Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Vijy]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

 

Ironically, in the mid 1980s, Chetan used to be sharp with a whippy action. Tried to bowl as fast as he could with effort. 

 

But people change when they grow older.

 

 

for his frame, he was quite sharp. but on visual evidence he did not look like > 135 kmph. of course, even 130-135 would have been considered fast given the lack of bowling resources

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, Vijy said:

I wonder if this is because, as you have written, our pacers are somewhat down in pace at the moment. this strategy works better if one has extra pace and/or bounce. this is where the likes of prasidh could have come in.

 

 

I am seeing this general trend in all countries in the 2010s and 2020s. 

[Suhaan]

1 minute ago, Vijy said:

I wonder if this is because, as you have written, our pacers are somewhat down in pace at the moment. this strategy works better if one has extra pace and/or bounce. this is where the likes of prasidh could have come in.

Siraj can too bowl at high 140s but only in rythm,he looks jaded , fatigued

That's where rythm goes out of window

He needs time to refresh,or too much shagging in covid times might be a case of early fatigue

[Vijy]

Just now, MultiB48 said:

Very difficult to perform in averse conditions ,better to out bat the opposition and use scoreboard pressure in batting friendly conditions and outbowl them in bowling friendly ones. Anything extra is a bonus.

scoreboard pressure is indeed the best approach. however, with this batting, it is not easy to achieve

[Vijy]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

 

I am seeing this general trend in all countries in the 2010s and 2020s. 

yes, that is quite true. hard to find short and fast-medium pacers these days who have succeeded in most places.

[Vijy]

Just now, Suhaan said:

Siraj can too bowl at high 140s but only in rythm,he looks jaded , fatigued

That's where rythm goes out of window

He needs time to refresh,or too much shagging in covid times might be a case of early fatigue

ROFL.

[Lord]

One thing I have noticed that Eng fielders maintain the ball better than us.

 

Its an abrasive surface so reverse might come into play

[express bowling]

4 minutes ago, Vijy said:

scoreboard pressure is indeed the best approach. however, with this batting, it is not easy to achieve

 

Why ?  Our batsmen almost always succeed in putting scoreboard pressure on our bowlers. 

[Vijy]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

Why ?  Our batsmen almost always succeed in putting scoreboard pressure on our bowlers. 

Haha... that much is true. and the way some of them are batting (e.g., lord shardul) they should exert some batting pressure on the batters.

[Mosher]

8 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Siraj can too bowl at high 140s but only in rythm,he looks jaded , fatigued

That's where rythm goes out of window

He needs time to refresh,or too much shagging in covid times might be a case of early fatigue

Guru Kirsten's advice works only with Shami. For others there are side effects. 

 

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/indias-cricketers-urged-to-have-sex-20090924-gdtqi1.html

[Mosher]

8 hours ago, Vijy said:

Chill out, express-bhai. Unadcutter has your back - he will enforce the fear of God into the batsmen through his 100 km per hour cutters.

 

8 hours ago, Suhaan said:

He is goddam speed demon if you compress the pitch by 90%

The speed demon is back with a changed bowling action. Read it on Cricinfo. Pace like 

[rkt.india]

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

Siraj is a pacer who has looked really good when the pitch has provided some assistance. Like Melbourne, Gabba, Ahmedabad 4th test and Lord's.

 

But he has looked unimpressive on pitches which don't provide that much help. Probably lacks the extra pace for such surfaces.

 

Early days but if this trend continues then we should probably use him mostly on helpful surfaces where he is a match winner ... and rest him on flatter surfaces. 

 

 

 

Who has looked good on flat surface? Even Bumrah looked ordinary.

[express bowling]

10 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Who has looked good on flat surface? Even Bumrah looked ordinary.

 

 

Bumrah has bowled well on flat surfaces many times in the past. 

 

Moreover, Bumrah, even yesterday, was going at 1.9 runs an over while Siraj was going at 4 rpo. Happened in the last test too.

Edited September 6, 2021 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

14 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Bumrah has bowled well on flat surfaces many times in the past. 

 

Moreover, Bumrah, even yesterday, was going at 1.9 runs an over while Siraj was going at 4 rpo. Happened in the last test too.

Bumrah bowled defensively while Siraj was trying to take wickets. There was an edge through slip for four too. Siraj was attacking the stumps and conceded some runs but also created chances. Bowled better than Bumrah in fact.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Bumrah bowled defensively while Siraj was trying to take wickets. There was an edge through slip for four too. Siraj was attacking the stumps and conceded some runs but also created chances. Bowled better than Bumrah in fact.

 

Yesterday Bumrah was trying to bowl channel balls with bounce and get the outside edge. He got his line wrong, which is why he did not get wickets.

 

Generally speaking, in their test careers, Shami and Bumrah have bowled better on flatter tracks compared to our other pacers. 

 

 

Edited September 6, 2021 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

49 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Yesterday Bumrah was trying to bowl channel balls with bounce and get the outside edge. He got his line wrong, which is why he did not get wickets.

 

Generally speaking, in their test careers, Shami and Bumrah have bowled better on flatter tracks compared to our other pacers. 

 

 

Bumrah hasn't bowled on flat tracks yet. Most of his tests have been on good overseas pitches.

 

Today, Bumrah and Siraj need to bowl in tandem. Bumrah bowling in the channel while Siraj attacking the stumps from the other end. Won't be easy for batsmen to adjust.  Need to create a mismatch from both ends.

 

 

Edited September 6, 2021 by rkt.india

[express bowling]

42 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Bumrah hasn't bowled on flat tracks yet. Most of his tests have been on good overseas pitches.

 

 

 

Chennai 2021, Oval 2021 1st innings, Sydney 2020, Sydney 2019, Oval 2018 and even Centurion 2018 to a large extent have been flat.

Edited September 6, 2021 by express bowling

[Jay]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Yesterday Bumrah was trying to bowl channel balls with bounce and get the outside edge. He got his line wrong, which is why he did not get wickets.

 

Generally speaking, in their test careers, Shami and Bumrah have bowled better on flatter tracks compared to our other pacers. 

 

 

Yep. 

[Mosher]

No movement in the air or off the pitch for the bowlers. Bumrah and Umesh need to try some bouncers.

[Mosher]

Lord Shardul gets Burns with a peach!