, Vijy said:

he's still a brainless dud, but seeing that pace is good. needs to up his peak pace to 150, and his brain power by at least 10-100 times

As a bowler he isn't bad,but given his batting exploits recently his overall utility has been far less

[Suhaan]

7 hours ago, express bowling said:

Mukesh Kumar in T20Is

 

5 matches

3 wickets

Average 37.7

Eco  9.4

 

Umran Malik in T20Is

 

8 matches 

11 wickets

Average 22.1

Eco  10.5

 

 

Mukesh gets to play all 5 games but Umran does not get a single game. 

Only in a historically cuck cricket side that is a norm

We are back to the pre 2000s,getting sissier with each passing day in each facet of the game

Edited August 14, 2023 by Suhaan

[Vijy]

14 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

As a bowler he isn't bad,but given his batting exploits recently his overall utility has been far less

he is rather bad. he has pace, but only moderate control and even less ability about how to use it. and the less said about his batting nowadays the better