Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[express bowling]

Ashok Sharma 

 

3 fer Vs Karnataka 

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DRuQ_59Cejr/

[Nikhil_cric]

16 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

If one wants to be a top pacer in international cricket then it's important that he does not choose " either / or ".

 

Wayward pace won't work in the long run and neither would cutting pace for accuracy. 

 

Tight lines are very important but if it is achieved by bowling much slower then it is a bad habit being developed. 

Point is, it's a line issue with Prasidh , specifically in this format. 

 

For Indian bowlers with 25 + wickets, only Shami has a better strike rate.  

 

But only Shardul and Sreesanth have worse economy rates.

 

 

[Vk1]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

Ashok Sharma 

 

3 fer Vs Karnataka 

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DRuQ_59Cejr/

Good field placements. Yday Bavuma didn't keep deep midwicket and deep cover for Kohli of all. Mind boggling 

Edited December 7, 2025 by Vk1

[express bowling]

Arshad Khan. 6 wicket haul in SMAT

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DR9SgORDI4I/

[tweaker]

Does our selection committee know about this performance. 

[Suhaan]

16 minutes ago, tweaker said:

Does our selection committee know about this performance. 

No, only IPL performance matter for tests,t20s and Odis

SMAT is for IPL scouts not national team selectors

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Point is, it's a line issue with Prasidh , specifically in this format. 

 

For Indian bowlers with 25 + wickets, only Shami has a better strike rate.  

 

But only Shardul and Sreesanth have worse economy rates.

 

 

And my point is .... either cutting down on pace to bowl better lines, like Harshit  OR spraying the ball while maintaining pace, like Prasidh ... should not be acceptable at international level.

 

They should learn from Bumrah snd Shami. Both have maintained pace ( just 1 kph / 2 kph loss every 5 years )  for 10 and 11 years while improving accuracy. 

 

Harshit and Prasidh are not able to achieve this, even early in their careers, because their bodies are not used to playing FCC regularly. So they have to compromise on this or that. While Bumrah played 25 and Shami 27 FC matches before test debut.

 

Gurnoor Brar has now played 18 FC games, and after a few more, he maybe able to bowl with accuracy at pace. What he lacks is List A and T20 games under his belt. Must play more.

 

Ashok Sharma and Eden Apple Tom are playing FC games this season and Ashok is playing T20s too.  He maybe able to achieve both if he is able to maintain fitness. Eden is not playing white ball cricket.

 

If a fast bowler's body is not used to bowling fast throughout the day, he will end up compromising on either pace or accuracy.

[Nikhil_cric]

16 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

And my point is .... either cutting down on pace to bowl better lines, like Harshit  OR spraying the ball while maintaining pace, like Prasidh ... should not be acceptable at international level.

 

They should learn from Bumrah snd Shami. Both have maintained pace ( just 1 kph / 2 kph loss every 5 years )  for 10 and 11 years while improving accuracy. 

 

Harshit and Prasidh are not able to achieve this, even early in their careers, because their bodies are not used to playing FCC regularly. So they have to compromise on this or that. While Bumrah played 25 and Shami 27 FC matches before test debut.

 

Gurnoor Brar has now played 18 FC games, and after a few more, he maybe able to bowl with accuracy at pace. What he lacks is List A and T20 games under his belt. Must play more.

 

Ashok Sharma and Eden Apple Tom are playing FC games this season and Ashok is playing T20s too.  He maybe able to achieve both if he is able to maintain fitness. Eden is not playing white ball cricket.

 

If a fast bowler's body is not used to bowling fast throughout the day, he will end up compromising on either pace or accuracy.

Shami was not accurate until much later in his career. Took him nearly a decade. 

 

I did not say anything about cutting down pace.

 

There is no evidence that any of our bowlers are consciously cutting down on pace, anyway. 

 

 

[tapandrun]

19 hours ago, express bowling said:

Rajan Kunar, 29 year old tall left arm quick from Uttarakhand, was very impressive vs Rajasthan with a 4 wicket haul. 

