GrandMasterSaxy Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 May be i am wrong. Isn't it the prerogative of the state? Do central government have control over state legislations? I know in united states they don't except some national security measures.. some states have their unique law . Polygamy accepted in Utah. They have different laws about marihuana in different states. Also Gun laws vary from state to state. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state Ruling party in Maharashtra is BJP, hence the ban.
vvvslaxman Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Ruling party in Maharashtra is BJP' date=' hence the ban.[/quote'] If there is nationwide ban on beef you could blame Modi or his own state :hmmm: Yes there are some elements who act as if they have free hand. But they could have done the same regardless of who is at the center right? Technically i mean. What is the advantage of imposing the ban when Modi is in power?
Texan Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Ruling party in Maharashtra is BJP' date=' hence the ban.[/quote'] Was Modi sitting in Maharashtra legislative assembly in 1976 when cow slaughter was banned?
GrandMasterSaxy Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 We are not discussing cow slaughtering, it's about beef being banned in Maharashtra Was Modi sitting in Maharashtra legislative assembly in 1976 when cow slaughter was banned?
Vilander Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 I am a Hindu. Cow is a tasty animal for many, i dont eat beef or mutton as the scent is too heavy for me, but why ban some food item ? its food for many.
Texan Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 We are not discussing cow slaughtering' date=' it's about beef being banned in Maharashtra[/quote'] And who told you that beef is banned? You can still eat beef legally (buffalo meat) in Maharashtra.
Vilander Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 I think this was discussed before. UCC is the way to go. ofcourse the far right Hindus and Muslims will oppose it and so would the Kashmiris.. India deserves a dictator.
GrandMasterSaxy Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 If there is nationwide ban on beef you could blame Modi or his own state :hmmm: Yes there are some elements who act as if they have free hand. But they could have done the same regardless of who is at the center right? Technically i mean. What is the advantage of imposing the ban when Modi is in power? Why the ban is imposed only when BJP is in power ?
GrandMasterSaxy Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 And who told you that beef is banned? You can still eat beef legally (buffalo meat) in Maharashtra. Last week, the western Indian state of Maharashtra banned beef consumption. The state government has barred possession or sales of the meat. Hindu groups welcomed the ban. But many Muslims in western India have criticized it. They say it will make tens of thousands of people jobless. Hindus consider cows holy. The animals are already protected in India. But, the new law extends the ban to slaughtering bulls, bullocks, and calves. The ban took effect on March 5. On that day, many slaughter houses in Maharashtra suddenly closed. Beef disappeared from the menus of restaurants, including those in the state capital, Mumbai. Under the new law, having or selling beef could lead to fines or prison terms of up to five years. The Bharatiya Janata Party passed the law. The BJP won control of the state government last year. The party attempted to ban beef 20 years ago when it was also in power. But the ban was never passed because the BJP lost power soon after. Mohammad Ali Qureshi is president of the Mumbai Suburban Beef Dealers Association. He said the ban will have a bad effect on tens of thousands of butchers, beef retailers, and others involved in the trade. He said many of those affected are among the poorest people in the area. They have little or no education, and cannot easily get other jobs. He said people have become jobless without notice. Beef consumption in India is limited to non-Hindus. But the country has become the world’s second-biggest exporter of beef. Most of the meat comes from buffaloes. Hindu groups do not like that India is a major exporter of beef. They say many cows are being illegally killed. Muslims control most of the beef trade. Banning beef has become a major issue between India’s Hindus and Muslims. Venkatesh Abdev is with the World Hindu Council. He says his group will fight for a nationwide ban on beef consumption. Mr. Abdev agrees that the ban will affect people working in the beef trade. But he says it is a price to be paid. He notes the killing of cows is a very emotional issue for Hindus. Mohammad Shahid Sheikh is president of a beef transporters group in Deonar, where one can find India’s biggest slaughterhouse. He says more and more trucks with cattle are being attacked. The attacks are blamed on Hindu activists. Mr. Sheikh says those in the beef trade tell protesters that they are following all of the rules. But the protesters say they will do everything they can to prevent the animals from being killed. The beef ban also became a top trend on Twitter last week. Some Twitter users supported the move, but thousands criticized the ban. Some users compared the progress made on protecting cows to the lack of progress on safety for women. http://learningenglish.voanews.com/content/maharastra-beef-ban-hindus-muslim-meat/2679264.html
GrandMasterSaxy Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 I am a Hindu. Cow is a tasty animal for many' date=' i dont eat beef or mutton as the scent is too heavy for me, but why ban some food item ? its food for many.[/quote'] neither do I eat beef/mutton. I live in a democratic country and would not like anyone stopping me from eating (whatever I want)
Yoda-esque Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 And who told you that beef is banned? You can still eat beef legally (buffalo meat) in Maharashtra. Correct me if I am wrong, but wasnt beef (cow meat) already banned . I think current MH govt has brought in an amendment to now prohibits bullock meat as well. Buffalo meat can still be consumed.
