Whom would you Prefer at 6th position in test A batsman or an all Rounder?

Adi_91 · January 4, 2016

Just saw a short clip on TV of Hardik Pandya bowling in Ranji Trophy.
Good pace, good height, hitting the deck hard with some deliveries, getting outswing with others.
Liked what I saw.

That's good to know. What is his pace like?

rkt.india · January 4, 2016

I think bhuvi has a good technique to be tried out as an allrounder.
he has good technique with the bat..... Can't see him slog though.

No BK is at best a bowler who can bat a bit, cant bat above 8 by any means.

express bowling · January 4, 2016

That's good to know. What is his pace like?

Did not see speedgun readings in that clip. He looked visually quick.

I think rkt.india saw him bowling 135 k to 142 k or thereabouts in a Ranji match.

Adi_91 · January 4, 2016

Did not see speedgun readings in that clip. He looked visually quick.
I think rkt.india saw him bowling 135 k to 142 k or thereabouts in a Ranji match.

Fabulous. :hatsoff:

tweaker · January 4, 2016

I think Hardik is more of batting allrounder. He does not work too much on his bowling. In last Syed Mustaq Ali match he batted at no 3 & scored 50+ score

maniac · January 4, 2016

I personally prefer a batsman..... Playing an allrounder just for the sake of it is never advisable.

lets look at some of the best allrounders in recent times.... Watson and kallis are good enough to play as batsmen for their side and their bowling is an incredible bonus.

even the likes of hafeez beleive it or not opens at international level and before his ban was an effective 5th bowler.

in the past likes of kapil,imran were frontline bowlers for their team and their batting was a bonus.

same can be said for someone like pollock.

so rather than fitting someone just for the sake of it I think we need to stick to our strengths and play our 4 best bowlers.

maniac · January 4, 2016

I want hardik to come good ( no pun intended)

but the question is is he good enough to get into the side on his batting or bowling alone?

allrounders should always be a bonus in test cricket where one talent is an added bonus to their specialist skills.

adi B · January 4, 2016

Anybody not named nohit sharma and Stuart little

adi B · January 4, 2016

Ideally you need a batting all rounder in #6 who can fill in few overs to share the workload of the premier bowlers,a bit like watson,stokes .cant Believe the selectors we can't groom one such players out of so many to occupy that spot which is open since ganguly left

Ankit_sharma03 · January 4, 2016

I personally prefer a batsman..... Playing an allrounder just for the sake of it is never advisable.
lets look at some of the best allrounders in recent times.... Watson and kallis are good enough to play as batsmen for their side and their bowling is an incredible bonus.
even the likes of hafeez beleive it or not opens at international level and before his ban was an effective 5th bowler.
in the past likes of kapil,imran were frontline bowlers for their team and their batting was a bonus.
same can be said for someone like pollock.
so rather than fitting someone just for the sake of it I think we need to stick to our strengths and play our 4 best bowlers.

kallis n watson on their own also cud give 10 over every day wid ease n lets nt forget Sa is lacking that kallis all rounder skill

Even Hafeez wen his bowling was nt banned bowled a lot of bowled n was xtremely tight

N all these bowlers n some days were pretty HAndful

Giving bowling to part timers also brings the risk of leaking runs .

N wen u need to play bowlers like umesh n aaron u cnt give them long spells. So its imp to give them rest .

In India we can play wid 6 batsman as bulk over r bowled by spinner

Thats nt gonna happen in overseas

We dnt have sachin sehwag n ganguly nymore whom we can give overs

N if one of the bowlers have a bad day we r in srs trouble

Eng , NZ , Aus all have tht 5th bowler

N wat do u mean by stick to our strength, If we pick most of the test lost in overseas all had 6 batsman n yet our batting struggled

All Last 3 test won away from india we went wid binny as 5th bowler. Lords, 2 test in Sl.

One more eg. In eng we won in lords

Dhoni drops binny n gets rohit n we loose the 3rd test .

SO hows is 4 bolwers our strength

N as the logic applies again we cnt play 6th batsman jst for the sake of it .

