Ranvir Posted May 4, 2015 Posted May 4, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-32579396 Yet another attack by extremists in the west. Attacks such as these ruin the reputation of every brown skinned person, no matter what their religion or background. Why don't they just protest? Bloody lunatics.
Raghav_12 Posted May 4, 2015 Posted May 4, 2015 Of course killing is wrong and US fiorces rightfully killed both the gunmen. However questions can be raised should such an event have been allowed which whole objective seems just to insult a particular group/religion. I am not defending Islamist violence as they have resorted to violence on far less trvial matters so saying they took up violence because of highly provocative nature of event will not be right. But one has to agree that whole event was highly provocative with sole purpose of insult and shouldn't have been allowed. Read following link on the organizer of this event. She is not allowed to travel to UK. Pamela Geller, the incendiary organizer of Texas ‘prophet Muhammad cartoon contest’ http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/05/04/why-a-woman-named-pamela-geller-organized-a-prophet-muhammad-cartoon-contest/ For those who unfamiliar with Pamela Geller, she was in the news a few weeks ago for sponsoring an ad campaign across major U.S. cities with anti-Muslim posters saying, among other things, “Killing Jews is Worship that draws us close to Allah.” On Sunday, she was in the news again for sponsoring a “Jihad Watch Muhammad Art Exhibit and Cartoon Contest” in Garland, Tex., some 20 miles from Dallas, after which two men opened fire on a security guard before being shot and killed by police. Authorities did not immediately link the exhibit and the shootings, but Geller did, with vehemence. [Gunmen shot dead in Texas after opening fire outside prophet Muhammad cartoon show] But Geller had drawn national attention long before these events. In 2009, she became a leader of the movement against a mosque in Manhattan. She told the New York Times she believes the only “moderate Muslim is a secular Muslim” and that when Muslims “pray five times a day … they’re cursing Christians and Jews five times a day.” The wealthy housewife-turned-blogger has become one of America’s loudest voices against what she sees as the creeping “Islamization” of America. She is president of the American Freedom Defense Initiative as well as Stop Islamization of America. Gunmen dead after attack at cartoon contest(1:25) Two gunmen in Garland, Tex., attacked a contest for cartoons depicting the Muslim prophet Muhammad on Sunday. Garland police officers returned fire and killed both gunmen. (AP) Islamization, she has said, is not something that will happen overnight. “It’s a drip, drip, drip, drip,” she told the New York Times in 2010 as she waged war against the so-called ground zero mosque. “The mosque-ing of the workplace where you’re imposing prayer times on union contracts, non-Muslim workers have to lengthen their day. … These demands are a way of imposing Islam on a secular society.” Such wild rhetoric prompted the Southern Poverty Law Center to add her group to its list of “hate groups” leaders, calling her the “anti-Muslim movement’s most visible and flamboyant figurehead.” ” She’s relentlessly shrill and coarse in her broad-brush denunciations of Islam and makes preposterous claims,” the center said. “They say I’m a racist, Islamophobic, anti-Muslim bigot,” she told the Village Voice in 2012.”I’m anti-jihad. … I don’t see how anyone could say I’m anti-Muslim. I love Muslims.” Geller portrays herself as emerging straight from Ground Zero. When terror struck, she has said, it did something to her. She started a blog. She posed in a bikini to rant about Islam. She advanced conspiracy theories about President Obama — he was the “love child” of Malcolm X, he was once involved with a “crack *****” and, as a child, he was a Muslim and he never renounced Islam. But as the mosque controversy receded in memory, so did Pamela Geller. Then in January came the assault by Muslim gunmen on Charlie Hebdo, the French satirical newspaper, which claimed a dozen lives. Geller was back in the public eye. In response, she decided to organize Sunday’s “Muhammad Art Exhibit & Contest,” which would award a $10,000 prize to the “winning cartoon” depicting the prophet Muhammad. “We decided to have a cartoon contest to show we would not kowtow to violent intimidation and allow the freedom of speech to be overwhelmed by thugs and bullies,” she told The Washington Post in an e-mail. Many in Garland objected to the event. Some, including Muslims, said it was blasphemous. Others cited “public safety” concerns. The Council on American-Islamic Relations, however, decided to play it down. “We are not paying any attention to this at all,” Ibrahim Hooper, CAIR spokesman, told the Dallas Morning News. “The thing [Geller] hates most is being ignored.” But Geller knew what she was getting into and would not be ignored. “I expected that people would come to realize how severely the freedom of speech is threatened today, and how much it needs to be defended,” she told The Post. “We were prepared for violence.” Indeed, her group’s Web site said “we know the risks” and that the “exhibit has to be staged.” “If we don’t show the jihadists that they will not frighten us into silence,” the site said, “the jihad against freedom will only grow more virulent.” As Sunday’s show was coming to an end, two gunmen rolled up in a car and shot an unarmed security guard, police said. Two local police officers fired back. The incident left both gunmen dead, their bodies lying in the street for hours. The security officer was transported to a local hospital, treated and later released. Although police said throughout the night that they did not know whether the shooting was related to cartoon contest, Geller immediately announced that it was, calling it part of the “war on free speech.” “The Islamic jihadis are determined to suppress our freedom of speech violently,” she told The Post. “They struck in Paris and Copenhagen recently, and now in Texas. This incident shows how much needed our event really was. The freedom of speech is under violent assault here in our nation. The question now before is — will we stand and defend it, or bow to violence, thuggery, and savagery?” For Geller, it was her own Charlie Hebdo moment.
