Muloghonto Posted August 30, 2015 Posted August 30, 2015 If we are in the business of including a seaming allrounder in our test XI, why do we go with Binny over Dhawan ? in 43 FC matches, Rishi has 1858 runs @ 40.39, with 3 centuries and 13 fifties in 56 innings, along with 192 wickets @ 24.72 with 16 five-fers and 2 ten-fers. And he is 25 years old. in 64 FC matches, Binny has 3215 runs @ 34.20 with 8 centuries and 14 fifties in 99 innings, along with 98 wickets @ 31.83 with 3 five-fers and 1 ten-fer. And he is 31 years old. While we can still hope that Rishi is entering his peak, Binny is at his peak. with the bat he has 6 more 50+ scores ( 5 of them being centuries) in 43 innings and with ball, he has 94 less wickets in 21 more matches!
sage Posted August 30, 2015 Posted August 30, 2015 Everyone is better than Bunny. Even the Maharaja of Porbandar
Adi_91 Posted August 30, 2015 Posted August 30, 2015 I am not convinced that Binny is a permanent member of the team. If they wanted someone who can bowl and bat a bit, then Bhuvi is a proven player. Kohli has to give Bhuvi the due respect for his performances last year in England.
Vijy Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 Everyone is better than Bunny. Even the Maharaja of Porbandar Or Maharaja Vizzy.
Texan Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 Those stats are flawed. The most important stat that matters is not even mentioned. Binny has one family member in the selection committee, Dhawan has none. That is all that matters.
tweaker Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 Rishi Dhawan has no flair,x factor,agression.Shastri & co needs this qualities more
vvvslaxman Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 Dhawan is a miltary medium trundler who can bowl wicket to wicket. Don't think we can consider him as a bowling option. Binny is slightly a better bowler as he can swing the ball in helpful conditions. Battingwise both are similar. Bottomline is Dhawan is not the answer.
DarthSimian Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 If we are in the business of including a seaming allrounder in our test XI, why do we go with Binny over Dhawan ? in 43 FC matches, Rishi has 1858 runs @ 40.39, with 3 centuries and 13 fifties in 56 innings, along with 192 wickets @ 24.72 with 16 five-fers and 2 ten-fers. And he is 25 years old. in 64 FC matches, Binny has 3215 runs @ 34.20 with 8 centuries and 14 fifties in 99 innings, along with 98 wickets @ 31.83 with 3 five-fers and 1 ten-fer. And he is 31 years old. While we can still hope that Rishi is entering his peak, Binny is at his peak. with the bat he has 6 more 50+ scores ( 5 of them being centuries) in 43 innings and with ball, he has 94 less wickets in 21 more matches! Rishi Dhawan plays for Himachal Pradesh which usually plays in the Plate League against weaker teams. Stuart Binny plays for Karnataka who play in the Elite league against stronger teams. You cannot just compare the stats and make a decision here.
Muloghonto Posted August 31, 2015 Author Posted August 31, 2015 Dhawan is a miltary medium trundler who can bowl wicket to wicket. Don't think we can consider him as a bowling option. Binny is slightly a better bowler as he can swing the ball in helpful conditions. Battingwise both are similar. Bottomline is Dhawan is not the answer. Sometimes military medium trundler for 5th bowler can work wonders, if this guy can hold a bat. And all indications are that Dhawan should turn out to be a much better batting option than Binny: someone who has the potential to be atleast a passable #6 test bat. Think Steve Waugh in the first 5-6 years of his career. military medium, picked up around 2 wickets/match or so, at mid 30-ish average. Today that average would be 40-45 but even if we can get a pre-'great bat, rarely a bowler' Steve Waugh, aka the 5-6 years of 'tuk-tuk batter who grinds out 30-ish average and bowls militry medium and gets 1.5-2 wickets/match' then we would be doing amazingly well. My point is, Dhawan may not be a better bowler than Binny, but if he is accurate military medium, he can be just as effective to the big picture. Bowling is a team effort too. Sometimes there is a guy bowling a nagging line here and there, a bloke you should be belting, but after 2-3 overs he is playing on your mind, so you don't just instantly refocus when Bernard Julien walks away and Andy Robets comes on and boom, andy has a wicket. If Dhawan can plug one end, he'd be more than plenty.
rkt.india Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 Dhawan is a miltary medium trundler who can bowl wicket to wicket. Don't think we can consider him as a bowling option. Binny is slightly a better bowler as he can swing the ball in helpful conditions. Battingwise both are similar. Bottomline is Dhawan is not the answer. Dhawan is a betetr swing bowler than Binny. Dhawan is like BK, swings and seams the ball both ways, similar pace. Still remember his dismissal of Neil Mckenzie with an inswinger.
horizonspeaks Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 What's their IPL stats comparison? It seems that's the prime factor in getting selected for Indian team in any version of cricket.
adi B Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 Forget fc kirkut,its the ipl which is the benchmark for selection nowadays.can dhawan outshine bunny next season??
rkt.india Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 Forget fc kirkut' date='its the ipl which is the benchmark for selection nowadays.can dhawan outshine bunny next season??[/quote'] Binny doesnt even bowl in IPL much. Neither his batting was great.
gakgupta Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 in an other thread, there is discussion of Shrikant Mundhe as well.....who seems to be better than these 2 options... BUt i would like to go with Binny in one dayers and shrikanth / Rishi for Test matches
Vijy Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 Mundhe has developed quite well, but we'll have to see how he bowls this season.
jusarrived Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 I dont think both are test class , Binny is both a better bowler and a batsmen though. We need to look beyond these tow for test AR slot .
vvvslaxman Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 Dhawan is a betetr swing bowler than Binny. Dhawan is like BK' date=' swings and seams the ball both ways, similar pace. Still remember his dismissal of Neil Mckenzie with an inswinger.[/quote'] Binny swings like his dad who was good in swinging conditions. Dhawna from what i have seen so far is not like that. They are differernt
rkt.india Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 Binny swings like his dad who was good in swinging conditions. Dhawna from what i have seen so far is not like that. They are differernt Binny has classic outswing while Dhawan is like BK, predominantly, an inswing bowler but can take the ball away too.
vvvslaxman Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 Binny has classic outswing while Dhawan is like BK' date=' predominantly, an inswing bowler but can take the ball away too.[/quote'] Dhawan type of bowlng would be useful in one dayers. Outswingers is more potent weapon in Tests. One reason why Sreesanth, Balaji tasted a bit of success in Tests. Binny is not our answer as well. Between the two Dhawan is far from convincing either. I would go for someone new.
Vijy Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 Dhawan type of bowlng would be useful in one dayers. Outswingers is more potent weapon in Tests. One reason why Sreesanth' date=' Balaji tasted a bit of success in Tests. Binny is not our answer as well. Between the two Dhawan is far from convincing either. I would go for someone new.[/quote'] Like whom? Mundhe is an option but he's hardly got great stats himself. Shankar is, at this moment, a batsman who bowls a bit.
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