Last 2 test agaisnt sa the contribution of 6th batsman was 21-22 runs in 4 innings m sure any all rounder wud score more than that .

Ultimately test matches r won by 20 wkts , N considering the lack of consistency in our bowling attack n lack of a gud 6 no batsman

All rounder makes more sense , specially if ur 6th no batsman has to only avg in 20s only

Hardik pandya is someone who will improve only

MCcricket · January 4, 2016

We have a decent allrounder in S Mundhe, plays for Maharashtra, bats decently, n has some skills bowling wise, has won games with bat n ball, also can move the ball well at around 130 S , has a good action

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Shrikant Mundhe

India

Full name Shrikant Shrihari Mundhe

Born October 27, 1988, Nanded

Current age 27 years 69 days

Major teams India Red, Maharashtra, Pune Warriors

Playing role Allrounder

Batting style Right-hand bat

Bowling style Right-arm medium

Batting and fielding averages

	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	4s	6s	Ct
First-class	48	62	8	1481	104	27.42	2890	51.24	2	6	167	19	20
List A	29	25	7	406	72*	22.55	529	76.74	0	2	31	8	7
Twenty20	23	18	4	147	42	10.50	127	115.74	0	0	10	4	9

Bowling averages

	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	4w	5w
First-class	48	81	8808	4436	146	6/38	8/144	30.38	3.02	60.3	8	4
List A	29	29	1353	1272	43	5/18	5/18	29.58	5.64	31.4	3	1
Twenty20	23	23	438	588	25	3/22	3/22	23.52	8.05	17.5	0	0

Career statistics

First-class debut	Tamil Nadu v Maharashtra at Chennai, Nov 3-6, 2007 scorecard
Last First-class	Maharashtra v Karnataka at Pune, Dec 1-4, 2015 scorecard
List A debut	Gujarat v Maharashtra at Mumbai (BS), Feb 10, 2007 scorecard
Last List A	Maharashtra v Vidarbha at Delhi, Dec 18, 2015 scorecard
Twenty20 debut	Gujarat v Maharashtra at Mumbai, Apr 3, 2007 scorecard
Last Twenty20	Odisha v Maharashtra at Cuttack, Jan 4, 2016 scorecard

Recent matches

Bat & Bowl	Team	Opposition	Ground	Match Date	Scorecard
0/39, 3*	Maharashtra	v Odisha	Cuttack	4 Jan 2016	T20
11, 2/19	Maharashtra	v Services	Cuttack	3 Jan 2016	T20
3, 0/29	Maharashtra	v U. Pradesh	Cuttack	2 Jan 2016	T20
6, 1/38	Maharashtra	v Vidarbha	Delhi	18 Dec 2015	LA
17, 0/18	Maharashtra	v Delhi	Delhi	17 Dec 2015	LA
0, 0/42	Maharashtra	v Baroda	Delhi	15 Dec 2015	LA
1, 1/39	Maharashtra	v Andhra	Delhi	14 Dec 2015	LA
50, 4/35	Maharashtra	v Odisha	Delhi	11 Dec 2015	LA
1, 3/54, 81, 1/54	Maharashtra	v Karnataka	Pune	1 Dec 2015	FC
4/67, 16, 2/33	Maharashtra	v Assam	Pune	23 Nov 2015	FC

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Edited January 4, 2016 by MCcricket

maniac · January 4, 2016

kallis n watson on their own also cud give 10 over every day wid ease n lets nt forget Sa is lacking that kallis all rounder skill
Even Hafeez wen his bowling was nt banned bowled a lot of bowled n was xtremely tight
N all these bowlers n some days were pretty HAndful

Giving bowling to part timers also brings the risk of leaking runs .
N wen u need to play bowlers like umesh n aaron u cnt give them long spells. So its imp to give them rest .
In India we can play wid 6 batsman as bulk over r bowled by spinner
Thats nt gonna happen in overseas
We dnt have sachin sehwag n ganguly nymore whom we can give overs
N if one of the bowlers have a bad day we r in srs trouble
Eng , NZ , Aus all have tht 5th bowler

N wat do u mean by stick to our strength, If we pick most of the test lost in overseas all had 6 batsman n yet our batting struggled
All Last 3 test won away from india we went wid binny as 5th bowler. Lords, 2 test in Sl.
One more eg. In eng we won in lords
Dhoni drops binny n gets rohit n we loose the 3rd test .
SO hows is 4 bolwers our strength

N as the logic applies again we cnt play 6th batsman jst for the sake of it .
Last 2 test agaisnt sa the contribution of 6th batsman was 21-22 runs in 4 innings m sure any all rounder wud score more than that .