Malcolm Merlyn Posted May 4, 2015 Posted May 4, 2015 Of course killing is wrong and US fiorces rightfully killed both the gunmen. However questions can be raised should such an event have been allowed which whole objective seems just to insult a particular group/religion. I am not defending Islamist violence as they have resorted to violence on far less trvial matters so saying they took up violence because of highly provocative nature of event will not be right. But one has to agree that whole event was highly provocative with sole purpose of insult and shouldn't have been allowed. Read following link on the organizer of this event. She is not allowed to travel to UK. Pamela Geller, the incendiary organizer of Texas ‘prophet Muhammad cartoon contest’ http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/05/04/why-a-woman-named-pamela-geller-organized-a-prophet-muhammad-cartoon-contest/ You are exactly defending violence as a means of protest by Islamic terrorists.First of all the organiser didnt violate US laws.and if she insulted Islam,she should have been sued to bankruptcy by muslims.But no lets go to USA earn money live freely enjoy their rights and society and then fire bullets and kill people because we dont agree with something.All most every one of these terrorists are immigrants who went to the west to get a better life why not stay back in your own country.
Ranvir Posted May 4, 2015 Author Posted May 4, 2015 Yes I agree provoking the muslims is wrong but resorting to going on a shooting spree is insane.
Raghav_12 Posted May 4, 2015 Posted May 4, 2015 You are exactly defending violence as a means of protest by Islamic terrorists.First of all the organiser didnt violate US laws.and if she insulted Islam' date='she should have been sued to bankruptcy by muslims.But no lets go to USA earn money live freely enjoy their rights and society and then fire bullets and kill people because we dont agree with something.All most every one of these terrorists are immigrants who went to the west to get a better life why not stay back in your own country.[/quote'] It doesn't surprise me that you accuse me of supporting islamist violence considering our respective political leanings and discussions we had. Just because I believe that whole event was highly provocative doesn't mean I support violence. For any person it will come as an attempt to tickle Islamists. There can not be any alterior motive and there have not been cited any either.
Raghav_12 Posted May 4, 2015 Posted May 4, 2015 Yes I agree provoking the muslims is wrong but resorting to going on a shooting spree is insane. Fully Agree. They were best to be ignored.
Clarke Posted May 4, 2015 Posted May 4, 2015 A cartoon event is as much a provocation for violence as a bikini is for sexual assault.
Malcolm Merlyn Posted May 4, 2015 Posted May 4, 2015 Yes I agree provoking the muslims is wrong but resorting to going on a shooting spree is insane. Live in fear because else they will kill us.
Malcolm Merlyn Posted May 4, 2015 Posted May 4, 2015 It doesn't surprise me that you accuse me of supporting islamist violence considering our respective political leanings and discussions we had. Just because I believe that whole event was highly provocative doesn't mean I support violence. For any person it will come as an attempt to tickle Islamists. There can not be any alterior motive and there have not been cited any either. It has nothing to do with political leanings.You are basically saying live in fear of islamists because they can be violent give up your rights for the fear of death. Nothing done here was violent and the response cant be justified.If islamists cant live by rules of a free society they should limit themselves to Islamic nations.