randomGuy Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Support the ban but not the selectivity or the reasons (religious).
vvvslaxman Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Why the ban is imposed only when BJP is in power ? BJP was in power before as well under Vajpayee .
GrandMasterSaxy Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 BJP was in power before as well under Vajpayee . exactly - that's why I clearly specified - "MODI SARKAR"
zen Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 Secularism is probably defined differently in India so there would be no point in trying to read out the dictionary meaning of that word. So what does secularism mean in India? First, it could mean allowing the Muslim citizens to practise their religious laws while citizens practising other religions follow the uniform civil code. Is this justified? In a sense it is. Because you are allowing a particular group to feel comfortable, at times even at the disagreement of other groups. Many of us, irrespective of our religious faith, feel good when Muslims are given subsidies to go to Haj. Muslim women wearing Hijab is another example for such tolerance shown in India. Second, take Sikhs for example. While men from other groups may be asked to shave/cut their hair, no one asks a Sikh to do that. The Sikh beliefs are respected by everyone no matter what religion he/she belongs to. Forcing a Sikh to cut his hair can make everyone (irrespective of his religious beliefs) upset. Similarly, a large portion of Ind's population consider cows as holy. And therefore, beef is banned. This move should be respected by all in the spirit of Indian Secularism. In India, Secularism is about giving different group the comfort and freedom to practise their beliefs in a way that is supported by everyone. In that spirit, banning beef because a large section of Ind's population see cows as holy can be justified. Let's not go by what dictionary says about secularism as in India's context that may be off the mark.
vvvslaxman Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 exactly - that's why I clearly specified - "MODI SARKAR" It still doesn't add up as there are other states where BJPs rule but they don't impose this ban . Yes Modi is an RSS backed candidate. But i am not 100% convinced he is behind the ban.
surajmal Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 I would ban being sickular. Or have all the bans affect only sickos.
ravishingravi Posted March 17, 2015 Author Posted March 17, 2015 Secularism is probably defined differently in India so there would be no point in trying to read out the dictionary meaning of that word. So what does secularism mean in India? First, it could mean allowing the Muslim citizens to practise their religious laws while citizens practising other religions follow the uniform civil code. Is this justified? In a sense it is. Because you are allowing a particular group to feel comfortable, at times even at the disagreement of other groups. Many of us, irrespective of our religious faith, feel good when Muslims are given subsidies to go to Haj. Muslim women wearing Hijab is another example for such tolerance shown in India. Second, take Sikhs for example. While men from other groups may be asked to shave/cut their hair, no one asks a Sikh to do that. The Sikh beliefs are respected by everyone no matter what religion he/she belongs to. Forcing a Sikh to cut his hair can make everyone (irrespective of his religious beliefs) upset. Similarly, a large portion of Ind's population consider cows as holy. And therefore, beef is banned. This move should be respected by all in the spirit of Indian Secularism. In India, Secularism is about giving different group the comfort and freedom to practise their beliefs in a way that is supported by everyone. In that spirit, banning beef because a large section of Ind's population see cows as holy can be justified. Let's not go by what dictionary says about secularism as in India's context that may be off the mark. Spot on
coffee_rules Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 Correct me if I am wrong, but wasnt beef (cow meat) already banned . I think current MH govt has brought in an amendment to now prohibits bullock meat as well. Buffalo meat can still be consumed. What did Yamraj's vaahan do any sin? #supportAllBeefBan
Desi Cartman Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 What did Yamraj's vaahan do any sin? #supportAllBeefBan Aren't Buffaloes responsible for helping yamraj? Yamraj by definition is responsible for taking soul out of people. I think we should all eat Buffaloes for this crime :finger:
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