Ultimately test matches r won by 20 wkts , N considering the lack of consistency in our bowling attack n lack of a gud 6 no batsman
All rounder makes more sense , specially if ur 6th no batsman has to only avg in 20s only
Hardik pandya is someone who will improve only

you picked 2 test matches and conveniently ignored that our golden phase in cricket coincided with the 6-1-4 combo???

yeah just like it was a luxury that sachin sehwag were more than competent parttimers.....similarly Watson or kallis were in the team for their batting..... Yeah they might have gotten a few extra games than the average batsman if they were consistently failing with the bat because of their bowling ability but at the end of the day they were in the team as batsmen.

same case for pollock the bowler

even someone like sobers I don't think was picked for his bowling

too bad that none of our top order can bowl bar rohit who I think is a pretty good off spinner and no I won't make this about him.....if he is in the red zone than I am sure there are plenty of contenders out there who can roll their arm over.

you can't play the likes of binny and jadeja just to fill that all rounder spot. I think jadeja merits his place as a bowler alone in sc but batting him at no 6 is a disaster.

now as far as Pandya goes is he good enough as a bowler or as plainly as a batsman I don't know .....I was impressed with him in ipl and that makes him a good loi prospect and not a test prospect yet.

test match is for specialists.....every great allrounder made it on the basis of one primary skill he was really good at.

likes of afridi etc have pretty good odi or t20 performances but u don't play them in tests.

jayasuriya was a brilliant loi allrounder per his stats but he played in tests primarily as a batsman who can roll his arm over and not for his bowling abilities.

once again test match is for specialists and if you are awesome in one skill set and really great in the other that makes you indispensable but those kind are very rare breed.

Edited January 4, 2016 by maniac

Ankit_sharma03 · January 5, 2016

xactly , in golden phase we had 6 top class batsman

Right now our 6th batsman have failed miserably, we dnt have some like hussey or laxman waiting in wings

N if u rem in the golden phase we had anil kumble who us eto bowl marathon spells

I dnt ashwin having same fitness to bowl so many overs a day

N Even in our golden phase we mostly use to 1-2 matches abroad in series

N we never had an out n out fast bowler , which we have now . To bowl them properly it imp to give them Rest also

N in tht 10 over if i have to bowl dhawan , vijay, kohli b rest assured the game cud slip in those 10 over specially the kind of short range we have with batsman these days

Yes we cnt go with binny jadeja, But we have to try few options

But it wud b unfair to nt recognize their contributions.

Binny did save u a test match in eng, Jadeja 60 in lords did change the game.

Binny did bowl a lot of over in sl, didnt give runs n tooks wkts

Now, talking about Pandya. Well He has potential . He can score quick runs, Can bowl around 140 . So there is ability to invest in.

5 bowlers is the need of the hour n specially with flat decks all around the world

U can score 600 runs yet if dnt take 20 wkts u cnt win, n i wud prefer 20 wkts over 600 runs any day .

I wud love to have specialist but we dnt have it,

But we need an all rounder who can score some runs give us some over

N if our 6th batsman is Avg 22 in last 14 test i doubt wat worst can a all rounder do than that

philcric · January 5, 2016

N if our 6th batsman is Avg 22 in last 14 test i doubt wat worst can a all rounder do than that

But that 6th batsman had an IPL hat trick some 6 years ago (fyi he has 2 wkts in 16 tests @98) and won 'the' cycle agarbathi award in some nondescript ODI series against the mighty West Indies. So, obviously he deserves another 7 tests to become Bradman reincarnate. And naturally, that would be Bradman's honour.