 

Looks lively paced, tall and has a good seam position. Good yorker too. Lower order hitter.  Where was he hiding all this time ?

He is been around for some time, think he was with Rcb for a season or two. He may be sub 140 kmph in t20 but is tall.

Think he had knee surgery or something 

 

As mentioned only this season looks like there is a directives from the top to play tall fast bowlers. Hence you are seeing alot of bowlers who were in clod-storages frm various teams are making a comeback this season and getting games.

 

 

Edited December 7, 2025 by tapandrun

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Shami was not accurate until much later in his career. Took him nearly a decade. 

 

I did not say anything about cutting down pace.

 

There is no evidence that any of our bowlers are consciously cutting down on pace, anyway. 

 

 

Shami ?

He was accurate...I think only in his earlier career (< 1 year) he was "inaccurate"...but he improved in ODIs quickly.

 

What he didnt had was stamina...and the reason is cause he used to run with long strides, which used to had an impact on his fitness. Post 2015 ODI WC injury, he transformed his runup and started running with smaller strides...and maintained his stamina.

From 2016-2021 he had pace, stamina and fitness to bowl long spells....he is losing some fitness due to growing age...and that might lead to some spraying here and there.

[tapandrun]

On 12/6/2025 at 6:22 AM, MK55 said:

Starc bowling 145 clicks in his 11th and Brett Lee and the other Aus commentators are constantly talking about his pace.  Love this. 

Aus/Pak commentators talks about pace alot hence they produce fast bowlers,  they understand the importance of pace.

 

Skills can be learnt through-out the career but pace can not, with new tch. knowledge bowlers can add few yards but injury hampers it as bowlers have to learn new action and bee mindful of what they are doing rather concentrate on bowling.

 

 

 

[express bowling]

Ashok Sharma with the red ball

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DK0pWD6BPPS/?hl=en

[Nikhil_cric]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

Shami ?

He was accurate...I think only in his earlier career (< 1 year) he was "inaccurate"...but he improved in ODIs quickly.

 

What he didnt had was stamina...and the reason is cause he used to run with long strides, which used to had an impact on his fitness. Post 2015 ODI WC injury, he transformed his runup and started running with smaller strides...and maintained his stamina.

From 2016-2021 he had pace, stamina and fitness to bowl long spells....he is losing some fitness due to growing age...and that might lead to some spraying here and there.

 

It's difficult to say that about Shami because he barely played ODIs in between World Cups after 2015.

 

The line accuracy with which he bowled in 2023 IPL and in 2023 World Cup was absolutely elite.

 

I don't think he was that accurate at any time previously in his career. 

 

 

[tapandrun]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

Arshad Khan. 6 wicket haul in SMAT

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DR9SgORDI4I/

Have posted about him, he is another one who has not been tried in T20is, along with yudhvir, he can bat and tonk few 4/6s at #8/9 .

Bowls at lively pace high 130s and breaches 140s often reaching up t0 144-145 on effort ball. LH bowler and LH batter.

 

 

 

 

[Lord]

On 11/30/2025 at 11:36 AM, raki05 said:

I always despise bowlers who inspite of having ability bowl slower ones and they just bowl it like their stock ball. Mavi was another one, these fraud bowl faster one only till they got selected and then resort to trundling.

 

Kartik Tyagi with a 3fer. Anyone knows if speeds are same?

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/syed-mushtaq-ali-trophy-2025-26-1492382/maharashtra-vs-uttar-pradesh-elite-group-b-1492626/full-scorecard

 

Bhuvi bhaiya with a tailender wicket

Edited December 7, 2025 by Lord

[tapandrun]

On 11/23/2025 at 6:05 AM, MK55 said:

I think it starts by just giving them the damn chances. And the captain must show faith. 
Thats majority of the work is done right there.

Also the ceiling needs to be higher. You encourage high potential bowlers, most results follow. Mindset needs to be changed. There was a transient short term phase when that exactly was happening and we saw the results.
 