Raghav_12 Posted May 4, 2015 Posted May 4, 2015 It has nothing to do with political leanings.You are basically saying live in fear of islamists because they can be violent give up your rights for the fear of death. Nothing done here was violent and the response cant be justified.If islamists cant live by rules of a free society they should limit themselves to Islamic nations. Holding an event to draw cartoon just of prophet was no way required or helpful in having a living. The sole purpose of event was to tickle Islamists. As I have stated earlier this tickling anyway can not be held responsible for shooting spree of these gunmen as Islamists have done such things in past even without any kind of tickling as well.
asterix Posted May 4, 2015 Posted May 4, 2015 If M F Hussein had the right to draw naked Hindu Gods, there no harm in these people drawing Prophet's cartoons... :dontknow: For me both are wrong...
Gollum Posted May 4, 2015 Posted May 4, 2015 If M F Hussein had the right to draw naked Hindu Gods, there no harm in these people drawing Prophet's cartoons... :dontknow: For me both are wrong... Try convincing the AAPterds,libtards,Congressis and pseudo secularists in this country. They will condemn those who draw images/cartoons of Prophet Muhammad but will hail M F Hussain for his nude depictions of Goddesss, Ganesh and Parvati in compromising positions etc
jalebi_bhai Posted May 4, 2015 Posted May 4, 2015 So as per progressive logic, provocation justifies murder?
Cricketics Posted May 4, 2015 Posted May 4, 2015 Attacks such as these ruin the reputation of every brown skinned person, no matter what their religion or background. Why you are so concerned and conscious. Just ignore. Only dumbasses generalize. People who matter, are knowledgeable enough to know the difference.
Ranvir Posted May 4, 2015 Author Posted May 4, 2015 Why you are so concerned and conscious. Just ignore. Only dumbasses generalize. People who matter' date=' are knowledgeable enough to know the difference.[/quote'] Yes but it only takes one nutcase who doesn't know the difference to go on a killing spree (like in the gurdwara in USA). Quite a few Sikhs and other Indians were attacked and killed after 9/11, so it matters a lot. I remember when I graduated from University shortly after the July 2005 bombings in London, people were giving me and my family strange looks. Tensions rise due to these kind of incidents and it's always because some Pakistani or Arab decides to blow themselves up or go shooting.
rahulrulezz Posted May 4, 2015 Posted May 4, 2015 Why you are so concerned and conscious. Just ignore. Only dumbasses generalize. People who matter' date=' are knowledgeable enough to know the difference.[/quote'] He does have a point. Average Joe doesn't know the difference between Indians and Pakistanis. Heck can u figure out difference between Koreans, Japenese and people from Hongkong. I was surprised when last week a close member of my team thought I was Muslim all this while. Most Canadians n Americans can't figure that out. UK is a different story though. Let's be honest, all these bombings n killings does spoil the reputation of brown people in general. Though I wish people in NAmerica wud know how Indians are not similar to Pakistanis at all and are in fact quite opposite with their political n religious ideologies
Ranvir Posted May 4, 2015 Author Posted May 4, 2015 It's been confirmed that one of the gunmen was in fact a Pakistani - Nadir Soofi. ****in' great. Well I hope all the Indians in the USA stay safe and don't suffer any revenge attacks.
Tiger80 Posted May 4, 2015 Posted May 4, 2015 Of course killing is wrong and US fiorces rightfully killed both the gunmen. However questions can be raised should such an event have been allowed which whole objective seems just to insult a particular group/religion. I am not defending Islamist violence as they have resorted to violence on far less trvial matters so saying they took up violence because of highly provocative nature of event will not be right. But one has to agree that whole event was highly provocative with sole purpose of insult and shouldn't have been allowed. Read following link on the organizer of this event. She is not allowed to travel to UK. Pamela Geller, the incendiary organizer of Texas ‘prophet Muhammad cartoon contest’ http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/05/04/why-a-woman-named-pamela-geller-organized-a-prophet-muhammad-cartoon-contest/ The more islamist will attack them the more they will draw Mohammed. In their country they have put Jesus in urine so if they don't mock Mohammed christians will call them cowards
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