Edited January 5, 2016 by philcric

maniac · January 5, 2016

But that 6th batsman had an IPL hat trick some 6 years ago (fyi he has 2 wkts in 16 tests @98) and won 'the' cycle agarbathi award in some nondescript ODI series against the mighty West Indies. So, obviously he deserves another 7 tests to become Bradman reincarnate. And naturally, that would be Bradman's honour.

you know what happened after that disastrous series in Lanka when impatient fans wanted his head right?

brief history lesson- pushed to the opening spot and voila a star was born..... The guy averages 50 since then and has been manhandling all attacks in the loi format.

didnt I already mention he was in the red zone.... But based on prior evidence one last hurrah needs to be given and yes I don't think he got a consistent run in tests.... Too much chopping and changing.

in tests he has been under bowled .

anyways this topic is not about rohit.... All I am saying is 6 batsman theory is a must in test cricket.... 5 bowler theory works only if the 5th bowler is as good as a Watson or a kallis,otherwise 4.5 bowlers is the way to go with a capable parttimer.

i think only rohit and raina qualify so far....not too sure about gurkeerats test capabilities....hope we get a good player to take the no 6 batting slot.

as much as I have disdain for Dhoni, saha or ojha are not even closely in the same league which means essentially you have 5 batters whichc is a recipe for disaster.

Ankit_sharma03 · January 5, 2016

But that 6th batsman had an IPL hat trick some 6 years ago (fyi he has 2 wkts in 16 tests @98) and won 'the' cycle agarbathi award in some nondescript ODI series against the mighty West Indies. So, obviously he deserves another 7 tests to become Bradman reincarnate. And naturally, that would be Bradman's honour.

Hahahahahaha.........

Well said well said.........

Gr8 jibe

U also knw i also Knw ..........

He wnt b bradman, Ban na hota ban gya hota ab takk

His career actualy reminds me of Carl hooper n Shane watson

Perfomed on few occasions, Never did justice to their so called talent, but yes got chances for them

They will deilver on some odd occasions against midyorker attacks or belter pitches

N ppl stand n say wow, look at them play they look marvellous. Well they looked classy on day 1 didnt they but where is the improvement .

But did they deilver wen conditions n opposition were tough n wen team needed them really.

The diff is Hooper n watson helped their bowling attacks N Our Maggi-Man cnt do tht

But to his luck....he is gonna play most of his matches in Odi in India n since most teams r going throuhg transition expect attacks to become extremly week

N avg to go higher n Those avg wud blind most ppl.

As i said in other forum, U shud nt see the avg but the reality Behind the Avg.

His tets career is same scored ample against a brainless bowling attack n Since then has got so many chances.

N also how many test has it cost us.

Now the ques is do we wanna sacrifice more Test for The sake of Investment ?

maniac · January 5, 2016

Hahahahahaha.........

Well said well said.........
Gr8 jibe

U also knw i also Knw ..........
He wnt b bradman, Ban na hota ban gya hota ab takk
His career actualy reminds me of Carl hooper n Shane watson
Perfomed on few occasions, Never did justice to their so called talent, but yes got chances for them
They will deilver on some odd occasions against midyorker attacks or belter pitches
N ppl stand n say wow, look at them play they look marvellous. Well they looked classy on day 1 didnt they but where is the improvement .
But did they deilver wen conditions n opposition were tough n wen team needed them really.

The diff is Hooper n watson helped their bowling attacks N Our Maggi-Man cnt do tht
But to his luck....he is gonna play most of his matches in Odi in India n since most teams r going throuhg transition expect attacks to become extremly week
N avg to go higher n Those avg wud blind most ppl.

As i said in other forum, U shud nt see the avg but the reality Behind the Avg.
His tets career is same scored ample against a brainless bowling attack n Since then has got so many chances.
N also how many test has it cost us.

Now the ques is do we wanna sacrifice more Test for The sake of Investment ?

Luck???? Really???

people are going gaga about a kid who scored 1000 runs in a school game against a school attack which regardless is a commendable feat and then you have a guy who scored 264..... Let me spell it out two hundred and sixty four in an international game against 2 time back to back wc finalists and reigning t20 champions and that feat is not impressive enough for you :hysterical:

ps:he did it twice and the 2nd time or rather the first time against the reigning odi champs hitting a record breaking 16 16s in the process.

you must have some high standards......you are even more picky than sanga's dad who thought his son had a mediocre career lol.