Also, the problem is that the talent in the existing bowlers is lacking - be it temperament or just raw talent. Bumrah is fine. Siraj is highly up n down. The other bowlers are either not given chances or the wrong ones to begin with.

 

 

Think the root cause of the issue started with like-for-like replacements, it was always a down grade process to pick a selection.

Can nt have adidas you get  abibas kind of thing.

 

If bhuvi is not playing get in D.chahar which is a doen grade, same went for batting too...like for like is good for 1-2 match incase you have injury in big tournament and you donot want to disturb the balance of the team for 1 change , but Ind created a bench of downgrades who would never graduate to next level because there was no plan for them to grautuade , Ind's batting and bowling is suffering because of that reason only.

 

No high potential batter or bowlers were ever selected and they kept on winning meaningless bileteral series. Other low potential bowlers were also selected just for garbage games or games where these big stars wanted to rest.

 

There was no plan to induct high potential and proper Ind full strength material, it just that now that these super stars have retired and ppl are seeing the out come of the downgrade process.

 

Ind does not have a bowler after Siraj and Bhumrah, does not seem to have a test batter. Ind is opening with a batter whose Avg is 36, middle order is comprising of batters who are not even top batters for their domestic side --- Sai/reddy/sundar.

 

In bowling those like for like has vanished like they never existed, The only equal like for like player who is able to crack into full strength Ind side is axar. and even till last t20i wc he was not able to make it Ind full strength side.

 

Bowlers like Avesh, mukesh, sikaria, D.chahar,   

 

 

 

[tapandrun]

17 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

I was looking for the same thing bro.

 

All of Ashok's 4 wickets were off quick stump directed balls this time.

 

If he can combine quick stump directed balls with nasty bumpers, he will be a handful.

 

Want to see how his channel balls are.

 

 

Pointed this about him, he is v.similar to what Mayank bowled in those 2 IPL games. well directed bouncers and yorker.

Does not bowl many bad balls atleast for the Smat level batters. Intnl. batters are different. They only get bothered by pace if some1 bowls at mayank's pace (mid 150s) with high accuracy.

 

Think Ashok is fastest bowler in domestic right now. Umran is just returning back and Tyagi doing Tyagi things and Mayank being injured.

[tapandrun]

9 hours ago, Suhaan said:

No, only IPL performance matter for tests,t20s and Odis

SMAT is for IPL scouts not national team selectors

Its okay if they select t20i players from IPL but not for tests.

Having batting plan for 15 balls and bowling plan for 24 overs can not match the toil of tests

[MK55]

6 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Aus/Pak commentators talks about pace alot hence they produce fast bowlers,  they understand the importance of pace.

 

Skills can be learnt through-out the career but pace can not, with new tch. knowledge bowlers can add few yards but injury hampers it as bowlers have to learn new action and bee mindful of what they are doing rather concentrate on bowling.

 

 

 

Most countries do. New Zealand, England, SA, WI except Indian commentators. Some do once in a while but it’s volatile. They are ready to pounce and quick to blame pace the moment they go for runs. They have this weird complex. 

[tapandrun]

12 minutes ago, MK55 said:

Most countries do. New Zealand, England, SA, WI except Indian commentators. Some do once in a while but it’s volatile. They are ready to pounce and quick to blame pace the moment they go for runs. They have this weird complex. 

Can not watch Ind domestic cricket without keeping the matches on mute, there are these 5-8 same commentators who do all the matches be in Domestic t20 leagues or bcci events like ranji,vh,smat. As soon as some bowlers tried to put in some effort they go after him, any faster bowler is bashed . even if they induced an endge/false shot they are discouraged.

 

This is what you hear during commentoty no sure what they be telling thse faster bowlers in person (.... try spin....).

Thats the reason you can not pick a stop gap bowler from Ind domestic , like these seasoned bowled do not have pace , those who had pace already got bashed and discarded due to this nature of commentators.

Edited December 8, 2025 by tapandrun