I hate repeating myself but that is fine as long as it is educating someone I can repeat myself a million times.

dont blame me for derailing the topic as I think I tried to articulate already why I feel the 6-1-4 combo works.

i also said any competent batsman who can roll his arm over....never have I suggested rohit's name as that is a blasphemy these days no matter how much logic you bring in.

so suggest alternatives of guys right now who are good batting allrounders as we have the likes of ashwin and jadeja who are decent bowling allrounders.

cant play someone in tests (odis and t20s is fine) based on the assumption that he is good in all areas of the game.

pick people who have topped batting charts or pick people who have enough credentials and the guy with the bonus of having abity with the ball should be considered that is my opinion.

Edited January 5, 2016 by maniac

maniac · January 5, 2016

Can we consider klpd Rahul as our wicketkeeper....that will be a huge bonus

Ankit_sharma03 · January 8, 2016

Luck???? Really???
people are going gaga about a kid who scored 1000 runs in a school game against a school attack which regardless is a commendable feat and then you have a guy who scored 264..... Let me spell it out two hundred and sixty four in an international game against 2 time back to back wc finalists and reigning t20 champions and that feat is not impressive enough for you
ps:he did it twice and the 2nd time or rather the first time against the reigning odi champs hitting a record breaking 16 16s in the process.
you must have some high standards......you are even more picky than sanga's dad who thought his son had a mediocre career lol.
I hate repeating myself but that is fine as long as it is educating someone I can repeat myself a million times.
dont blame me for derailing the topic as I think I tried to articulate already why I feel the 6-1-4 combo works.
i also said any competent batsman who can roll his arm over....never have I suggested rohit's name as that is a blasphemy these days no matter how much logic you bring in.
so suggest alternatives of guys right now who are good batting allrounders as we have the likes of ashwin and jadeja who are decent bowling allrounders.
cant play someone in tests (odis and t20s is fine) based on the assumption that he is good in all areas of the game.
pick people who have topped batting charts or pick people who have enough credentials and the guy with the bonus of having abity with the ball should be considered that is my opinion.

gakgupta · January 9, 2016

Luck???? Really???
people are going gaga about a kid who scored 1000 runs in a school game against a school attack which regardless is a commendable feat and then you have a guy who scored 264..... Let me spell it out two hundred and sixty four in an international game against 2 time back to back wc finalists and reigning t20 champions and that feat is not impressive enough for you
ps:he did it twice and the 2nd time or rather the first time against the reigning odi champs hitting a record breaking 16 16s in the process.
you must have some high standards......you are even more picky than sanga's dad who thought his son had a mediocre career lol.
I hate repeating myself but that is fine as long as it is educating someone I can repeat myself a million times.
dont blame me for derailing the topic as I think I tried to articulate already why I feel the 6-1-4 combo works.
i also said any competent batsman who can roll his arm over....never have I suggested rohit's name as that is a blasphemy these days no matter how much logic you bring in.
so suggest alternatives of guys right now who are good batting allrounders as we have the likes of ashwin and jadeja who are decent bowling allrounders.
cant play someone in tests (odis and t20s is fine) based on the assumption that he is good in all areas of the game.
pick people who have topped batting charts or pick people who have enough credentials and the guy with the bonus of having abity with the ball should be considered that is my opinion.

Looks like u r a die-hard fan of rohit sharma....

Infact i really like the way he plays....but his batting is only suited for one day matches....

Anyone who has little bit of knowledge can easily tell that he has to do lot of work on his batting to make it efficient for test matches....

And my worry is....he might loose his one day form if you are trying to make him good for test matches....

Two main things which you need as a test batsmen are

1) you should know where your off-stump is..................This faculty will help you leave deliveries efficiently
2) patience --- Rohit doesn't has patience which is evident from the way he has thrown his wicket away so many times..

There are other batsmen who has shown above attributes ......let them get the chance...

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